WOW! Simpsons parody of South Park actually kicked ass!

Apr 23, 2007, 2:58 PM ET24 posts by 8 postersalt.tv.southpark
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That Guyalt.tv.southpark

I posted this to alt.tv.simpsons but it is just as relevant here:

This episode is the best in ten years, if not the best ever. In order to appreciate the humor in it, you need to understand a few things about World of Warcraft and also to have seen the South Park episodes in which South Park parodied The Simpsons and World of Warcraft.

Let's start with a brief overview of the South Park episode which was titled (I think) "The Simpsons Already Did It."

In that SP episode, a character is earnestly trying to become a world-class super-villain. He hatches a plot to build a shield to block the sunlight from reaching South Park. When he explains this idea to his sidekick, the sidekick agrees that it will be cool, just like the time it happened on "The Simpsons" (which is true.)

Our would-be super-villain is visibly deflated over the fact that his idea isn't original, so he abandons that idea and after considerable cogitation, thinks up another nefarious plot to wreak vengeance on the residents of South Park (SP). He excitedly explains the plot to his sidekick and once again is crushed to find out that his idea had already been implemented on "The Simpsons." This repeats dozens of times until he just gives up.

There's a reasonably good chance that the plot of that SP episode was inspired by the real-life frustrations of the SP writers, because "The Simpsons" has used up a lot of good gags which otherwise might have been thought up and used by Matt and Trey (the creators and writers of SP.)

Later, South Park did an episode parodying World of Warcraft, which I will refer to as WoW. That SP episode was terrific, and I beg you to understand that the following is not a criticism of the episode but an explanation of something I'll get to later.

There were two major differences in the SP parody of WoW and the game itself. First, when the characters in SP were being shown playing the game, they were talking with each other--not an ability the game has in itself but something you can rig up--but when they spoke, their characters' mouths moved and they gesticulated exactly as though they were carrying on a conversation in real life. This can't happen in WoW. Your character will gesticulate with certain commands, but doesn't have any way to react to any voice communication whatsoever.

Second, the plot of the episode was that a single character had gotten so powerful, he was able to kill all the other characters in the game, making all the other players miserable because as soon as they started having fun the powerful one would kill their character. This is impossible, the game is set up so that can't happen. The highest you can get is level 60 (or level 70 with the expansion pack) and there are plenty of other level 70 players around who are as powerful as you. At that point if you battle another character, the contest is determined by player skill, including strategy and reflexes, and to a slight degree by luck (some classes of characters have advantages over others, though the game manufacturer tries to keep them as balanced as possible.) So the whole plot of the parodical episode of SP was based on a blatantly false premise. (If you are a low-level player, high-level players can kill you if they are the opposite faction, but only in certain areas--and there's no reason for low-level players to venture into those areas.)

Once again, I am NOT pointing these things out as flaws in the SP episode, I consider them "artistic license" in order to make the episode more interesting. But they were, in the strictest possible sense, inaccuracies, since South Park chose World of Warcraft *by name* rather than using a parodical name.

Now, this brings us to "Marge Gamer."

Though the game parodied in "The Simpsons" was referred to as Earthland Realms and had similarities to many online role-playing games, it had a number of elements unique enough to WoW to leave no doubt as to the target of the parody.

As soon as the game starts (after the introductory sequence and tutorial) we see characters speaking aloud and gesticulating in coordination, exactly as South Park showed it. At first, I assumed this was either sloppiness on the part of the writers, or that they were copying what they had seen on the SP episode out of sheer laziness and lack of originality but later I realized differently. It turned out that the plot of the Earthland Realms story was essentially identical to the plot of the South Park episode: one player ruins the game for all the other players because he's so powerful none can stand against him.

DING!

The light switched on, the slider made it to the top of the pole and struck the bell. This Simpsons episode was not only parodying WoW, it was also parodying SP by point out that SP can take ideas that The Simpsons writers could have used--by using the same idea, *in *the *exact *same *way! This blatant rip-off of that SP episode (right down to the inaccuracies) was IMO a brilliant way to parody not only the Simpsons parody of South Park but the WoW episode at the same time.

Moreover, "The Simpsons" made this just a part of a larger plot--it turned out one of the players getting harassed was played by Marge, and the ultra-high level bully turned out to be Bart. It worked out that Bart and Marge shared a mother-son bonding experience that had a small amount of actual human drama to it, which I saw as a way in which Simpsons writers thumbed their noses at SP--by demonstrating that their show isn't just gags and parody but is more because it has another whole dimension that SP lacks. I'm not saying I agree with this judgment, just that it seemed like a point that the writers were trying to make.

Bravo, Simpsons writers! I'd like to see Matt and Trey top that!

