It sounds like Trey and Matt are in the "If you don't like cigarette smoke in your face, then why don't YOU go somewhere else - oh, and close all fast food restaurants while you're at it" camp.
(One thing I was half-expecting that they didn't use: have the whole "Butt Out!" thing being run by the tobacco company to show kids that "not smoking turns you into complete and utter lame-oids like us" (sort of how tobacco companies are really accused of doing something similar with their "Truth" TV ads). Then again, they pale in comparison to the new "Partnership for a Drug-Free America" ads about "Parents: the Anti-Drug", which sends the message "Don't be stupid enough to get caught!"...)
Speaking of messages, is that disclaimer that shows up at the end of the show - the one about the show being satire and not based on any real events - new, or have they been using it for a while? Reminds me of the "Some Celebrity Voices Impersonated" message that shows up at the end of "The Simpsons" every now and then.
Okay, how come in the commercial for this episode, the BUTT OUT singers made Butters pee his pants, but that scene wasn't in the show? I waited and waited for this scene. Dang it to heck.
Well if that's what it sounds like to you, you're not listening hard enough. They spelled it out quite clearly- The message on the pack of cigs says quite clearly that smoking is bad for your health. If you *choose* to smoke anyway, that's your right as an American. And as an aside, I've watched these anti-smoking, anti-drug commercials and I'm sickened by them. Especially the latest anti-marijuana one where they portray a toddler walking towards the edge of a backyard pool and implying that the toddler falls in, and then blaming the irresponsibility of the babysitter on marijuana- I was 15 once, and if I saw that load of crap, I'd think marijuana was completely harmless. I've smoked weed (as an adult) while babysitting and I'll tell you right here and right now- Pot isn't PCP, it isn't Heroin, it isn't even Beer or wine- If you're an irresponsible person, you're kids in danger, if your a responsible person who smokes pot- your kid is fine.
That said, I should also qualify my statements by saying that no child of mine would be allowed to smoke or drink or do drugs while under my roof- I'd invade their privacy, search their room, read their letters & diaries, force drug testing on them- what ever I feel is necessary to protect them.
"Buckaroo Banzai" wrote in message news:LQCzb.3367$[email]...
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Truth.com are a bunch of lying little pussies. I hate them. The thing that makes me most angry is that "Big Tobacco" is forced to pay for these ads telling people thay shouldn't use their product. America, the beautiful!
So nothing bad happened that time, but what about next time? I'll tell you this, if you babysitted my son and smoked pot at the same time, I'd kick your ass and I wouldn't pay you either. Do you agree that smoking pot does affect your mind in some way? Do you smoke pot and drive? If so, do you drink and drive? Would you drink while you were watching a kid by yourself? I'm not saying that you SHOULDN'T smoke pot (I don't, personally), but I am saying that you should be responsible with it. If you're going to take on a certain responsibility (i.e. like watching a kid) don't you think it would be in your and the child's best interest to have your head as sharp as possible.
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That's bullshit. I have a friend who smokes pot and drinks with some regularity. One joint affects him more than a can of beer does. He even admits that when he smokes, he's pretty much stuck at the place he happens to be, no more driving for him for at least a few hours (which is why he usually smokes at home). He can drink a beer and still be able to drive with no adverse affects.
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So what's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander, huh? Do as I say, not as I do? Like I said before, I don't smoke weed, and I would kick my son's ass if I ever caught him doing it. I do drink alcohol, and I don't believe I would have a right to be very upset with my son if I found out he was drinking, especially if he knows I drink. I would be pissed if he were doing something illegal, but that's just because I don't care for folks violating the law.
Yes, but so does a football game on TV that doesn't go my way. However, neither one affects my judgement or anything else concerning caring for a child.
No, I don't smoke weed in public.
You can't compare weed and alcohol. And no, I don't drink and drive.
I'll have a drink or two, but I wouldn't get drunk.
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I guess we just disagree on our definitions of the term responsible. I don't know if you've *ever* smoked pot, but I've been smoking it for a long time, and while it really affected me when I first began smoking it, now the affect is much more subtle. I think you may be buying into the fiction that's being sold about Marijuana.
