It is an established phenomenon that writers tend to kill off their enemies in their fiction, e.g. that kid down the block that gave them a hard time is the first one that gets eaten by the aliens. I am not saying that these people actually harm their foes, I am just saying that they write a set of scenes where the poor bastard dies badly.
My question is: What the hell did the kid that is Kenny comes from do to arouse such ire? I mean, they kill Kenny each goddamned week (except MAYBE Christmas. See thread where it is debated whether Kenny died or not in the Christmas show). What depraved and dispicable act did the real life Kenny do to diserve this treatment? We are talking about some heavyduty hate here.
So the question is: WHAT DID THE REAL LIFE KENNY DO TO WARRANT BEING KILLED EACH WEEK?
Trey and Matt wrote it that way. The End. Of course, I have another explination, but that would give away part of McCormick, Pt. 3
Marguerrite, Hunter of the Infamous Matt and Trey (they call me Kim, but I know better) Aka Crabtree-Norn "Sit down and shut up!" "&^*$ Censorship!"-originated on alt.tv.southpark
(sort of) Following this thread, one might say that sp fans have nihlistic tendencies, but surely the most unimaginative, tedious, and unsexy form of nihlism available... Do sp fans find speculation and thought such an uncomfortable and repulive concept? Is sp really the lowest commen denominator of humor?
My question is this: why do you find it necessary to put down other sp fans? Why this air of self-righteousness, this condenscending attitude? You've also posted on the "Suffer the Little Children" thread. You criticized those who disliked Doc's pedophilia story, citing free speech while calling us small minded. You're no better than other sp fans on this newsgroup. Please, do come down from your high horse.
My question is this: why do you find it necessary to put down other sp fans? Why this air of self-righteousness, this condenscending attitude? You've also posted on the "Suffer the Little Children" thread. You criticized those who disliked Doc's pedophilia story, citing free speech while calling us small minded. You're no better than other sp fans on this newsgroup. Please, do come down from your high horse.
What the F*** is with your prejudice crap?! So you are saying just cuz I'm jewish that I deserve to die?! Also Kyle is jewish, not Kenny you opressive pigf***er! Why don't you stick your bullshit somewhere else, like the alt.loser.jew-hater.shit newsgroup!!
On 12 Aug 1998 05:45:57 GMT, [email] (Paul) wrote:
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By the way, I award you in posing your ability to use $50 words where they need not apply. I'm not impressed. Is anyone else here impressed? I thought not. Some of us might have seen a Thesaurus or two.
I've seen this guy's post before, in the "Suffer the Little Children" thread. It's his style to insult South Park fans like us who disagree with his opinions. I think he likes to use big words because he wants to seem mentally superior to the rest of us. -Toni
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:17:17 -0700, "Ms. Toni Dimayuga" wrote:
True. He/she may be a legend (in his/her own mind). Generally, people use (bigger) words to give the perception of being more intelligent. I'm not impressed with $50 words...I'm more interested in what the user has to say. I'll even discount spelling and grammar. But if no point is given...he/she may as well be talking to a "brick wall."
Uh oh, you used the he/she thing. Last time I did that, this guy (it's a guy, btw- his name is Paul) called it evidence of me being a supercilious twit. See what I mean? -Toni
actually, did a lil search on Dejanews to see if he was on them other newsgroups...yup, he is. And that is his writing pattern in all of them. Sooooooo, one must now try to deduce why he would resort to using such a high-profile vocabulary. Either
A. He is well schooled and that is the only way he can communicate with others, which could be true...as I've known people with extremely high mathematics knowledge that can't do a simple addition problem in their head
B. He owns a theasarus that is so fantastic that Roget is spinning in his grave
C. Coinciding with B, he uses that theasarus as a weapon by using high vocabulary in an attempt to prove to himself that he is indeed superior in his inferior world, when really by using high-vocabulary in a newsgroup dedicated to what Shakespeare would call "groundling" humor will do nothing but make him the subject of ridicule.
D. Someone else types the messages for him
E. He's a troll
Don Pardo, what did our studio audience say?
Sir Galahad "I think all right thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."
You know, just because a person has the capability to use long words doesn't mean they're smart. It's not very fair to make judgmental statements based on someone's vocabulary... for all we know, they could be part of the Asshole's normal speech patterns.