As a South Park fan, I will add that I have no doubt that Matt and Trey *can* top that--if they decide they want to. Though "The Simpsons" was a fantastic, groundbreaking show in its early years, it suffers from the very malady described by Matt and Trey--namely, "The Simpsons Already Did It" because they've broken about as much ground as possible without straying too far from their family-friendly format, whereas new animated sitcoms which make no (or less) pretense at being a "G-rated" show still have a lot of unexplored territory. In addition, the show has never been the same since the first crew of writers moved on. It's had good times and bad but in the opinion of myself and many other Simpsons fans, that original spark is long gone. Except in the case of "Marge Gamer," of course.

"Captain Infinity" wrote in message news:[email]...

I've seen quite a few SP episodes which IMO would beat any Simpsons episode as far as humor goes, but I've never seen anything in SP as clever as that skillfully-executed side-jab titled "Marge Gamer." A couple SP episodes have come close, but none have achieved that degree of finesse. However, as I said I have confidence that Matt and Trey even beat "Marge Gamer" at its own, er, game, so to speak. If they want to, that is.

Once Upon A Time That Guy wrote:

The point was that the Simpsons writers have run out of ideas and now need to copy South Park? What's next, Bart gets a new neighbor who lives in a pineapple and looks like a sponge?

** Captain Infinity

"Captain Infinity" wrote in message news:[email]...

Are you completely clueless, or did you just not read my post nor watch the Simpsons episode to which I refer? If you'd seen the episode, it would have been obvious that they copied the SP episode on purpose to make fun of it. And they pulled it off.

Of course, I'm sure the die-hard SP fans will deny that this was their reason for doing it--which of course will add tremendously to the humor of it!

Once Upon A Time That Guy wrote:

South Park already did it, Simpsons copied it. Why would M&T need to "beat" a copycat?

** Captain Infinity

"Captain Infinity" wrote in message news:[email]...

"Marge Gamer" was a parody of two episodes of South Park.

If South Park parodies a movie, you don't jump online and say "The producers of that movie already did it, Matt and Trey copied it, so it's just a copycat" because you'd be missing the point. The movie producers provided the original, M&T provided the parody of it. SP's attempted parody of TS (The Simpsons) frankly sucked monkey ass, though the episode itself was very good. Butters as a would-be super-villain was priceless.

I've followed your posts for a while and can see you're far too intelligent to fail to see something like that without making a concerted effort to do so. Apparently you are such a fan of SP that you wish to ignore the obvious parody and act like some idiot who doesn't understand it. That's cool, I can see where you're coming from. I love SP too, in fact a lot more than TS, but I'm not so in love with the show that I lose all sense of reason and objectivity when it comes to it.

I want to see M&T do a REAL parody of TS, and I hope this last TS episode is enough to prompt them to do so. Their last attempt was one of the limpest, lamest things I have seen on SP to date, and I've been a fan since Jesus fought Santa. M&T are capable of soaring far above even this latest Simpsons episode when they are inspired to do so, and I *really* hope they do. Maybe then TS will try to top them again... Come to think of it, a parody-war between SP and TS could benefit both shows.

Pink FreudThat Guyalt.tv.southpark

"That Guy" wrote in message news:[email]...

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I heard TS team sent the SP team flowers after the Cartoon Wars ep. Sounds like it's pretty friendly rivalry they have going. I agree, SP and TS poking fun at each other would be great for both shows, although I rarely watch TS any more.

That GuyPink Freudalt.tv.southpark

"Pink Freud" wrote in message news:[email]...

I heard something like that as well. Yeah, it doesn't have to be a spiteful war, more like an earnest competition... with just enough heat to get their blood pumping and their brains into that inspired state that really good artists seem to visit when they are creating their greatest works.

Once Upon A Time That Guy wrote:

I like both shows, and enjoyed both of the episodes we are discussing. I do not rate Marge Gamer as highly as you do, but that's all just a matter of taste. As Simpsons episodes goes, it was okay. Not spectacular, but certainly watchable, and enjoyable. I think Make Love Not Warcraft was better. It broke new ground, and was enjoyable on many more levels.

If, in fact, Marge Gamer was trying to "parody" it, I think it failed. I recognized the similarities, certainly, but I did not find the episode to be making any jabs, twists, or thrusts at MLNW. It seemed more like they were just taking the same idea and putting a Simpsons spin on it. They did not fail at this; it was a good show. But, IMO, no gauntlet was being thrown down, and I don't see why Matt and Trey would feel they need to take it a challenge and try to "beat" it. They already did theirs, and they did it damned well.

But perhaps I'm just not seeing what you are seeing. Tell me, what elements of Marge Gamer do you consider to be "parody" (as opposed to just using the same idea)?

** Captain Infinity

"Captain Infinity" wrote in message news:[email]...

Excellent response, I apologize for the incorrect assumptions I made about you.

