Mexico's space program...

Does Mexico really have a space program? I finally watched last week's episode of South Park, "Free Willyz," and the kids rescue a killer whale from Sea Park because they think he is an alien from the moon who has been kidnapped by humans. They call Russia and they offer to launch the whale to the moon for $20 million. Then they go to Mexico and they tell them they can do it for $200. Not $200 million, 200 dollars. The Mexicana Aeron�utica y Spacia Administraci�n (MASA) is next to the store that sells fountains and has several lunar rockets with Mexican flags on them. They put Willyz into a harness and chain it to the rocket and it lifts off. The final scene is a dead whale on the moon. :)

Mexicana Aeron�utica y Spacia Administraci�n wrote:

Yes, since South Park is a documentary program, everything you see is 100% true. Including the episode where the statue of Virgin Mary bleeds out of her vagina. Milagro!

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:18:12 -0800, Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote:

Some of it's just an exaggeration. I think the stuff about Mormon's and Scientologists (is that a word?) is true.

To answer your question, mexico doesn't have a space program...

[email] wrote...

Duh, though Technobarbarian did post a link saying that Mexico does do some stuff that other countries launch into space for it. But of course it was supposed to be a ludicrous idea, that a country that can't even manufacture its own domestic automobile could build a lunar rocket.

I've used space travel as an example in the past to illustrate Mexico's corruption. I think I said that given the amount of money the ruling party has stolen over the years, that it would have been enough to pay for manned missions to Mars. That really is not an exaggeration either. While we could argue about the merits of spending billions of dollars to plant national flags on other planets, the point is that not only is there no Mexican flag on the moon or Mars, they also did not use the money to fix the potholes on their roads on earth. Well, the money really did go into space, it got sucked into a black hole and traveled through a wormhole that leads to Switzerland...

"Space...s�...flyyyy..."

Really?????????????, next time you drive a Ford, GM, Dodge/Chrysler, Nissan or VW or Renault, check where it was made , good chance it was manufactured in México.

Well, you must be a rocket scientist then.

I think I said that given the amount of

Like the money some idiots are spending killing people in Irak, I see ....

Well, the money

Ask Dick Cheaney about it, he might have a clue.

Yes, you, next time, thinkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk what you say.

[email] wrote...

Uh, I used the term "domestic" as in a MEXICAN company manufacturing its own automobiles, not factories built by FOREIGN companies that happen to be located in Mexico.

Except that despite that waste of money, we can still afford to go into space. Even bankrupt Russia can go into space. Even China whose per-capita GDP is lower than Mexico's can go into space. And even India has announced it will go into space within the next decade. But Mexico can't even manufacture its own internal combustion engine.

Seamore Tush wrote:

And? What do you want us to do about it? Cross the border and kick Mexico's ass or somethin'? Idiot.

Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote:

Jeez, that's probably *exactly* what he wants, don't encourage him, please.

<< >>that a country that can't even manufacture its own domestic

Auto production is rapidly becoming something that has way too much excess capacity and a need for huge volume in order to be competitve. That's why you see so many joint ventures, whether it's the Indians producing Tatra trucks from Czechoslovakia (now effectively owned by FMC of the USA) of whether it's the myriad of European countries that have set up joint ventures with the Chinese.

In fact, Mexico has a long history of buying the tooling for various auto concerns that were unsuccessful elsewhere and building them in Mexico. Borgward and Flxible buses come to mind quickly. The tooling for the Eagle buses (think Trailways) was reportedly purchased by Mexican interests and I wouldn't be too surprised to see them go back into production someday. MCI (which manufactures the Greyhound buses) was owned by Mexican interests until not long ago).

<< But Mexico can't even manufacture its own internal combustion engine. >>

Well ... how many nations actually manufacture an engine of their own design? Most likely not as many as you think. And the number of engines that Mexico manufacturers under license is actually staggering. Pretty much all the auto manufacturers that sell in North America manufacture engines in Mexico. John Deere does. I think that Caterpiller and Cummins both manufacturer in Mexico.

