Cartman vs. fartman

I stil think South park sux, but if thay would have Howard Stern cum on the show I mighte change my mind cause he is the king os all the meedia. HE could have do a penis meashering contest with the boys and chef. Cartman mighte win, but I still would take Fartman over the Cartman any day. Stern rules Doc, proud to be an Asshole On Line

On 11 Jul 1998 02:04:46 GMT, [email] (DocWonmug) wrote:

So don't post here.

You're obviously not the king of all spelling... and while I would love to see him on the show, I certainly don't want to see him shoot a load.

You're obviously too stupid to be allowed to listen to Howard.

Don't be so proud. Seek professional help.

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

Lone Wolf (Chris Baile) said...

I'd love to see Howard Stern on South Park. I would love to see Matt and Trey nail the bastard to the wall in the fashion he deserves. Like they have for Patrick Duffy, and Tina Yothers, and Barbra Streisand, and Eric Roberts, and...

And they'd do it so very well. :)

For an extra added bonus, I'd like to see Stern get killed in some off-the-wall yet rather horrific fashion. And see the rats turn up their noses at him. And have the line, "Oh my god, they killed Howard!" "You bas... wait..."

Tirya NOT a Stern fan, can you tell? :)

On 13 Jul 1998 21:18:22 GMT, [email] wrote:

I must ask, being a Stern fan. Why, in your opinion, would he deserve such a thing?

They should have maimed and tortured Celine Dion when they had the chance.

But why.

Yes... I kind of guessed.

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

Lone Wolf (Chris Baile) said...

I don't like him. I don't think he's funny, I don't think he's entertaining, I think he's rude, obnoxious, vile, and basically a waste of skin and airwaves. So when Stern came up in the post, my first thought was, "Yeah - that'd be cool... look what they did to Eric Roberts!" :)

My opinion only - you are entitled to yours! ::grin:: And I wouldn't dare to presume to tell you not to listen to him - I can only say that the few times I've happened across his show (either on morning radio or channel surfing through E!) he has managed to make me dislike him even more.

So I would love to see South Park nail him :)

Tirya

On 14 Jul 1998 00:42:14 GMT, [email] wrote:

OHHHHH.

Like South Park.

"Hey Terrence, I think I have to fart!"

Eric Roberts is a waste of life. Stern brings a smile ot my face every morning, and fights for free speech. Whether or not you like his material, you should show some respect to the man for putting up with the FCC, who have gone after him alone, and no one else with the heavy fines they've hit him with. It's because of people like Stern that South Park remains on the air. Howard should also be lauded for being one of the few celebrities to stay married to his first wife for over 20 years. How many other celebs can say that?

Well, of course... I just find it difficult to believe you're a South Park fan but you don't like Howard's humour, which is damn near the same thing.

But what does he do that you don't like?

There are more suitable victims... Rush Limbaugh, Jesse Helms, Princess Di, any country musician except Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash, Mel GIbson, Charlie Sheen, Hanson, etc.

I doubt Matt and Trey have even HEARD of Howard... or maybe just recently they may have had some exposure to him... since Howard doesn't broadcast into Colorado.

Viva South Park Viva Howard

Cause Stone Cold says so.

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

Trouble is, with the exception maybe of Mel Gibson, these are all like shooting pigs in a barrel. Because there are people (like you, for example) who are fans of both South Park and Stern, he would be a much more appropriate (read: volatile) target. I think.

Um... there was a minor filmic sensation not too long ago called "Private Parts". Do you really think generally media-savvy Matt and Trey weren't aware of this? (Especially what with Stern-boy and Robin making all the talk show rounds?)

--C. S.

On 14 Jul 1998 18:32:01 GMT, [email] (Keith M. Kurzman) wrote:

As I said... it's possible they just never bothered to notice. Living in Colorado, they had more limited cable channels... and Private Parts didn't get a great release throughout the midwest and surrounding areas... it mainly appeared in large cities... particularly ones where Stern broadcasts.