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So, no one who's caring for a child should go to sleep? I promise you that even while stoned, I'm quite sharp. As a matter of fact, it provides me with a lot more tolerance for childish behavior so me and the kids get a long much better- I'm much more interested in what they're doing and saying so they've got that extra supervision that they may not have with someone who justs puts them in a room full of toys and tells them to keep quiet.
Well then, He probably shouldn't babysit while smoking weed, I guess.
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Way back in the day when weed used to affect me like that, I wouldn't drive either... or babysit for that matter, but those days are long gone.
I know a certain orginization that would disagree with that statement, but I don't.
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No, what's good for the adult isn't necessarily good for the child.... see the difference?
Yes.... would you let your kids do all the things adults are allowed to do?
As would I.
That's an incredibly stupid and irresponsible statement. An adult is an adult, and a child is a child. You'd not only have a right to be angry- you'd have a duty to be angry if you caught your son drinking.
because I don't care for
So in one breath you say you wouldn't have the right to be upset if you found out your son was drinking (which is illegal), then in the next you say you don't care for folks violating the law.
A little kid just needs the five minutes of you watching the first down and the subsequent referee rulings to sneak outside and get him or her little self drowned in some pool or creek...:-)
"Juan F. Lara" wrote in message news:bqo3hm$gg6$[email]...
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Actually less than 5 minutes... which is a good thing that I'm a *responsible* baby-sitter, which is why I record a game that's on that I want to watch and spend time with the kid instead. I hate to cite it as an example, but the movie "Half-Baked" illustrates the point I'm trying to make- a responsible stoned person can take a greater interest in spending time with the child while baby-sitting, than a responsible non-stoned person. When I baby-sit, the kids get my full attention whether it's video games, board games or playing with dolls... or whatever.
"Buckaroo Banzai" wrote in message news:zeMzb.3769$[email]...
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I used to smoke weed heavily but I gave it up about 20 years ago. One thing I noticed about my friends who kept smoking after I quit, they were stupid when they were stoned. They were unable to see it, because they were stoned. Being high distorts your perception of time and makes it difficult to concentrate, hence the term "spaced out" as applied to those high on weed. One of the problems is that when your perceptions are distorted, you cannot rely on your perceptions to tell you how distorted they are of if they are distorted at all.
In other words, you say weed doesn't affect you much now-- but I say that it may simply be more difficult for you to accurately perceive the effects of being high, because you *are* high.
Of my friends from back in the dope-smoking days, the only ones I know who still smoke dope have sh*t jobs or are unemployed and on welfare or worse.
My objective experience is that as long as you are a regular dope smoker, you will not be able to manage your life effectively. Your observations may be different.
I can't disagree with what you're saying, though I have to say that your while your observations are true of most stoners, it's not true of all of them. When I smoke weed, I don't get "spaced out" and my perceptions are not distorted- In my younger days, I used more than just weed- I used to use crystal-meth (I never have nor would I ever babysit a child while under the influence of speed) anyway, one night a policeman pulled me over (I was riding a bike late at night against traffic- as I always do) and noticing that I my pupils were dialated suspected I was under the influence. So, while looking at his watch, asked me to silently count out 30 seconds. Police do this because people under the influence of speed have a distorted perception of time. Well I counted in my head 30 seconds and let the officer know 30 seconds had passed. I nailed it exactly and the officer let me go. Maybe I'm an exception to the rule, and if that's the case, I don't condone people smoking marijuana while babysitting.
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I can see how you might think that, but it's not the case- I've always had a remarkable sense of my faculties even while drop dead drunk.
For the most part, I agree. That isn't the case with me, I've got a great job at an insurance company and get high at lunch almost every day, and still am a top performer in my unit.
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They are, but I have no less respect for your observations.
yeah i'm one of those people who when i get high, everything is kinda like slow-mo and time/space gets totally warped, maybe it's coz i'm a "rookie"(I don't get high that ,uch these days).
If I had a vehicle I def would't be driving nor would i be if i was drinking heavily and got tipsy or smashed
"Buckaroo Banzai" wrote in message news:fteAb.1065$[email]...
Well, I'm envious! The last time I got spacey like that was at the drive-in at a showing of Dick Tracy. I'm glad to know that you wouldn't be driving in either state- we need more people like that.
"Buckaroo Banzai" wrote in message news:fteAb.1065$[email]...