Let's put it this-a-way ... if I wanted to sell industrial engines to my southern neighbors I sure as hell wouldn't design my own when you could buy a CAT or Cummins dirt cheap. That's simple business logic.

Ah, such a simpleminded fool you are. If Mexico really wanted to go to space, it would, as simple as that. Going to space is just a matter of assigning the proper budget; the technology can be bought, and the engineers can be hired. Rocket science ain't "rocket science" anymore. But Mexico has no need to go to space right now. What for? China and India want to go to space because they have this superiority complex and want to be superpowers and shit. We don't have such issues here in Mexico.

Zerge wrote...

Yes, it is not difficult to go into space, it is the budget that is the problem. Remember that I used space travel as an example of Mexico's corruption, that the money stolen could have paid for numerous manned missions to Mars. Aside from that, the stolen money could have paid every Mexican road with gold, and not aren't they paved with gold, they are full of potholes because the money in the pothole repair budget was stolen as well.

And to pick on Mexico some more, I notice they have some sort of complex where they feel they can make up for their lack of economic, diplomatic, and military power by flying extra-large flags. South Park even portrays the flags, and of course the flag in Nuevo Laredo was visible from 100km away and was used as a landmark for Mexicans heading to swim across the river and the $50,000 it cost could have fixed the potholes in the sidewalks the tourists kept falling into.

"Space...s�...flyyyyy..."

Indeed we have no military power. Economically, however, we are one of the largest economies in the world, and diplomatically, you may want to look up who is going to be chairing the OCDE this period.

Yes, we make large flags, but you make it up in the sheer number of them. It is not common to see the Mexican flag flying from people's houses, but that's common in the US. You see the US flag EVERYWHERE, even stamped on underwear.

On 3 Jan 2006 14:39:34 -0800, "Zerge" wrote:

Yeah, right below the words, "Made in China".

"Seamore Tush" wrote in message news:RYOpf.40308$[email]...

Have you noticed that in the last 40 years, the US is also depending on Japan, Germany, etc. to build cars, they even imported the complete factories to the US, Toyota, Honda, are now assambling the Japanese automobiles in the US. even the Koreans, have KIA, and if you want more exemples, 70% of the steel is now imported from Korea. Do not be surprised if the parts for the Space Shuttle, also come from China, go to any store in the US. and 95% of the shirts, shoes, kitchen utencils, they all come from China. They say that even the navy ships are now made over seas. The only items that I have found to be "made in the US" are TOWELS,. but with Egyptian cotton.

Take apart any computer, and 90% of the parts are made in China, Korea, Indonesia, etc. The next time you need HELP, with Microsoft, a person answering the phone, is in INDIA. Go ahead give it a try. Welcome to the NEW USA.

Believe it or not, yes they have or had a space program in did since the 70´s, but nobody seems to know that in this thread. Where? in Oaxaca. They use to launch rockets with meteorological purposes, and I don´t mean baloons. And not just that, they can, and they build "microsatellites" .

http://serpiente.dgsca.unam.mx/unamsat/unameng.htm

but this ones were launched from Russia I think.

So don´t speak too fast.

wrote in message news:[email]... Believe it or not, yes they have or had a space program in did since the 70�s, but nobody seems to know that in this thread.

Actually I posted a more current report on Mexico's space program on this thread in alt.mexico, but I cut out the troll's crossposting.

Where? in Oaxaca. They use to launch rockets with meteorological purposes, and I don�t mean baloons.

I quess it's a matter of definitions, but "space" programs usually refers to activities outside of the earth's atmosphere.

And not just that, they can, and they build "microsatellites" .

http://serpiente.dgsca.unam.mx/unamsat/unameng.htm

but this ones were launched from Russia I think.

The Russians launched both the Mexican built Unamsat A and B. The Russian rocket failed destroying both Unamsat A and an Israeli satellite. The rocket carrying Unamsat B was successful.

So don�t speak too fast.

Poop Dog, as we call him on alt.mexico, is a veritable fountain of misinformation.

TB

Technobarbarian wrote...