But hey... anything's possible, or impossible.

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

Lone Wolf (Chris Baile) wrote in message ...

Kurzman)

just

Howard

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That is complete bullshit. I suppose you have studied the success of the movie demographically and other such shit. I live in the midwest and it was very well advertised. Everyone at the time had heard of it. Your arguments that M&T don't know of Howard Stern are very weak.

RS

On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:07:03 GMT, "Slightly Askew" wrote:

Well... how eloquent.

Did you? If not, then you shouldn't be making assumptions, either.

my condolences.

I fucking care if you think it's weak. Go away.

You're not allowed to quote python.

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

In article , [email] (Keith M. Kurzman) writes:

How many days was it playing before shuffling off to video, anyway?

I don't have an exact statistic on me, but it actually did VERY well! (I know, I know... I was surprised, too.)

--C. S.

On 03 Aug 1998 11:23:20 GMT, [email] (BRaines000) wrote:

Yes, yes... yet another anti-Stern person, eh?

Private Parts was in theatres for at least a month. It cost about $20 million to produce, and has raked in well over 50 mil since its video release.

Offhand, I'd say that's pretty good for someone that half the country hates.

----- Lone Wolf AKA Powerslave My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Into the flood again... same old trip it was back then... so I made a big mistake... try to see it once my way..." - Alice in Chains, "Would"

"I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne. Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky." - Sean Connery, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

Lone Wolf (Chris Baile) said...

No, I find South Park funny. I do not find Howard Stern funny.

(Then again, I don't particularly think T&P are that funny, either, come to think of it - maybe that's the conneciton.)

I'm glad you like him and that he has his fans. I just do not happen to be one of them. I'm not trying to convince you he's not funny, I'm not asking for you to convince me that he *is* funny, let's just realize that we have different tastes where this is concerned and leave it at that, okay? I know I'm not going to change your mind, and I know you're not going to change mine, so we may as well accept that and move on.

Chicago. Mancow. I'd be interested to know what the "fine-o-meter" is on the two of them. But then, I don't care for Mancow, either, so it really doesn't matter to me. There are plenty of other stations on the dial for the morning drive.

"People like Stern" include *anyone* who believes in free speech, who believes in opposing censorship, and believes in the ability to choose. By that definition, there are a lot of "people like Stern". By that definition, I am one of them. But I do not find his brand of humor or his type of radio show appealing. My personal preference. You know... *my* right to choose what I like?

Not really. I don't like the T&P toilet humor that pervaded "Not Without My Anus". If that's all SP was, I would't watch it. By the same token, I like Jim Carrey, but there are parts of his Ace Ventura movies that I detest (like the talking ass, or being "born" out of the back end of a rhino). I'd love to see the special effects in Dr. Dolittle, but I don't know if wanting to see them outweighs having to sit through 90 +/- minutes of ass-sniffing humor. The promos highlighted it, and the reviews reinforced it, and I don't find it funny. Maybe I'll give it a try, I don't know.

There are more types of humor in South Park that I do find enjoyable. I loved the parody of Japanese Mecha films and the oblique reference to one of my all-time favorite movies, "Aliens". I loved Mr. Garrison's nosejob. I love Jimbo and Ned and their perpetual redneckness. I love Officer Barbrady's "not quite getting it". I love Stan, Kyle and Cartman's observations on life ("You know, I learned something today...") I find "Kick the baby!" very funny - it's my startup noise.

And of course, they kill Kenny. ::grin::

None of which is necessarily based in toilet humor or how many times can we overtly refer to sex between commercials.

Just my preference. If you don't share it, that's fine.

Agreed - I'd love to see them nail Rush and Jesse... ::grin:: And I hate to imagine what they could do to Hanson if they really put their minds to it!!!! (And then there are people out there who *like* Rush and Jesse and Hanson, so does that make them right and us wrong? No, just different. Oh, well. Life is full of diversity.) (Yes, I know the saying is "life is full of adversity" but I like my version better.)