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Nor do I have any less respect for yours. I believe that you are one of those people (I have heard of others) who can smoke pot long-term without losing any cognitive abilities. I'd say you're lucky!
"Buckaroo Banzai" wrote in message news:zeMzb.3769$[email]...
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That's ridiculous! You can avert your attention from a football game on TV. Alcohol and whatever the narcotic (THC, THP?) in weed does affect your mind, even if its only slightly. I don't see how you can believe that is not the case. I know that if I were responsible for keeping an eye on my son, there's no way I'd drink a beer before OR during that time.
Driving your car ain't "in public." In public is sitting outside your office or sitting in the park.
Does alcohol have an afffect on the way your brain functions? Yes. Does THC affect the way your brain functions? Yes. There are comparisons.
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No, I haven't.
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What fiction? I've have a few close friends that smoke pot. With regularity (I'm talking almost daily). I've seen the way they are affected after smoking it. It isn't fiction if you witness with your own eyes.
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NOT IF YOU'RE WATCHING A KID! Jesus, man! If a child is in your care, you take a freaking nap? The only time I sleep is when my son is asleep, if I'm watching him. I think we may not be talking about "kids" in the same sense. I talking children aged 10 and under.
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Nope, which he readily admits. (Not to babysitting, but to doing, you know, much of anything)
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Yeah, I know several. I usually don't do it, only because I drink at home and when I start drinking, I'm not going anywhere. But if my wife and I go out and eat and I have a beer with dinner, I'll drive home because I hate the way my wife drives. I have, on occasion, asked her to drive.
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Depends on what we're talking about. We aren't talking about the priveleges that go with being an adult, like driving or voting or watching South Park. We're talking about behavior. If I smoke and drink and cuss in front of my son, I might be upset if he begins to behave the same way, but what sort of example have I set?
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Why, I do it. Again, its an example of behavior. If I do it in front of him, then what can I expect. The other day I was watching a football game and yelled "Bullshit!" at an extremely poor call by an official. I didn't know it, but my son was standing right behind me when I did this. Guess what? He promptly ran into the next room and yelled "Bullshit!" within earshot of mommy. How can I be upset with him if he is only mimicing behavior he just witnessed his father, one of the people he looks up to, exhibiting that type of behavior? The same goes for alcohol. If I sit on the couch and drink a beer in front of my son every day, I may be upset if I find out my son is drinking, but again, what sort of example have I set? It might be better if I DON'T exhibit any type of behavior that I don't want my son to participate in. That way I would have a right to get good and angry with him.
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I wouldn't have the right to be upset if I found out my son drinking if that was a behavior I was exhibiting in front of him, no. That's not to say that I WOULDN'T be upset with him, just that its kind of silly to be upset with someone for following the example YOU'VE set. I.e., Daddy cusses and swears when Tom Daschle is on TV, so I should too.
You can, and I can, but I've known plenty of guys that can't, or won't.
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So does caffiene and nicotine.
were responsible for keeping > an eye on my son, there's no way I'd drink a beer before OR during that time.
You would never drink *a* beer while caring for your child? Okay, obviously you take child care to an absurd extreme.
I can't even wrap my mind around the nonsense of that statement, even if I were high.
Or driving your car on *public* streets.
Does nicotine have an effect on the way your brain functions? Yes. Does caffiene, or cold medicine, or prozac have an effect on the way your brain functions? Yes.
The real question is, the degree of effect these drugs have.
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Well, how about the anti-drug commercial that states- of the drivers in accidents that were tested for marijuana, 1/3 tested positive. They use the dramatic visuals, and heavy music while the narrator is stating all this. But what they fail to mention is that of the drivers in accidents that were tested for marijuana, 2/3 did not. That means that statistically speaking, you're more likely to be involved in a traffic accident if youre *NOT* high on weed.
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Well, how do you *know* he's asleep if you're asleep?
As am I.
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What part of *all* the things adults are allowed to do, don't you understand?
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Well, by that reasoning you wouldn't be upset if he engaged in sexual activity, or decides that you need to be punished, or gave you chores to do.
You can expect him to obey you, and understand that as an adult and his parent you can do things that he cannot.
This surprises you?
