This was about 110% dead on. They do pretty much everything that they were called for doing in the last 2 minutes.
What an awesome episode.
-Steve (who has an awesome mormon friend of many years).
I know alot about mormonism... and... and...
Nov 20, 2003, 3:53 AM ET37 posts by 19 posters
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:53:11 GMT, "Steven C. \(Doktersteve\)" wrote:
Yeah, I really liked the ending, because it does give people comfort, even otherwise bright people who do realize that it seems really, really dumb.
I wonder which one of them read 'Under A Banner of Heaven: A Story of a Violent Faith' by Jon Krakauer recently. It could be that they're both telling the same story, but some of the similarities in how they present the birth of Mormonism seem exactly the same.
Jeremiah--who used to drink with a bunch of Mormons
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:12:02 -0500, Jeremiah Kristal wrote:
Read "I Bought my First Six-Pack When I was 35". It may be hard to find, but will really open your eyes about Mormons in an entertaining, but sad way.
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:32:53 -0500, Steve Silberberg wrote:
I grew up in southern Idaho, in counties that ranged from 25-50% Mormon. There's probably not much in that book that I haven't experienced firsthand, but if I see it, I'll give it a read.
Jeremiah
Jeremiah Kristal wrote:
Really, you talked with Jesus here in the US? Cool!
Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight? ;)
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 04:05:29 GMT, Gus wrote:
Yeah, and he told me it's OK to talk about it. I soon found out that talking about acid trips tends to make people look at you oddly.
Nah, but then again, I'm not a secretive millionaire with a fondness for latex, masks, and capes.
Jeremiah
"Steven C. (Doktersteve)" wrote in message news:Xh%ub.441672$9l5.240050@pd7tw2no...
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It was a sweet episode.
"Steven C. (Doktersteve)" wrote in message news:Xh%ub.441672$9l5.240050@pd7tw2no...
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I've always enjoyed South Park. Being a comedy, I've never taken it seriously enough to say this, but that was an awesome episode. I was particularly struck by the ending with Gary's speech. When Stan chewed out Gary's family, I thought that was going to be the lesson of the day, and Stan has imparted more than one of them. Remember the way that he dealt with John Edwards (biggest douche in the universe!)? But Gary is the one who had the last word. Stan was a jerk to a bunch of people who just wanted to be nice to him. I hope that we see more of Gary and his family. In a way, the ending was a little sad too.
On or about Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:36:00 GMT, Patrick D. Rockwell made the sensational claim that:
Gimme a break. It was guilt tripping to gain a convert. That's why they're so nice.
"LooseChanj" wrote in message news:ozbvb.16472$[email]...
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I don't know if Mormons commonly guilt-trip potential converts or not, but there was no guilt-tripping in that episode of South Park; they were just nice.
"That Guy" wrote in message news:[email]...
That's right. I agree. I thought that they were nice people. Not to back away from my original post, but in all fairness to Stan, he really was in a difficult situation. His father really is an idiot, and Stan didn't want to be a Mormon, just because his father was a moron. Though he probably could have found a better way to solve that. Maybe talking to his father directly, as he did when his father was treating the grandfather like a child over the driving arrest.
On or about Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:05:02 -0600, That Guy made the sensational claim that:
The "niceness" was definately a proslytizing technique. "Aw shucks, they're so gosh darned nice, no way I can tell them to keep that religion stuff outta my face, that'd just be rude."
"LooseChanj" wrote in message news:OfCvb.23435$[email]...
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Sorry, but I disagree. If, and only if, they are *only* nice to potential converts, then it is a "proselytizing technique". However, this ep showed them being nice to each other when no potential converts were around. The way that family was portrayed in this ep did not show them using niceness as a proselytizing technique.
And if you think "Aw shucks, they're so gosh darned nice, no way I can tell them to keep that religion stuff outta my face, that'd just be rude" That's YOUR problem, not something they imposed on you by being nice.
I enjoyed it a lot too. While lampooning some rather dubious beliefs in LDS history that are very difficult at best, to believe, it also stated that picking and choosing friends, even if their religion is wierd, is not very good either.
Ron Pilot/Wildland Firefighter
In article , "Patrick D. Rockwell" wrote:
The ending brought it back to their normal theme of tolerance.