Tirya

On 14 Jul 1998 15:27:30 GMT, [email] wrote:

Fair enough.

Wow... you sound like I do sometimes.

I know there have been newspaper articles on how Stern has gotten fined more heavily than anyone else in broadcasting history... for what it's worth.

I liked that one, too.

Hold up, now... I've spotted numerous references to other movies, but where was the Aliens one? (I'm a big fan as well... Cameron before he got full of himself)

Ditto ditto ditto.

Jimbo and Ned rule... especially Ned.

"Damn that frog."

(I GOTTA get my Wave Studio software working again... I haven't made any new sound files since the Valentine's Day episode.)

"Please excuse me for being late... I have explosive diarrhea. K."

"I think that little Kenny bastard gave me the green apple splatters." "Uh huh huh huh. Green apple splatters."

Considering the running (pardon the pun) toilet gag throughout "Death", it's probably not a good idea to throw stones...

Indeed... I just love a good argument.

"This isn't an arguement!" "Yes it is." "No it isn't! It's contradiction!" "No it isn't!"

I'd bet money that it happens eventually.

The words "iron maiden" "boiling oil" and "bamboo shoots under the fingernails" come to mind...

Well, I don't think any of them are South Park fans... or fi they are, they probably wouldn't admit to it.

Very true. Your opinions are yours and mine are mine... but mine may be just a little better because Stone Cold Said So. ;)

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

Lone Wolf (Chris Baile) said...

In Mecha Streisand, when she's stomping up the town, Stan goes, "My mom always said there were no monsters, but there are, aren't there, Chef?" (paraphrase from Newt to Ripley in "Aliens"). Plus spinning Mecha Streisand out into space was a visual parody of the Alien being blown out the airlock in the first movie. :)

(HICKS LIVES!!! Sorry, had to get that out. ::grin::)

If you get "Damn that frog" let me know, mmmkay? Would love to have it as an error noise!

Well, that's not one of my favorite episodes, anyway - for just that reason. Okay, I'll admit in "Anal Probe" I laughed when Cartman set the cat on fire... ::grin:: "No kitty this is my paht pie! Bad kitty!!!!!!"

South Park *and* Monty Python! Cool!

Nah, nah - gotta do something about the "look like girls" thing they have going on. And *then* bring out the Iron Maiden, the comfy chair, the soft pillows... NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!

(On a side note, I half expected to see the Cardinal come in to Barbra's torture chamber in Mecha Streisand...)

Tirya

Lone Wolf (Chris Baile) wrote in message ...

Its not an exact quote from Aliens but its close enough to note as a reference to Aliens. Stan: My mom always said there were no monsters, but there are, aren't there Chef? I'm sure you'll remember Newt saying something similar to Ripley.

--Yashar

On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:05:10 +1200, "Yashar" wrote:

I do now.

Doh.

Time to go watch all of my tapes again.

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

Whether or not you like his

with

heavy

Have you ever heard of Bob and Tom? Q95 out of Indianapolis. They have probably paid out as many if not more fines than Howard. B&T have been on the air for twenty years. I am not sure how long HS has been on, but I doubt it is that long. If you haven't heard of B&T, have you heard of Electric Amish, Prisoner of Love, many other songs and artists that originated in their studio?

It's because of people like Stern that

being

over

Probably many, but they don't get the media coverage because they are not the celebrity "norm".

You have to be joking. I suppose M&T don't have a television or access to a Blockbuster or theater? We didn't get HS here until this year, but I still had heard of him.

RS

Slightly Askew wrote:

Well, maybe I'm acting a little bit like an enforcer here, but ain't this alt.tv.southpark? Maybe this should be brought over to alt.fan.howard-stern (don't think they'd waste valuable server space on an alt.fan.bob-tom, would they?)