How can I be upset with him if he is only mimicing
Because! As an adult, you can do things that your child cannot, and if you can't make this distinction you're a poor parent, with all due respect.
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example have I set?
What a bizarre mindset you have!
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While I respect the sentiment you're trying to convey, I think you have a very distorted view of what constitutes setting an example for your children.
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Good Lord, I just can't wrap my mind around that!
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So, in one breath you say you don't have a right to be upset, then in the next you say you *would* be upset with him? According to your beliefs, shouldn't your kid get off scott free and you should be upset with yourself?
"Buckaroo Banzai" wrote in message news:cOeAb.1084$[email]...
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I wonder how many parents would agree with that statement?
"In Public" = In such a way as to be visible to the scrutiny of the people. Your car is your private property. I would scream "You stupid M-F-ing SOB cock-sucker!" in public. I might however, in the privacy of my own car.
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So you agree with me that THC affects the way your brain functions, then? You may be the 1 in 1,000 people that a joint doesn't affect to any large degree, but then you would be the exception. Do you think its okay for people to drive when high?
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I'm not arguing this with you. Any time I see a "1 in X people" statistic, I automatically dismiss it as false. Usually, in order to arrive at this statistic people include circumstances that aren't directly related to the issue.
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My son's 3. He isn't very good at pretending to be asleep, he usually closes his eyes and proclaims "Daddy, I'm asleep" followed by some fake snoring. When he's asleep, I know he's asleep.
Smoking, sleeping, thinking its okay to drink alcohol you're watching a child. My friend, all I can say is that you are a very irresponsible person. It's no wonder you think its okay for you to get high and then operate a vehicle. I think in order to make an effective anti-drug commercial, one would just need to film an interview with YOU.
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Sexual activity is a different matter. My son does tell me "That wasn't nice" and has told me to "get in time out" and that he was going to spank me before. That's the type of behavior he sees in his mother and me. I can't be upset with him. All I can do is try to explain it to him.
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Again, another asinine statement. You can't expect a child not to behave the same way (s)he sees his/her parent behaving. Explaining it (especially) to a 3 year old is not good enough!
I don't want my child to drink. I won't drink in front of him. I don't want my child to smoke. I won't smoke in front of him. I don't want my child to swear. I won't swear in front of him. This seems distorted and bizarre to you. I get it now, you're a troll. Either that or an idiot.
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Because you brain is too fried from too much THC, obviously.
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I don't have sex with mommy in front of my child, moron. Jesus Christ, do you do that in front of kids too?
Um, what are their lies?
I'm NOT saying they didn't lie. But I had never heard until now any
accusations that they have been lying ( only that their commercials are really
really obnoxious. Cheap bashing of tobacco companies is lame. ). The lies
SP mentioned only referred to second-hand-smoke, which is very controversial.
"Juan F. Lara" wrote in message news:bqo3co$gdk$[email]...
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Well, you just mentioned second hand smoke. Truth.com asserts that second-hand smoke "kills about 53,000 people a year." Last time I heard, the verdict was still out on second-hand smoke. My dad and uncle GREW UP with second hand smoke, and both are very healthy. My mother-in-law, her two sisters and a brother all grew up with second hand smoke, and they suffer no respiratory or other illnesses associated with smoking.
Another is their story "In 1989 "millions" of cases of grapes were recalled after a small amount of cyanide was found in just two grapes. There is 33 times more cyanide in one cigarette than were found in those two grapes." Goodness me! What they fail to mention is that the grapes weren't recalled BECAUSE of those two grapes. Because of a threatening phone call made in Chile (the grapes' country of origin) the FDA recalled the entire shipment shipment because of SUSPECTED cyanide tampering, but ONLY found cyanide in two grapes out of MILLIONS of cases, and the cyanide amount found was not lethal. The cyanide found in the grapes was sodium cyanide (the stuff you read about in detective movies.) A lethal dose of sodium cyanide is about 150 mg. The cyanide in cigarettes is hydrogen cyanide, which is used as a fumigant in tobacco applications. A lethal inhaled dose of hydrogen cyanide is about 2000 mgs, there's about 10 mgs in a cigarette. Just about all of their "X product was recalled because of Y poison. There's about Z times more Y in a single cigarette than in X product" stories follow the same pattern.
