As a red-blooded American....

...I will say to you all, in the midst of all this country-bashing, that Britain and Canada both FUCKING RULE!!!!

You Canadians might like to know, that ever since the Terrance and Philip special, your national anthem has been stuck in my head 24-7. I've sometimes found myself singing it in my car. Sure, I didn't catch all the words, but it still inspires me a lot more than the Star-Spangled-friggin'-Banner (what the hell are "ramparts", anyway, and why would anyone watch "o'er" them all night?)

Britain: All I can say is, I lived there for 4 months, and you guys are the best! I had a truly wonderful time there....

Losira

(Take everything I say with a grain of 'NARF!!!!')

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"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering...?"

On 18 Apr 1998 07:04:48 GMT, [email] (Losira23) wrote:

Ramparts, of course, are pieces of a male goat. Throughout history, one of the most overlooked contributors to defeat is a deficency of logistics, and without a sufficent quantity of pieces of ram, just about any offensive is bound to fail. Therefore, one must be sure to set a guard over your ram parts, to ensure the enemy does not stage a quick raid and steal them.

Either that, or the top of a wall.

Hmm, well, the star spangled banner was mostly originally written as a poem by francis scott key. During the war of 1812 (US vs England), he was interned on a british warship as the brits were shelling a US coastal base (hmm, fort henry maybe). He wrote of the night shelling, and how the americans held out after the endless bombardment. The pride he felt the next day, when the US flag was still flying high over the base was immense. This poem became the basis for the song. It shows how americans will fight for their freedom forever. I like the song, and the message it conveys. The Canadian anthem is also beautiful, don't get me wrong.

JDzienisze wrote:

Leave it to us Americans to have as our national anthema song that no one can actually SING unless he has a four-octave range. And leave it to us to use, as the lyrics for the anthem, a poem written to commemorate a battle that we LOST, in the middle of a war we LOST.

I think we should just change our anthem to "Oh, Canada." It's a lot catchier and hummable.

we didnt lose the war of 1812 weve never lost any war..i know your thinking vietnam..but go read some books

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Scott Newman Vancouver, BC Go Roughriders!

Bradley Scott Newman wrote in message ...

I realize that reading a few books may scary to you Canadians we do it all the time and we rule the fucking world.

Try it.

On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:32:29 -0700, "JonH" wrote:

John, that is simply not true.

We didn't "lose" the War of 1812, since one of the goals was to stop the impressment of U.S. saliors, a practice which was largely halted. However, the captial building was razed, and the invasion of Canada was a dismal failure. If the British had not been preoccupied with events in Europe, it could have been even bloodier than it was. We could not have been successfully invaded, but it would have been child's play to blockade the states.

As for Vietnam, since the goal was to stop a communist takeover of the South, the war was lost. The U.S. military was not defeated, since we were out of there two years ealier, but tactical victory is meaningless in the face of strategic defeat.

JonH wrote:

I call having the White House burned to the ground "losing."

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By that logic, The bombing at Pearl Harbor would also be a loss???

The only thing I have to say about this is simple. Yes, the brits burned Washington D.C. But, if you look at the war as a whole, it was pretty much a draw. At the wars end, the brits stopped supplying guns to indians, stopped taking us sailors off ships, and the americans won major victories in new orleans and the great lakes. The americans lost more people, botched an invasion of canada, and had D.C. burned to the ground. The treaty had neither side giving any sort of concessions to the other. Neither side gained or lost anything from the war, other than some men, ships, and some buildings. Hell, america was in it's infancy, and england was more worried about napoleon. The war was a relatively minor one, and probably one of the least cared about wars in US/English history. Hence, IMO, it was a draw. Shrug.

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. Burning the White House means you lose the war??? The White House was burned in retaliation for the Americans burning down the capital building in Montreal earlier. The president escaped any harm and was still able to run the country. The burning of the White House at that time, did not have the significance of today. Not the symbol of American power, that it is today. (Plug in Clinton jokes here.) In military history circles, it is considered an American victory, in regards to establishing credence and respect as a world power. Also the foundation of American naval forces. If the British would have took the war seriously, probably would have been a lot different. But Napoleon was a bigger problem. They had been at war since 1803. They were not very interested in a full scale war in America. Sorry to bore ya'll to tears. What I really wanted to comment on, nobody mentioned that the Star Spangled Banner was set to an English drinking song. I thought the whole USA vs UK vs Canada thread was very amusing. I'm a Confederate in Louisiana (oh hell we lost ) live by the Chalmette Battlefield. The major American victory of the war, which was fought after the war was over. As Stan would say, "That war was definitly f*cked up" "Irony can be so ironic" Airplane II>

On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:32:29 -0700, "JonH" wrote:

your implying that by reading some books,we didnt lose the vietnam war?.guess thats because there never was a war,it was only a police action?or have you not read anything except goverment issue text,since `68?

*hi-fives Losira23*

Oh Canada our home and native land true patriot love in all thy sons' command

with glowing hearts we see the rise the true north strong and free

from far and wide Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee

God keep our land glorious and free Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee

Scott Newman Vancouver, BC Go Canada!

you know it was rummored that england slod canada to the US in return for war material and ships during the early days of WWII

it would be funny if that was true

Well you obviously know shit about america you moron. Ramparts would be either the cannon fire or explosions in the sky during the american revolution, where a bunch of dumb fuck rebels screwed the world power. Also, the anthem was written by Franciss Scot key who was a prisoner on a british ship when he wrote the song, and he watched the battle and fire in the sky all night..he was writing what he saw

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