On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:08:06 GMT, "Slightly Askew" wrote:

Heard of them... Howard regularly kickd their asses in the ratings.

I severely doubt that. There were several newspaper articles about Infinity Broadcasting having to pay more for Stern's fines than any other in history.

Why? Howard is well into his forties. He's been working in radio since 1976.

Well, no. Have you heard of lesbian Dial-a-date, Guess Who's the Jew, or Black Jeopardy? Classic bits, all of them... and other DJ's have been stealing them for years.

Well, maybe... maybe not.

They themselves said that their families didn't know they were responsible for South Park because they couldn't get Comedy Central. We take our cable packages for granted... alot of folks in the midwest have half the channels we do. Stern's TV appearences were on New York's Channel 9 (which only a handful of cable packages bothered to get) and then on E!, which Stern himself had to wait 3 years to get on his own cable package in Long Island! It's very possible Matt and Trey simply never bothered to notice or take interest.

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

In article , [email] wrote:

I obviously have no idea what Matt and Trey listen to, but I have a feeling Howard is right up their alley. Not to mention the fact that he is also right up the alley of any 8 year old boy . Just because of his fart jokes etc.

In article , [email] writes:

Who the HELL is Eric Roberts, anyway?

Julia's brother

Purgatory West of the Pecos (1999) (TV) .... Blackjack ... aka Purgatory (1998) (TV) (USA) Death Valley (1998) Facade (1998) La Cucharacha (1998) Prophecy II, The (1998) .... Michael ... aka Ashtown: Prophecy II (1997) (USA) ... aka Prophecy II: Ashtown (1997) (USA) Two Shades of Blue (1998) Most Wanted (1997) .... Assistant Deputy Director Spencer "C-16: FBI" (1997) TV Series .... John Olansky ... aka "C-16" (1997) (USA) Making Sandwiches (1997) .... Julia Shadow Men, The (1997) .... Bob Wilson TNT (1997) .... Russo In Cold Blood (1996) (TV) .... Perry Smith American Strays (1996) .... Martin Dark Angel (1996) (TV) Cable Guy, The (1996) .... Himself Doctor Who (1996) (TV) .... The Master ... aka Doctor Who and the Enemy Within (1996) (TV) Heaven's Prisoners (1996) .... Bubba Rocque "Odyssey, The" (1996) (mini) TV Series .... Eurymachus Glass Cage, The (1996) Grave, The (1996) .... Cass Past Perfect (1996) .... Dylan Cooper Immortals, The (1995) .... Jack It's My Party (1995) .... Nick Stark Nature of the Beast (1995) .... Adrian (Dusty) ... aka Hatchet Man, The (1995) Power 98 (1995) .... Karlin Public Enemy #1 (1995) .... Arthur Dunlop Saved By the Light (1995) (TV) Specialist, The (1994) .... Tomas Leon Babyfever (1994) .... Anthony Freefall (1994) .... Grant Drion Hard Truth, The (1994) .... Chandler Etheridge Love Is a Gun (1994) .... Jack Hart Sensation (1994) .... Dr. Ian Burton Love, Cheat & Steal (1993) (TV) .... Reno Best of the Best II (1993) .... Alex Grady Voyage (1993) (TV) .... Gil Freeland Love, Honor & Obey: The Last Mafia Marriage (1993) (TV) .... Bill Bonanno Final Analysis (1992) .... Jimmy Evans Fugitive Among Us (1992) (TV) .... Cal Harper Vendetta: Secrets of a Mafia Bride (1991) (TV) .... Sean McLeary By the Sword (1991) .... Villard Lonely Hearts (1991) .... Frank Descending Angel (1990) (TV) .... Michael Lost Capone, The (1990) (TV) .... Al Capone Ambulance, The (1990) .... Josh Baker Best of the Best (1989) .... Alex Grady Blood Red (1989) .... Marco Collogero Rude Awakening (1989) .... Fred To Heal a Nation (1988) (TV) .... Jan Scruggs Portes tournantes, Les (1988) .... Musician - Tchukon ... aka Revolving Doors, The (1988) Dear America: Letters Home from Vietnam (1987) (TV) (voice) ... aka Dear America (1987) (TV) Nobody's Fool (1986) .... Riley Slow Burn (1986) (TV) .... Jacob Asch Coca-Cola Kid, The (1985) .... Becker Runaway Train (1985) .... Buck Pope of Greenwich Village, The (1984) .... Paulie Miss Lonelyhearts (1983) .... Adam White Star 80 (1983) .... Paul Snider Raggedy Man (1981) .... Teddy Paul's Case (1980) (TV) King of the Gypsies (1978) .... Dave

