"Will I dream?"

That's HAL from "2001."

In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful D.G. Porter declared...

Nope, from the sequel "2010".

"Sean O'Hara" wrote in message news:[email]...

No it wasn't. That whole "What are you doing Kyle? I'm afraid I can't let you do that Kyle." deal was straight outta 2001. Substitute "Dave" for "Kyle" and its the same scene. I think the 2010 computer was a chick (had a chick's voice)

In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful "Heavyarms" <jentrytee (at) pee-puhl-pee-see (dot) com> declared...

Wrong episode. IIRC, you're thinking of the trapper-keeper one, when Kyle has to go into the Cartman-Blob.

The line from last night's episode was just "Will I dream" on its own; it's asked twice in 2010 -- once by SAL 9000 before Dr. Chanra shuts her down to see if she can be rebooted, and once by HAL to Dave's Space Ghost right before Jupiter explodes.

It's also the second-to-last line in Aliens.

"Sean O'Hara" wrote in message news:[email]...

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Oops, you're mostly right...mostly. Sorry!

FWIW, the chick is an uncredited Candice Bergen.

"Heavyarms" <jentrytee (at) pee-puhl-pee-see (dot) com> wrote in message news:[email]...

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On or about Sat, 19 Apr 2003 03:35:22 GMT, G made the sensational claim that:

According to the IMDB, she's credited as Olga Mallsnerd.

"G" wrote in message news:_t3oa.113730$[email]...

No kidding? Learn something new...

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Urk! Yes, and a totally forgettable film.

"D.G. Porter" wrote in message news:[email]...

Dude, no way...I love that movie!

I remember seeing "2001" in '68 in a theater. I had heard about the stargate sequence and how it baffled everyone -- "Oh, they just decided to take drugs for that!" THAT film was a mindblower. It didn't tryto explain everything and wan't an ideological dinosaur.

"2010" is too much of its time and not of all time. The East-West thing is ridiculously dated, the girl-boy UST thing is irrelevant. Now if you took those two flaws out, the film would be shorter but hundreds of percents improved.

Also, if Clarke wrote this he should have to go back to school. The premise that there wouldalways be two suns continuouls lighting u;p the sky (and hence no more nights) is a joke. What would happen when the Jovian sun is in the same "hemisphere" as Sol, and not opposite? Of course we'd have night.

But the biggest flaw is that if you had a second sun of that size, it's effect on the Earth would be what happened to Venus -- all our water would blow off, our CO2 would remain, and we'd turn into a copy of Venus -- an atmosphere the density of crude oil and 800 degrees.

"2001" worked (better in the film than in the subsequent novelization) because it didn't try to work out some new unworkable physics and didn't try for "statements" and "human interest." It just WAS. I know this pisses some people off, but for them there will always be John Wayne movies.

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Venus is like the way it is because it hasn't a moon.

Having a second light source wouldn't have any effect on earth's atmosphere at all.

No, it's the way it is because of it's distance (or lack of it) from the Sun. Thee have been calculated experiments where the Earth is moved to Venus's orbit, and the results are that we'd lose all our water.

Now here's a funny. If you were able to switch Venus and Mars back several billion years ago, Mars would be the way Venus is, but Venus would be Earthlike because of its distanced from the Sun and mass would allow it to retain its water. Mars is just too small to hold an Earthlike atmosphere, and Venus is too heavily bombarded with solar radiation to hold water. You should realize that most of Earth's carbon dioxide is safely dissolved in our oceans. If it were in our atmosphere life would be impossible.

However, with Jupiter as a companion star, Mars's atmosphere would be vaporized in any scenario.

Stars give off more than just light -- they give off heat and all kinds of radiation. I'd recommend you consult some astronomy books.

Another reason "2010" can't hold a candle to "2001" is the music. In 1968 Ligeti's music was still very avant garde and hard for many people to accept as "music." The music is "2010" is ... eh!

Relatively speaking, Jupiter is not that big in comparison ((+/- 'who knows' for what they did to it, but not nearly that much) Jupiter = 71,490km/1.8987e27kg (+???, but starts at less than 1/1000th the mass of Sol)

than Earth's is to the Sol (Earth = 149,600,000km : Jupiter = 778,400,000km (yes, that's over 4x more distant at it's closest approach to Earth)). Granted, I'm not sure what the added mass would do to these numbers, but I'm pretty sure that Clarke doesn't need to go back to school. The screenwriters, probably...but I'd have to re-read the books. Maybe I'm forgetting something that was left out of the movies in way of explanation or maybe they changed the message because they thought is sounded cooler. In any case, it would hardly do much to the earth.

The Vampire, "Muffin Man"