A space program is rocket technology. Building a machine and putting it in a satellite is not space science. If they had put tequila in there instead of a tv transonder that it shows Mexico can go into space? It was the Russians who launched it, and it could have been the Americans, Chinese, Indians, or whatever country with space ambitions and that does not reflect on Mexico's space technology any more that the sandals the ISS astronauts wear were made in Mexico.

"Rocket technology", as you put it, is ancient technology. It was developed in the 1940s. What matters is the vehicle you put into space; there's the real value, not in a giant tube filled with fuel. Your tequila example is brainless, of course. Building a satellite IS space technology. Rockets are commodities; you can buy the ride into orbit from any number of countries.

Zerge wrote...

Okay, then why can't Mexico build its own rocket if the technology is so old? Space flight is something every country wants to demonstrate it is competitive in the world scene. Does Mexico seek any form of technological advancement or is it content with its current level? Imagine all the hi- tech jobs Mexico might have had if it had invested just a fraction of the loot in technology development. India recently announced it was planning a space flight within 7 years, even North Korea has the technology, and soon so will Pakistan and many other countries. Keeping in mind that rockets and missiles are the same thing, so a peaceful manned space flight also signals that you have missile technology so potential agressors had better be careful. And perhaps Mexico could become a rocket exporter or launch satellites for other countries for $200.

------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Two tasks confront those who hate the servitude to which the industrial system is reducing the human race. First, we must work to heighten the social stresses within the system so as to increase the likelihood that it will break down or be weakened sufficiently so that a revolution against it becomes possible. Second, it is necessary to develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology and the industrial society if and when the system becomes sufficiently weakened. And such an ideology will help to assure that, if and when industrial society breaks down, its remnants will be smashed beyond repair, so that the system cannot be reconstituted. The factories should be destroyed, technical books burned, etc." -- The Gospel of St. Ted (Ted 166:1-5) ------------------------------------------------------------------------

You are wrong about that. What % of countries have a space program? A very small % do. If Mexico wanted to build a rocket, it could. We have a nuclear power plant, that's arguably as difficult to do.

Does Mexico seek any form of technological

"Mexico" is not a single monolythic entity. There's different government divisions, and thousands of companies and universities. Some do want to advance their techonologies, others are more than happy to buy it.

Imagine all the hi-

Plenty is invested in technology. You are just ignorant on the subject, that's all.

India recently announced it was planning

India and Pakistan are planning on nuking each other one of these days. And NK is planning to nuke SOMEONE one of these days too. That's why they have rocket technology.

Keeping in mind that

Mexico fears no aggressors. After all we have our big brother the US to defend us :) Yeah well let's say the rockett exporting business doesn't look that attractive really.

In article , "Zerge" wrote:

Where did you get the 1940s from? The Chinese had rockets around 1000 years ago. If you are limiting this to modern rockets, those started in 1917 with Robert Goddard (if you count from implementation) or in 1903 with Konstantin Tsiolkovsky (if you count from the first theoretical description of a modern rocket).

Yes yes yes. I mean REAL rockets, don't play dumb. I'm thinking V2 onwards.

Distrust always of who praise Americans If they criticize him, it`s a symptom of health. If they praise him, something goes bad. ....very bad

USA, a COUNTRY of pirates and plunderers

On 10 Jan 2006 18:02:22 -0800, "CHINGUETAS" wrote:

On 29 Dec 2005 15:55:15 -0800, [email] wrote:

Yeah, I'll bet they work great. They probably only cross national borders under cover of night.

Oh wait, it may not be a joke. From the "Launch" page on the referenced site:

"UNAMSAT-1 was launched on March 28th, 1995. Unfortunately, the rocket failed and did not achieve the desired orbit, and was destroyed as it reentered our atmosphere. A twin satellite is under construction, UNAMSAT-B, to be launched sometime in 1996."

Nice try, Mexico. And what's with the "to be launched sometime in 1996." Does anyone update that site more than once a decade? And why UNAMSAT-B, instead of UNAMSAT-2?

Sí, sí, flyyyy!