An object in possession seldom retains the same charm that it had in pursuit. -Gaius Plinius

<snip long list of credits>

Aaah! A stalker! Get away! Seriously, though, all those movies and we've never heard of him?

Marguerrite, Hunter of the Infamous Matt and Trey (they call me Kim, but I know better) Aka Crabtree-Norn "Sit down and shut up!" "&^*$ Censorship!"-originated on alt.tv.southpark

Ah, a fellow IMDb fan :) Toni

MOWBIE wrote:

For those neophtyes who are unfamiliar with Eric Roberts, I would highly recommend renting "The Pope Of Greenwich Village". Heaven's Prisoners is pretty decent and also stars Alec Baldwin, Terri Hatcher,Kelly Lynch, and Mary Stuart Masterston. Eric Roberts is a pretty talented actor but is'nt as good as his sister, Julia. I'm not surprised many of you have never heard of him consideringb much of his work was done before you were born, and the fact that most of his movies were financial failuers and generally fairly obscure to begin with.

fitnfeisty wrote "Eric Roberts is a pretty talented actor but isn't as good as his sister, Julia."

Doin' what?

Heathen.

abe hornberg

"If you fancy it, there it is, in your eye. If not, be it his that finds it."

Before you start saying Eric Roberts isn't as good an actor as his (overrated) sister, rent Star 80. He's absolutely spooky in one of the great film psycho roles of the past 30 years or so.

The Pope Of Greenwich Village is one of my favorite movies, "they took my thumbs Charlieeeeee!" I disagree with you on Julia, I think Eric is twice the actor She is. I never quite got the deal with her. I don't think she can act and she looks like Daffy Duck.

Jessica

In article ,

pretty

deal with her. I > don't think she can act and she looks like > Daffy Duck.

Personally, I don't think either one of them can act their way out of a paper bag. (I say this in reference to the atrocious Dr. Who television movie that aired last year which starred the aforementioned Eric Roberts, and which really sucked ass! They should have eaten him in that movie instead!) As for Julia, I think you hit it right on the head. I don't know why anybody with lips that big is considered attractive, but I think she's an ugly skank who can't act a lick.

Hoser6866 said...

"movie" because the whole thing sucked ass. "30 years of backstory? Bah, we don't need to stick with that... let's give him a human mother *and* stick the Eye of Harmony in his TARDIS! Yeah!"

Tirya Whovian who's still pissed at Fox.

[snipped info on the "other" Eric Roberts]

I think the Eric Roberts that was eaten was a TV actor by the same name, and not the movie actor. A guy at work didn't know who the movie actor was, but said he thought there was an Eric Roberts on Head of the Class (which I've never seen).

I think the actor's name on Head of the Class was Eric Robbins. Toni

Darin C Peterson wrote:

I agree that lately he has gone downhill. If you go back to his earlier movies you will see he had talent. I think unfortuantely it has withered on the vine and gone to waste.

Jessica

In article ,

the

really

In article , [email] writes:

I rather consider her to be the "Sandra Bullock" of the late 80's myself.