That's very true; I mean, I use big words often as well, but this guy did it for a purpose: to belittle those who expressed outrage at Doc's lovely handiwork- his pedophilia story. In this case, he wanted to seem morally and intellectually superior.
On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 06:06:37 -0000, "aardvarko" wrote:
for all we know, they could be part of the
*smile* what Asshole or Arsehole! Noddy Any one can drive this box of chips.. ...long as there is someone to talk you through IT!! Remove SPAM from ADDY an yer will get me!!<><><><>Devil tracks<><><><>
On 12 Aug 1998 05:45:57 GMT, [email] (Paul) wrote:
You should ask yourself the same question. After all, you sought out this newsgroup to post your response. You, yourself, must have some interest here, if only to flame others. If you have anything against alt.tv.southpark, you should have alt.tv.southpark.sucks created and post there instead. By posting here, you have inadvertently proven your own interest in the show (if only to flame this NG).
Yes, its me, the stupid Neo-Nazi pig-fucker who seemed to offend half the SP loving population of this planet in 11 words.
So one person got the point of the message,
Come on down, Peter Thomas. (I could make the point about the British being the only ones who are able to understand irony, but I won't)
Lets take all the points raised so far
1. I apologise for calling Kenny Jewish. Sorry, I guess I'll never make that mistake again.
2. I am not a pigfucker, I do not have sexual relations with any type of animal (nor am I Welsh).
3. I am a massive SP fan, and did not make the post as a flame, or to get attention. South Park is one of the funniest, ludicrous and down right offensive shows on TV. We are all in this newsgroup, because we enjoy being amused. Maybe not offended, but definatly amused. However SP is also very offensive, and in the real world people can get offended. It says something when in half an hour a show can contain digs at homesexuals, jews, christians, blacks, and the greatest "minority group" of them all, the white male American. However at the same time SP trys to bring a bit of (in)sanity to the debates around genetic engineering, offensive TV etc. As fans of the show, in its newsgroup (really an unofficial fan club) shouldn't we try to bring some of that humour and a willingness to offend to the discussions going on. What I see as a South Park newsgroup is a continual, and very OFFENSIVE flame war, not pissy adverts for 4" plush toys and pseudo-scientific debates on the phsychology of SP. SP is about {{humour}} So to all those people who fired a quick knee-jerk reply to my message, perhaps you should think a little before acting. TO THOSE WHO WERE GENUINELY OFFENDED I EXPRESS MY SINCERE APOLOGIES.
4. I do not worship Adolf Hitler and I agree with none of his ideals. I am a member of Amnesty International, and am actively involved in their charitable works. Perhaps "my prejudice crap" is not really prejudice, but a real understanding of what SP is all about.
On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:40:26 +0100, "Tim Edwards" wrote:
YA know ..I been looking through the USeNet groups..trying to find a place to drop a load where ya wouldnt get "blasted " by rightous, analytical, pompous Yanks. Now cartoons ..there's a hope there surely? Huuummf .. no way!! They're everywhere!! Lighten up ppl ..fer christs sake its a bloody animated comic strip!! Not the almighty US of Arseholes bleating board! Our 'ol mate Ken gets creamed because its bloody hilarious an thats all..who cares if he (now some smart arse is gunna suggest kenny may not be a HE, or at least a full HE) has a shroud on the barbers pole or not! Or if dying and reappearing is some reflection on the strength of the Amish faith! Up this way (NT) we only just got the first series,the "pilot" was bloody funny and THATS all. Dont take some artiste's work and conjure up the woes of a foul society from it. OH yeah did I mention SP tells all what our ladies know? Us blackfellas make great lovers. WE know how to treat a woman!
Noddy Any one can drive this box of chips.. ...long as there is someone to talk you through IT!! Remove SPAM from ADDY an yer will get me!!<><><><>Devil tracks<><><><>
"Tim Edwards" floated from the shadows and hissed this towards the mob:
I don't know what you did but you sound reasonable to me. That's not a trick is it? Everyone else seems to hate you. I come and go alot because this NG seems to be filled with a lot of trolls and "yeah me too" or "what if" people that really don't have the mentality of 6 year olds. It's been a while since I've been here but I did see some of the others talking about you and a thesarus and that does seem completely unfounded to me. You talk perfectly normal as far as I am concerned. I have seen others try to use $50 words when they could have used the typical counterpart but I did not see that in anything you wrote.