Why just tolerance? Acceptance is a bigger step forward (certainly better to aim high) . . .
- Vaughner
- "Well, thanks to the internet, I'm bored with sex."
- Philip J. Fry, "Futurama"
"Patrick D. Rockwell" wrote in message news:4tavb.31510$[email]...
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Actually, moromons do that. They will claim that you are persecuting them when you point out why their religion is clearly not correct in the eyes of God, and then tell you you ought to be ashamed.
"Steven C. (Doktersteve)" wrote in message news:0Zjvb.449160$9l5.338928@pd7tw2no...
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Do they also tell you to suck their balls?
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Yeah, many will. But Gary's family didn't. Gary even acknowledged the possibility that Joe Smith made it all up.
- Juan F. Lara
"Juan F. Lara" wrote in message news:bpliln$ogg$[email]...
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Yeah, that was an awesome ending.
It's funny. There were a couple of times during the show when I thought "They've got to be making this up". The reading the plates out of a hat thing seemed as far-fetched to me as the giant spider in the Vatican.
I showed this episode to one of my friends who is married to a Mormon woman..After he saw it, he said "It hit wayyy to close to home".....meaning it was dead on in its portrayal of Mormon behavior and beliefs.
Ron Pilot/Wildland Firefighter
In article , [email] (Ron) wrote:
Are you surprised?? Colorado IS rather close to Utah, after all. I expect they've known a few.
Not really..I was just glad someone got it right. The mormons have not been happy with him anyways since Orgazmo "Jesus and I love you"..
Ron Pilot/Wildland Firefighter
"Howard Shubs" wrote in message news:[email]...
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I remember reading in an interview that Trey's first three girlfriends were Mormons.
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:17:01 GMT, "Lode Up" wrote:
Jesus, what are the odds? No wonder he knows so much about mormonism. It wouldn't surprise me if at least one of his former hoes encouraged him to take the missionary discussions.
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Actually, my seminary teacher taught that to me and the rest of my early-morning seminary class just a few years ago. I didn't picture it being a magician's hat like South Park showed, but... here is the official quote:
"Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man."
As I stated in another post, I was very shocked that they knew so many details. Spooky. They must have a Mormon on part of their writing crew or something, right?
I hope Gary becomes a recurring character.
Sprgtime (Mormon chick)
Sprgtime wrote:
Right, it is a well known fact that the SP writing staff is composed of Mormons, nuns, Jerry Fallwell, a few Taliban, seven old English spinsters and George W. Bush (post-cocaine) and his mother.
Worst character ever.
"Charles & Mambo" wrote in message
What other kid got out of being beaten up by the boys when they had their minds set?
Sprgtime wrote:
I rest my case.
In article , Charles & Mambo wrote:
Really? I thought Towlie was the official "worst character ever".
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So do I. It would be nice if he and Stan could patch up their friendship. :-)
Patrick D. Rockwell wrote:
I think Gary's gay, though.
Patrick D. Rockwell wrote:
Uh-huh. And maybe Cartman will lose weight and become the nicest kid in town. Gary was a "topic" character like Big Gay Al or Nurse Gollum. Maybe he'll pop up in the background or whenever a Mormon joke is required from time to time, but a fixed member of the cast? I doubt it.
Uli
"Ulrich Schreitmueller" wrote in message news:bpsjr8$nv5$[email]...
True, but it would be nice if we saw him as often as we see butters. I mean, is Butters a fixed member of the cast? I think of the four kids, their parents, and the teachers who were there at the beginning as the fixed members.
Oh and let's not forget Officer Barbrady, Ned, and Ned's friend (I forget his name, but he's a hunter).
"Patrick D. Rockwell" wrote in message news:DZYwb.33994$[email]...
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YES! He replaced Kenny for a while and he even had his own episode. Butters is in pretty much every episode now, i.e. a fixed member of the cast.
I think Stan, Kyle, Cartman, Kenny, are the MAIN characters but the "fixed" characters are just about everybody else like Butters, Chef, Tim-may, Mr. Garrison, Stan and Kyle's parents, Cartman's mom, folks we see at least once every other episode.
That'd be Stan's Uncle Jimbo.