In article , [email] (FitNFeisty) writes:

Good at doing what? I don't consider Julia Roberts to be that great an actress...

No, never heard of him until then. I figured he was some sort of washed up Bert Convy/Burt Renolds type star, or someone who did weekly TV movies/ABC Afterschool Specials.

In article , [email] (MOWBIE) writes:

Ack! Enough said!

He also had an appearance on episode 4 of OZ. I hated that whole section of that ep that he was in! He ruined it for me! Ugh!!!!!

AZ

In article ,

In article , [email] (Lone Wolf (Chris Baile)) writes:

What, you didn't think going to bed with "Ugly Bob" was enough?

BRaines000 wrote:

Heavens, no. For that "My Heart Will Go On" abomination, she should be tortured to the point where going to bed with Ugly Bob would be considered a treat.

Rabbit

On 03 Aug 1998 11:23:10 GMT, [email] (BRaines000) wrote:

Not for that anorexic, talentless, annoying-ass, lame Titanic song-singing biotch.

----- Lone Wolf AKA Powerslave My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Into the flood again... same old trip it was back then... so I made a big mistake... try to see it once my way..." - Alice in Chains, "Would"

"I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne. Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky." - Sean Connery, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

M & T have more in common with Howard Stern than they have differences. Sure they made fun of Streisand but they also ranked on Kathy Lee Gifford, Howard's arch enemy. When you consider they all consider farting, vomiting, speech impediments, Canada and lesbians to be funny, and then throw in their disdain for organized religion, especially Jesus Christ, you can't help but think that Matt & Trey are BIG Stern fans. I wouldn't be surprised to see a stutterer show up in South Park some day.

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear. -Ambrose Redmoon

On 14 Jul 1998 14:04:00 GMT, [email] (MOWBIE) wrote:

Damn... good point, Mowbie... forgot about the Kathy Lee similarity.

I know Stern is AWARE of South Park... they actually play a couple of sound clips sometimes.

"WHAT WHAT WHAAAAAAT?" "YOU SICK LITTLE MONKEY!" "Sonova BITCH!"

I think a couple other as well... I guess the only episode they had access to was Mr. Hankey.

Wish I had the email address of someone on the show... I have a few dozen .WAVs I made from the show... up untl the last couple of episodes because my sound studio software is fucked up now.

----- Powerslave AKA Hitchhiker AKA Lone Wolf My Kung-Fu is the best.

"Guns don't kill people... the government does." Dale King of the Hill

"There'll be someone else sitting here for Comedy Central. And that person... or woman... will have to face the fact that this is the network built on... South Park." - Craig Kilborn, The Daily Show

[email] wrote:

I think Trey and Matt owe a lot to Howard and his rude 'n crude little radio program. After all, do ya thinik they'd (them and Comedy Central) be able to get away with all the crude humour on South Park if Stern didn't fight the FCC and paved the way for it by not backing down to all the threats, fines etc. those tree-hugging hippies put on him? Hopefully we'll hear likewise here in Toronto (still in Canada, btw), where Q107's been doing a nice job in butchering some of the finer points of Stern, all in the name of saving their asses from our brand of tree-hugging hippies, the CRTC.

Actually, what I'd like to see is Gary "Baba Booey" Dell'Abate kill Kenny by breathing his nuclear breath on him. Hey, why not have "Mecha Baba Booey?" One exhale wipes out the town, until Mecha Howard saves the day by farting him into orbit.

--RW (An obvious Stern fan from the Great White North)

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Big ol' snip

Better yet, Cartman v. Fartman on Celebrity Deathmatch!

Jim Christian

DocWonmug wrote:

Hmmmm ... I don't even think Comedy Central could slip THAT one by the censors!

Rabbit

First, let me apologize if I sent all my messages to the authors of certain messages. I do have internet access at my camp, but this is a Mac (ugh..) so the format of AOL is different. I wasn't paying much attention to what buttons I was pressing, idiot I am. Second, DocWonmug is still here? Even after he noticed our bad reaction to his parodies of us? Let me tell you something, Doc...

