Article on Xmas ep and Warner's commentary fear

S06E17 Red Sleigh DownliveDec 11, 2002, 10:11 PM ET12 minutes after the credits10 posts by 8 posters
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Cybersonic81

You can bash gays, christians, and jews....but for God's sake don't bash a Jodie Foster movie! :)

by Rick Porter Zap2it, TV News LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Christmas is what got "South Park" started.

Creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone launched the series based on the "Jesus vs. Santa" short they created, and since then, wild Christmas episodes became something of a custom on the show. Parker and Stone decided to take a break last year, however.

"It got to be so hard to do [a Christmas show] because it would have to be up to a high, high standard of this holiday tradition," Stone says. "So last year, we kind of avoided it."

This year, though, Parker and Stone decided to re-establish that tradition. The result, "Red Sleigh Down," airs at 10 p.m. ET Wednesday (Dec. 11) on Comedy Central. The episode brings together what Stone jokingly calls "the biggest icons of Christmas in the world" -- Santa Claus, Jesus and Mr. Hankey, the Christmas poo.

As Christmas nears, Cartman realizes that the "naughty" side of his ledger is pretty full, meaning Santa won't bring him any presents. He decides to balance his bad deeds out by making gifts for children in Iraq, which he then convinces Santa to deliver.

The episode plays on the yuletide-TV staple of solving problems by spreading the "Christmas spirit," Stone says. "Because in a Christmas special, people have to lose their Christmas spirit."

"The basic idea was that Santa decides he needs to take the Christmas spirit to Iraq, and that will take care of everything," he says. "Of course, they shoot him down and torture him."

Mr. Hankey and Jesus then team up on a daring mission to free Santa. Jesus has some particularly Rambo-esque moments.

The fact that most Iraqi children, being Muslims, don't celebrate Christmas didn't really enter into the show, Stone says. "It was just [the idea] of, We all have to have the Christmas spirit, whether you're an atheist, a Jew, a Muslim, whatever. ... They're completely unapologetic about it."

A few years ago, such an episode of "South Park" likely would have provoked a hail of condemnation from cultural critics. Stone says he and the rest of the show's staff are fairly happy those days are gone, although "it kind of sucks we can't piss anyone off anymore."

"You can only do that when you're a fad, and we're not a fad anymore," he says. "When I was in high school, Bart Simpson was seen as a bad influence on kids ... then it was 'Beavis and Butt-head,' and then it was 'South Park.' It's just a progression. ... The fact that we're not [a lightning rod] anymore and we're still around means we weren't just a fad."

Not that Parker and Stone don't occasionally stir things up. They asked that their audio commentary set be taken off the first-season DVD set of the show after lawyers for distributor Warner Bros. asked them to cut some things.

"The things they didn't like were, we went off and commented on the movie 'Contact' ... I just think it's one of the worst movies ever made. We just ripped on it, like you would with anyone else, and we ripped on the Olsen twins -- it wasn't even good stuff. It was just regular stuff."

Warner Bros., which released "Contact," was afraid of offending the movie's star, Jodie Foster, even going so far as to call her production company for approval of Parker's and Stone's comments. It was then that they asked to have the commentary removed. They're offering it for free on audio CDs for people who buy the DVD set.

"There are plenty of other things we've done or might do in the future where it wouldn't matter, but 'South Park' is about not giving in on that kind of stuff."

"Just to be two guys from Colorado and even have a voice on the air to rip on 'Contact' was such an awesome feeling that now to muzzle ourselves was becoming everything we used to hate, and still hate. We just don't want to hate ourselves yet."

PrattskiCybersonic81

"Cybersonic81" wrote in message news:[email]...

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Contact? C....Contact?? THAT'S what Warner Brothers was worried about?? Negative comments made about a horrid movie was what stopped the commentary? How asinine.....all they had to do was post a disclaimer screen on the disc (which most discs with commentary have) as a way to cover their asses and that would have been fine. They could show that exact screen to Ms. Starling if she got her panties in a twist and say, "It's not us, it's them." Careless as well as a terrible marketing decision on Warner's part.

Howard ShubsPrattski

In article , "Prattski" wrote:

Wow, there sure are a lot of Mr. Garrison-alikes here!

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Erich O.Howard Shubs

"Howard S Shubs" wrote in message news:[email]...

about??

commentary?

:-\

I liked Contact.

I enjoyed the book by Carl Sagan more, but the movie was amazing in its own way.

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LooseChanjErich O.

On or about Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:52:24 -0500, Erich O. made the sensational claim that:

Ugh, I've seen it from the first "launch" attempt on, and thought it stunk on ice. Why build the "machine" on the site of the shuttle launch pads? I mean, being that there isn't really any constraint on *where* you build it, I would think you'd want to build it somewhere fairly remote. Second, I thought it was pretty cheesy how the 18 hours hours of static just happened to come to light after a lengthy investigation, as the only proof she'd been anywhere. Speaking of which, why the hell didn't they think of sending *another* person? (There may be a good reason for this, like I said I didn't see the first ~1/2.) And her dialogue with the alien didn't make a whole lot of sense either. OoOoOoO, they were listening. I'm...so...underwhelmed. My version of that movie woulda had Agent Starling spend two hours just trying to convince someone there even was an intelligible message sent back, as well as trying to decode it. And, at the very end, she realizes it's a recipe for cheesecake.

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SkippyErich O.

In article , "Erich O." wrote:

Bah, Contact (the book) had exactly ONE original idea - that of a message from God being embedded in Pi. Since this is one more original idea than most SciFi books, the book has at least some redeeming value.

But the movie went and left that part out. Unforgivable.

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PrattskiHoward Shubs

"Howard S Shubs" wrote in message news:[email]...

about??

commentary?

Uh...........what?
Willie WestwoodCybersonic81

Heh, you have to wonder why they released the DVDs at all, seeing as how the commentary on "Contact" can be found in the episode "Tom's Rhinoplasty" itself, coming from Mr. Garrison's mouth. :D

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Lloyd FloydWillie Westwood

"Willie Westwood" wrote in message news:ZsXJ9.875$[email]...

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So if Mr. Garrison had recorded the commentary track, it would've been okay.

Willie WestwoodLloyd Floyd

"Lloyd Floyd" wrote in message news:atgbgu$v20$[email]...

okay.

Um, no, probably not. I suppose making fun of the movie is no problem, but as was mentioned before, making fun of one of its stars could get you into trouble. But did Matt and Trey wait to hear that Jodie Foster didn't approve of their commentary before they decided to remove it from the DVDs, or did they remove the commentary upon learning that WB would have to ask Foster for her permission? I dunno. I'd have waited for her to refuse permission.

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