I am not sure what your original statement was to cause such excitement but don't let it bother you. People, by nature, seem to be confrontational these days. I attribute most to miserably angry lives that they live to full desperation day after day looking for that one string they can pull to conjure up their best NG flames so their NG buddies will laugh and join in. Most of their arguments resort to name calling and have no real substance over the topic or post to which they are responding.
I agree that SP is a tasteless show about things we as adults imagined we did when we were 8 years old. Unfortunately, some people still act as if they were 8. If you'd like someone to take the lion's share of the flames then I'll do it. The people who were slamming you wouldn't know their head from a hole in the ground.
Speaking for myself, I don't know who this guy is and didn't personally attack him. the thesarus reference is in regards to another guy, a troll who likes to come in with an air of self-righteousness. He would talk as if he was so intellectually superior than everyone else and called some people here small minded. I haven't seen him around lately though.
Matt and Trey <<are>> Kenny. To some extent every one of us is all of the kid characters in South Park. Kenny is an underdog because he's poor. Other characters are oppressed in other ways, but the reality is that most children resort to cruelty and violence as a means of compensating for their feelings of inferiority, as do most of the children on the show. Adults can look at the unfairness and inequity on South Park and laugh at themselves, and maybe think a little.
abe hornberg
"If you fancy it, there it is, in your eye. If not, be it his that finds it."
On Mon, 03 Aug 98 12:16:00 CDT, [email] (H Alan Montgomery) wrote:
I thought the majority of Kenny's deaths were very creative.
It's not debated. That's the one episode everyone I know agrees that Kenny lives.
There is no real-life Kenny. He's a fucking cartoon. You're taking this far too seriously.
No we're not. You're putting too much thought into all this.
There is no real life Kenny. Go away.
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There is no reason for Kenny's deaths. It's just a running gag. however in the very first South Park, before it was South Park aka Santa vs. Frosty, Cartman dies, well it looks like Cartman and they call him Kenny. Later
I'll admit that the running gag of killing Kenny (almost) every episode is, in itself, funny in a superficially juvenile way. But that isn't all there is to it. On one of the 'fireside chats' on the video collection, Matt and Trey tell us that the reason Kenny always dies is because he is poor. That doesn't mean they hate poor people, it means they sympathies with their plight.
Listen, I know too many parallels are drawn between SP and other animated shows like The Simpsons, and Beavis and Butthead. But they all use animation, a traditionally 'kid-targeted' submedium, to make very adult points. Granted, all I've ever managed to glean from B&B is the farce of most authority figures seem to make of their position and the perceived pointlessness of adolescent life, but it definitely goes beyond being a funny show about self-mutilation, pyromaniacy, and masturbating in the bathroom.
The Simpsons seems to share something deeper with SP, in that the even with the (truthfully flawed) innocence of youth, the kids have a better idea of what life is about than the adults. Sure they laugh at the kind of things kids laugh at, and they make us laugh too. . . But when they make fun of Kyle for being Jewish, or Kenny for being poor, can't we see that these are responses programmed into them by the gerentocracy of their society? Take the end of the conjoined twin myslexia episode where only the kids seemed to understand what the town was doing wrong, and why the Nurse's response was not that of a selfish 'bitch,' but rather the appropriate response.
Matt and Trey kill Kenny because he is poor. Don't we, by our routine actions of post-industrialist consumption, in a way kill poor people everyday?
Douglas Rushkoff wrote in _Media Virus_ (1994, Ballentine Books p. 100-101) The most imaginative of kids' shows, though, appeal to the parents, too. In the tradition of . . . "Rocky and His Friends," most kids' shows are directed at the child on one level and at the parent on another. There is a subtle, usually satirical or ironic communication going on between the makers of kids' TV and the parents who are watching alongside their children. This communication almost always has an irreverent tone, as if to counterbalance the surface sweetness or moral uprightness of the show's main message.
This is why kids' television has become, perhaps, the media's best conduit for controversial memes. The shows, their styles, and their characters serve as innocuous veneers for the hidden agendas of their creators. The Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons, made in the sixties, were a tongue-in-cheek satire of America's cold war paranoia. . .
And they were great cartoons. Bugs Bunny picked on "high society", on people who were making money during the depression, and even on the studio that created him.
One thing people forget is that cartoons were never originally intended for children. They were entertainment for adults, shown as part of the day's movies. I don't know exactly when they became kiddie fare.