"Juan F. Lara" wrote in message news:bqo3co$gdk$[email]...
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Here's a good one- You know how truth.com has those anti-smoking commercial where they state that smoking kills something like 400,000 people a year? Well do you know how they get that figure? The get it by considering any death of a smoker as being caused by smoking, so if a smoker dies of a heart attack- that's a smoking death, if they die from Lupus, that's a smoking death, if they die of Lou Gehrig's disease, that's a smoking death, etc. etc.
No - this one is at the END, just after the "Chef's Band thanks" logos. It says (and note it's not in the same typeface as the rest of the credits):
THIS PROGRAM CONTAINS SATIRE
AND PARODY. IT DEPICTS
ENTIRELY FICTIONAL SITUATIONS
THAT ARE PRODUCTS OF THE
WRITERS' IMAGINATIONS. THE
PROGRAM IS NOT INTENDED TO
DESCRIBE ACTUAL EVENTS,
PERSONS, OR ENTITIES, OR TO
SUGGEST ANY ASSOCIATION WITH
OR SPONSORSHIP BY ANY PERSON
OR ENTITY.
In other words, "No, we don't know of any big tobacco company that tried to kill some kid and then claim it was caused by second-hand somke, and we've never seen Rob Reiner actually get buttered to get out of a limo, so don't go around claiming that it happened because you think South Park parodied it."
Better idea: instead of the whole "formula concept parody" episode, Trey and Matt could have havd the parents, after seeing their kids get caught smoking, increase the amount of anti-smoking propoganda at South Park, only to discover that the ads' only affect being that every kid of South Park is now smoking. The message that will be portrayed here: the real cause of people smoking and taking drugs is because of the huge amount of BS generated from those anti-smoking and anti-drug PSA (in fact, as soon as the "Enforcer Mom" PSA comes on the screen, the first thing I do is change the channel to avoid watching that BS).
The message about cigarettes is that your health is your personal
responsibility. Rob Reiner was being very irresponsible: He was gorging
himself with Quarter Pounders nonstop ( I liked the gag of him taking a taste
of that butter he was using to slip out of the car. :-). The message I got
from that is that you CAN eat Quater Pounders and fries, BUT you should know
well enough not to stuff yourself with just that crap. ( Hmm, I wonder how
Trey and Matt feel about those hippie guys in England that McD sued for passing
out that McD bashing pamphlet ).
Although I wonder, can you really use tobacco that casually? True most
people can drink without becoming alcoholics, but isn't tobacco supposed to be
much more addictive?
[email] (Juan F. Lara) wrote in news:bqnqgp$a98$[email]:
It depends. Most people puke their guts out after their first cigarette and that's usually not an incentive to go on smoking. Most people I know including myself who smoke, started smoking while drunk or because they smoked marijuana and got addicted to tobacco that way. Alcohol and cigarettes, especially beer and wine make a perfect combination for some reason. There are lots of people though who smoke marijuana but don't smoke cigarettes I don't really understand how they manage not to get addicted to tobacco.
does there really have to be a "message"? this isn't school house rock here. these guys are just exploring an issue.
cigarette companys aren't allowed to defend themselvs on television no matter what the anti-smoking people say. this was a great way to get another point of view across.
as for the lies of the truth.com kids, i don't really care what they are. what i do know is that non-smokers die every day. what i wonder is, when a smoker dies in a car accident, does that count as a smoker death?
"The Ghost of General Lee" wrote in message news:[email]...
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The point is, do people who tell you "1 in 3 smokers die every day" count car accidents that as one of the deaths? The person died from a non-smoking related cause, but those who try to compile that stat see that the person was a smoker and also died, so BOOM "1 in 3 smokers die everyday" is factual, where "1 in 3 people die from smoking everyday" might be a load of crap.
Example: Bill Clinton's "14 children a day die from a gun." (using a stat from the Brady Campaign) He was trying to show how dangerous guns were to children, and illustrate how many kids die from gun accidents. However, to reach that statistic, the Brady Campaign used all gunshot deaths of people under the age of 19 and included suicides, gang-related shootings, and justifiable homicides. The reality is is that less than 500 "children" (aged 0-14) a year die from a gunshot, about 1.4 a day, and most of those are homicides. Less than 100 a year die from gun "accidents."