On a lighter religious note...

Dec 22, 199715 posts by 13 postersalt.tv.southpark
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As a former Catholic priest-wanna be, now a staunch atheist, I figured I'd point out some religious inconsistencies with the whole Wendy/Mary scene in the Xmas episode:

If you follow the theology of the book of Genesis, Eve was responsible for bringing sin to the world in the form of knowledge. This was a good way to keep women down in the Old Testament times, as it was all their damn fault for believing the serpent in the first place.

As a consequence of their curiousity, God punished Adam and Eve with Original Sin. Although it did not say it explicitly in Genesis, one of the consequences of original sin was mestruation and labor pains (somehow, I picked this out of a theology textbook some time back).

In order for a woman to give birth to the Son of God, she had to be pure of heart and spirit to receive the seed (jeesh) of God. Therefore, she had to be born without original sin. What this meant was that Mary was the first person to be born without original sin, which was some serious genetic manhandling since both of Mary's parents were born with it. I guess of you look at in from a Mendelian perspective, and consider it as a homozygous result of a heterozygous cross...

sorry, was I ranting? Now back to it:

Anyway, if we belive the teachings of theology, since Mary was born without original sin, she was spared the pains of labor. Thus it was literally a POP, and IT'S IN THERE! type of birth, since she was spared the pain of childbirth in exchange for giving birth to the Son of God. After talking to some women in the know, this would seem to be a fair trade-off...

So, had Trey and Matt done their theology homework, they would have known that Wendy did not have to go through the labor with all the moaning and so forth, although I don't think the scene would have had quite the impact it did.

A couple other things:

I think during that scene, when Baby Jesus Fetus popped out, Kenny was saying "Glory to God in the Highest" while wearing the angel wings.

Trey and Matt are masters at teaching us a lesson. Even though they gave us what I would consider the most irreverent half hour of television in history, they taught us some good lessons, not the least of which is the lonely Jesus birthday song, which symbolizes poignantly if not satirically the loss of the Meaning of Christmas. Although I'm not religious, this should get a thumbs-up from religious-minded persons if they could get through their Pat Robertson-brainwashed minds long enough to see the meaning behind that scene, which someone apparently thought was insulting and blasphemous. It was a harsh reminder of a modern truth.

I've already wasted enough bandwidth on something which I'm sure will get the SFW-type of response, but I needed to get this off my chest.

-- Tracer Bullet http://www.ipass.net/~tbullet/

"When dealing with religious types, always get it in writing. You can't trust those people, not with God leaning over their shoulder telling them how to fuck you on the deal."

JESUS LOVES YOU BUT NOT ENOUGH TO SWALLOW

And just when I thought this NG had gone ALL to hell, Tracer comes up with this... BRILLIANT!! Now if all these other guys can follow suit we might actually GET somewhere here!!!! Another round of eggnog for our friend Tracer here!!!

Dementia

Tracer Bullet wrote in article ...

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On 23 Dec 1997 18:05:24 GMT, "Dementia" offered this unto Shub-Internet:

Maybe you should slow down on that eggnog. You must have put away a few gallons by now.

Ia Shub-Internet, Black Goat of a Thousand Servers! Ask not what Thee Shub can do for you, Ask what you can do for Thee Shub.

yes there are starving children in Ethiopia that have never had eggnog before and here you go wasting it

(cry,cry,cry)

this is why we must donate all the egg nog, sweety pops, boogie bars, and cheesy poofs we can to help feed over sized retards who do commercials, i mean the children

yes thats it feed the children

Bob the Soul Crusher wrote in article ...

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Tracer,

This was a fantastic post. Would you mind sending it to alt.atheism? I'm sure it will be appreciated there for both its humor and depth of meaning. Besides, there are plenty of South Park fans there, too.

Mickey

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after i sprinkled some faeriedust, i could see that (Tracer Bullet) wrote:

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hmmm... i enjoyed your post. but i do feel the need to point out that the christmas play they were putting on was being directed by Mr. Garrison. whether the creators of the show knew all of the details of christian mythology or not, what are the chances Mr. Garrison knows? part of what makes Garrison so funny, IMO, is the fact that he's completely screwed in the head, and gives the kids tons of misinformation. why should his directing a play about the nativity be any different? :)

bright blessings, bramble

"i'm not hysterical. i just don't want to shoot the bunny."

In article , [email] says...

If you're going to quote William S. Burroughs, shouldn't you at least give him credit for the quote?

Thus spoke the Reverend Tracer Bullet ([email]): TB>...one of the consequences of original sin was mestruation and labor TB>pains (somehow, I picked this out of a theology textbook some time TB>back)...

I remember coming across something like that during my remote Catholic past... Keep in mind that "Original Sin" and "Immaculate Conception" are not concepts that all (or even most) Christian sects adhere to.

TB>...since Mary was born without original sin, she was spared the TB>pains of labor... So, had Trey and Matt done their theology TB>homework, they would have known that Wendy did not have to go TB>through the labor with all the moaning and so forth...

The question is whether _Mr._Garrison_ should have done his theology homework. Keep in mind that his grasp of history and such is not the greatest (Columbus did what?!?) I loved the scene the way it was.

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Tracer Bullet wrote in article ...

WOW! Brilliant opening there! Great way to qualify yourself as someone who really knows what he's talking about!

Is this a quote from Gloria Steinem or Rush Limbaugh?

Would that "theology text book" happen to be "The Bible for Dummies?"

[snip of babbling drivel]

Excuse me while I vomit here. "Masters at teaching us a lesson"? Great show, really funny stuff, I love it, but if you think the creators are doing this show for any other reason than to MAKE MONEY, then you need serious mental help. Actually, after reading your entire post and seeing your webpage, I'd suggest therapy anyway.

mr

On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:53:27 GMT, [email] (Tracer Bullet) wrote:

My apologies to Bob Norton for not citing William S. Burroughs for the quote below. I was lucky enough just to draw the whole thing from memory. However, the Jesus swallowing remark was unattributed when I gleaned it from some post several years ago.

As for Protestants and other non-Catholics, they do not believe in the divinity of Mary, and see her simply as the vessel which helped bring Christ into the world. I received much flack from this when I started talking to a former girlfriend who was Pentecostal. She made it look like I was a blasphemer when I mentioned devotionals and rosaries to Mary. Catholics are well-known for their devotions to Mary and various saints, which Protestants believe is sinfully ignoring the role of Christ. Don't pray to saints, they say, pray to J.C..

As for Mr. Garrison, bear in mind I was just ranting about this little part of the Xmas episode. It apalls me that I still remember so much of this catechismal drivel. Of course, I also remember other useless minutae like the measurements of Miss December 1989, but I digress.

Hapy Holidays to you all. And nuke a godless baby seal for Christ.

-- Tracer Bullet http://www.ipass.net/~tbullet/

Tracer Bullet wrote: [chomp]

I've got a sample of him saying something similar to this on a CD somewhere, somewhat different phrasing.