Here's a section from my OP that should explain it:

There were two major differences in the SP parody of WoW and the game itself. First, when the characters in SP were being shown playing the game, they were talking with each other--not an ability the game has in itself but something you can rig up--but when they spoke, their characters' mouths moved and they gesticulated exactly as though they were carrying on a conversation in real life. This can't happen in WoW. Your character will gesticulate with certain commands, but doesn't have any way to react to any voice communication whatsoever.

Second, the plot of the episode was that a single character had gotten so powerful, he was able to kill all the other characters in the game, making all the other players miserable because as soon as they started having fun the powerful one would kill their character. This is impossible, the game is set up so that can't happen. The highest you can get is level 60 (or level 70 with the expansion pack) and there are plenty of other level 70 players around who are as powerful as you. At that point if you battle another character, the contest is determined by player skill, including strategy and reflexes, and to a slight degree by luck (some classes of characters have advantages over others, though the game manufacturer tries to keep them as balanced as possible.) So the whole plot of the parodical episode of SP was based on a blatantly false premise. (If you are a low-level player, high-level players can kill you if they are the opposite faction, but only in certain areas--and there's no reason for low-level players to venture into those areas.)

Once again, I am NOT pointing these things out as flaws in the SP episode, I consider them "artistic license" in order to make the episode more interesting. But they were, in the strictest possible sense, inaccuracies, since South Park chose World of Warcraft *by name* rather than using a parodical name.

(Now that I think about it, they went beyond artistic license because the whole premise of the episode was based on something that could never happen in WoW. It was a cheat. They could have done any number of stories involving WoW which could have been possible in the game. It's sort of like portraying Dubya as the first black president, and then basing an episode on the challenges he faces as such--it doesn't make sense.)

Now, this brings us to "Marge Gamer."

Though the game parodied in "The Simpsons" was referred to as Earthland Realms and had similarities to many online role-playing games, it had a number of elements unique enough to WoW to leave no doubt as to the target of the parody.

As soon as the game starts (after the introductory sequence and tutorial) we see characters speaking aloud and gesticulating in coordination, exactly as South Park showed it. At first, I assumed this was either sloppiness on the part of the writers, or that they were copying what they had seen on the SP episode out of sheer laziness and lack of originality but later I realized differently. It turned out that the plot of the Earthland Realms story was essentially identical to the plot of the South Park episode: one player ruins the game for all the other players because he's so powerful none can stand against him.

Maybe this really was sloppiness on the part of the Simpsons staff, and no one checked (or maybe no one cared) that The Simpsons was essentially stealing two things from South Park that were both just writers' cheats to begin with. If nothing more is heard about it, then I guess that's the case. If I'm right about it though, we should see another SP episode parodying TS--only doing it much better.

Does anyone else think "that guy" is nowhere near as smart as he fancies himself to be with this pedantic tripe?

"That Guy" wrote in message news:[email]...

"MrBubblesintheTub" wrote in message news:[email]...

ROFL! TPBR was joking. Look at the message. No one uses phrases like "as he fancies" and "pedantic tripe" unless they are pretending to be a pretentious, sheltered, self-indulgent snob. He's pretending to be Mr. Burns.

"That Guy" wrote in message news:[email]...

Nope, turdburglar, not joking at all. I was actually parodying your ostentatious pseudointellectual bullshit. Eschew obfuscation, asswipe. Sometimes a joke is simply a joke.

"The Polish Bicycle Ride" wrote in message news:2ZyYh.3699$[email]...

ROFL, What's with the whimpering? I hurt your feelings, now you're calling names. "Turdburglar", how original.

You have neither the intelligence nor talent to recognize good parody, let alone create it. I'm sure you watch TS for the fart and poop gags, then. Too sad, too sad.

Your sense of inadequacy about your lack of brains is showing. Wow. You actually read through my post and then took the time to rant about it? People who are secure don't need to do that, if they don't like someone's writing, they ignore it--unless it hits a nerve.

You'll be a lot happier if you grow up and stop projecting your own fears and insecurities on others. Until then, I'll continue to be amused by your transparent rants.

"The Polish Bicycle Ride" wrote in message news:8dy_h.66$[email]...

I'll give that one a B-. Not bad, and though "anal spelunker" isn't original, it invokes some interesting images. I wonder, though, whose anus is big enough to go spelunking in. Since there's only two of us in this thread any more, and I'm the one doing the spelunking, I guess it's pretty obvious... Cavern-Butt.

kilowattThat Guyalt.tv.southpark

Marge said that she redecorated Bart's castle with the "Hello Kitty expansion pak" Butters said he had been playing "Hello Kitty something"

That GuyThat Guyalt.tv.southpark

"That Guy" wrote in message news:[email]...

I posted this several weeks ago about "Marge Gamer" :

Ok... After watching the succeeding episodes with a more critical eye, I have to say now I'm 99% sure I was wrong. The people who have been writing the episodes lately aren't capable of that kind of subtlety, or at least wouldn't use it in OFF. Even the season finale was only fair at best.