We: 1) can spell and speak intelligently. 2) are not racist, sadistic pigs. 3) don't give a damn about what you have to say.

You probably: 1) don't read the newsgroup. 2) used the one time you weren't high to write a message to cover your perverted rants while on pot. 3) are as perverted and racist as your parody of us. 4) are a sad, sad kid who needs a life.

On 13 Jul 1998 20:40:10 GMT, wrote:

AHEM....1) Following this brilliant postulation, no one could ever "knock" arsenic, hemlock, cyanide, or any other naturally occuring poison. (And before you EVEN THINK of stating that pot cannot be classified with a poison I say BRAVO you have figured out the obvious....but have failed to grasp that my argument is against your REASONING, and not an argument that pot should be placed in the same category as these substances.)

2) Pot does temporarily turn you into a babbling, giggling, malfunctioning idiot (as does beer/liquor in large enough doses).

3) Agreed...pot only enhances the asshole in you, it by no means creates one.

This has been a test of the emergency argument system, had this been an actual intellectual debate...none of us would have given a damn.

THE Sandman.

We have to go through this again?

Just because I reinstall my OS, and don't use the same name twice, you forget so easily.

Your point 2 is a bold lie, influenced by years of obscene anti-MJ propaganda. I have been through this debate on this NG before. MJ has NEVER made me giggle, nor does it make anyone an idiot. I can do advanced mathmatics, build several PC's, write all sorts of valid intellectual debates, practice iai-do (Ido), all in the exact same manor and results STONED as not stoned. MJ does NOT turn anyone into an idiot, and does NOT affect the nervous system in the manor you imply. Do I have to go through this every month with you guys here?

There is a simple reflex test one can perform while stoned. Mind you, it involves murder. Swat flies while sober. Now get high, and swat flies again. There should be no difference in the amount of carnage, or the fluidity and accuracy of the blows, if you apply yourself seriously. If you aren't already a clumsy fool, then MJ will NOT make you into a clumsy fool.

I suggest, before you post on MJ, that you research the subject matter. Go to alt.cannibis or the like, and read the FAQs.

BTW, need I remind you that in very small doses, all those 'poisons' you listed can be injested without harm...and that hemlock is an ancient psychotropic substance. Your arguement does not hold up against my will, as I study psychoactive substances. My reasoning is just fine, thank you. And the war for the right to use drugs at an individuals discretion, has only just begun...religious freedom can not, and will not be eradicated, regardless of what the UN and the US want.

JS

[email] wrote in article ...

knock

were

On 14 Jul 1998 03:47:22 GMT, wrote:

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(Adjusts tie slighly and takes deep breath)

I have never, nor will I ever interfere with anyone's right to put whatever they desire into their body as long as the substance will not create a danger (and thats any danger) to an uninvolved third party. For the less advanced amongst us..i.e. drunk driving, surgeons strung out on coke or speed, pilots popping any one of the psychoactive drugs you claim expertise with....well you get the picture. If we are talking about what you do in your living room, bed room, closet, little shed under the house....I believe that is your business. Once again with the sole caveat (read: warning/condition) that NO UNINVOLVED THIRD PARTY be affected. Your buddy puffing, snorting, chewing, drinking, shooting up...next to you is a VERY involved party...the kid that gets run over because some moron thought "I'm OK to drive!" isn't.

You missed my argument as I predicted. Whether this be from a militant need to slam out whenever anyone says anything that is even slightly negative about your "habit/preference/what-have-you" prior to analyzing the argument...or whether you just missed it--I don't know nor does it really matter since the result is the same. My point was simply that you cannot use the "you have never _____ therefore you can't knock it" argument. And if you have EVER been capable of an intellectual debate, you would understand the inherent flaws in such an argument. I picked well known poisons as an example since it could be understood by a broad section of people. And as to your "small quantity" theorum, that is REALLY stretching since it takes less that 50mg of cyanide to kill a 180lb human. Just as a point of reference...that little Tylenol you take contains 500mg of whatever pain killer they use (I do not claim to be a pharmacist). But sure...you are right that small enough quantities won't kill you, but for some odd reason...I'd just as soon not test the theory.

Before you start a "MJ is great...its medicinal....it should be legal...you are stupid for not using it!!" flame, re-read this post and realize that I am supporting your right to smoke pot in your own home if you wish. I just dont wan't you doing it when you can negatively effect others.

And furthermore...this whole thing started because you put forth a poor argument for your position...whether I ever "toke/smoke/puff/term of choice" doesn't mean I cannot make a sensible, logical argument about my position. To claim such is to also say that as a society we can't "knock" rapists, murderers, or even bad politicians who can't keep it in their pants until we "walk in their shoes"....and you seem too rational to be suggesting such non-sense. And regardless of whatever "gut reaction" argument you decide to throw at me...the "you can't knock it till you try it" argument NECESSARILY comes to this.

THE Sandman

No I did not miss your point. And I did not put forth an invalid argument on my stance, because my stance is soley with 'drug' use. Not rape, not poison, nor any other thing. Your point is valid, but only from the approach you are using, and not in the reality of life as it is lived. I am dead set on arguing any attack on MJ, but as you point out, you don't attack the right to use, but you did slander the effects of the high. My many contention was with the ill effects proposed by members of this group. There is no humor in the lies about MJ, not because of personal taste, but because of decades of repression. It is very much like 'nigger' jokes, to the 'Negros' of the slave era. I assure you, a slave does not find the position forced upon him to be humorous.

I simply won't take the position you propose, because I am a warrior on this path. I am ready and willing to die for the basic right for all humans to use any psychoactive substance they so choose. There is war going on, a world wide war. A *real* war, where people are murdered, molested, tortured, and imprisoned every day. The time has simply come to force all people to grasp this reality. The reason there has been no legalization, is that those who do not use 'drugs' or express themselves religiously with altered states of conciousness, do not care about the issue at all. Well, it is time to make them care, by any means necessary. I risk my very life and freedom every single time I purchase and use MJ. And it is a harsh reality I live in, to be hounded by governmental terrorists, that will not hesitate to kill me, beat me, and destroy my life. I live in these brutal conditions of this governments making. So I will never back down from the 'drug' issuse, and never appologize for defending the right to use. I will shove this issue down the throat of all people, even if they refuse to listen. It is time to take the war to the masses, not just the select few, the cast out, the abused, and the oppressed. This *is* war. Which, of course, means I am also ready and willing to take life in the defense of myself and humanities right to free religious expression, including the right to simply 'get high'.

Don't go trying to slander my mind now, I am very well versed in who I am, where I am, and what is occuring around me. I have no questions left unanswered when it comes to myself.

I'd attack some of the points you make about *third* parties, but I have no time at this moment.

JS

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But then, you would be correct in the assumption that I would attack any previous user of MJ, that came out against MJ. This isn't a game, but a very serious agenda.

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Clearly your militant stance renders any form of discussion impossible. I wish you luck on your quest but warn you against comparing the banning of a substance with the enslaving of an entire race...you are going to make enemies that way. Otherwise, "do whatever floats your boat", so long as you make no attempt to tip mine.

THE Sandman

Yes, the list of the oppressed is a long one. The flames still lick the legs of the witch bound to the post, and the aggressors won't stop with just my submission, you shall be demanded to bow your head as well. One boat isn't enough for the greedy, those that seek to take all our boats, and then rent them back to us in mass restriction.

Discussion is not impossible, it is merely something to do between the points of activity. What counts, is what we perceive, not in how we deal with those perceptions.

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