All the hype about Schultz's retirement has me wondering. How much of an influence did the Peanuts cartoon/comics have on Southpark, if any? The obvious similarity that comes to mind is the illustration style of the main characters with big round heads and small short bodies.
Charles M. Schultz/Peanuts
Jan 3, 2000, 10:07 PM ET38 posts by 23 postersalt.tv.southpark
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On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 03:07:49 GMT, "Bill K." wrote:
Ever see South Park Nuts on Mad TV?
Makes ya wonder...
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just watch "a charlie brown christmas" and follow it up with the first mr. hankey christmas show. whether there was any initial influence is debatable, but that one episode acknowledges the peanuts gang in a big way.
amy holden: "you've got a weird thing for canadian melodrama." banky: "i've got a weird thing for girls who say aboot."
All I wonder about is why someone with cancer would quit doing something he obviously liked so much. If it was me I'd want to keep at it even more. Maybe cut back to Sundays only, but not quit!
In article , "D.G. Porter" wrote:
That's what he's done, at least into February.
Part of it might have been because he was getting to be so poor at it. I occasionally read his comics and he hasn't posted anything funny in at least five years. His current stuff is nothing compared to his work up to about five years ago.
he hasn't published anything funny in five years, says the person who only occasionally glances at his comics? okay.
amy holden: "you've got a weird thing for canadian melodrama." banky: "i've got a weird thing for girls who say aboot."
Maybe so, but at least he allowed a silhouette of the little red-haired girl Charlie has a crush on to appear on one of the strips two years ago. I'm looking for that strip. So we'll never see Charlie visibly kick the football, and we'll never know what the red-haired girl looked like.
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I'm guessing she was kinda short with a huge round head. ;)
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Kinda like Garfield.
Jim Davis hasn't done anything worth noting in about 10 years.
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dumb children with no parental supervision, and access to a hammer.Dave wrote in message...
I heard somewhere that there have been other artists other than Davis have drawn/written Garfield over the years..
anyone know?
In article , "Covenant" wrote:
Some of the more accomplished cartoonists, like Garry Trudeau (and Davis, probably) concentrate on the gag-writing side of the job, while retaining a staff of subordinates to draw the actual strips themselves. In some rare cases (such as "Blondie" or "Brenda Starr") many different artists AND writers are employed.
Computer colorists are probably contracted as well, as most newspapers today run full-color strips on a daily basis. (For economic reasons, in the old days color was a privilege usually reserved for Sunday editions.)
<<All I wonder about is why someone with cancer would quit doing something he obviously liked so much.>>
I'm assuming that he must be very sick. I read somewhere that he felt bad ending the series as he did, without letting Charlie Brown kick that football. If that's the case, he must be quitting now because he really, really has to.
If he never lets Charlie Brown kick the football OR Lucy I want to strangle him!
D.G. Porter wrote in message news:[email]...
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He HAS alreaduy have him kick Lucy...
When CB was ill she made a promise to not pull away the football next time. She kept her promise He missed the ball and kicked her hand!
D.G. Porter said...
Considering the toll that treatment for the disease is likely to take on him, not to mention the fact that he's already what, 70+, I don't think he'd have the stamina to do the strip as it deserves to be done. Plus, if I were dying, I think I'd want to put my priority into spending the time I had left with my loved ones.
Tirya
D.G. Porter wrote in message news:[email]...
Because however much he likes it, he is still under pressure for deadlines etc...
And stress is the *last* thing someone with cancer should have.
Schulz explained this himself in his retirement message. (I can post it if anyone needs to see it.)
I think the cancer *may* be fairly well advanced. It was only discovered during another surgical procedure.
:'((
If you don't mind, Cove, I haven't seen it, and wouldn't mind reading it...
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No Probs Dave...
Dear Readers, Colleagues, Fellow Cartoonists and Friends near and far:
I have always wanted to be a cartoonist, and I feel very blessed to have been able to do what I love for almost 50 years. That all of you have embraced Snoopy, Charlie Brown, Lucy and Linus and all the other PEANUTS characters has been a constant motivation for me.
It is important for me to tell you personally that I have decided to retire from drawing the PEANUTS comic strip, effective with the daily release of Tuesday, January 4th, 2000 (and Sunday release of February 13th), in order to concentrate on my treatment for and recuperation from colon cancer. Although I feel better following my recent surgery, I want to focus on my health and my family without the worry of a daily deadline.
Thank you for your kindness and support over the years and for the outpouring of good wishes since my surgery.
Sincerely,
Charles M Schulz
He is retiring because he is physically unable to continue drawing the strip.
The final daily strip (which appeared Monday) consisted almost entirely of text.
There are a few Sunday strips left, but these were all completed before the stroke. All of them were drawn prior to his decision to retire (so don't look for any "closure" per se...).
Dw
In article , "D.G. Porter" wrote:
Yeah, but Schultz has been drawing "Peanuts" for HALF A CENTURY. Even the likes of Bill Watterson and Berke Breathed (two of the best comic strip writers IMHO) could only come up with ten years worth of material...
Too bad Garry Trudeau's "Doonesbury" won't go away...
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The mention of Watterson makes me wanna go get out the books and cry some more.
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I'm a bit surprised to find out Hank Ketchen doesn't do the Dennis The Menace strip anymore, as some anomonyous artist has been doing it, and using Hank's name, instead of his own. Go figure. I hope I'll never get the run-around from a syndicator is I ever do a strip myself.
Arigatoo to Sayonara, Chris S.
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That says one of two things: 1. Hank is grooming somebody to take over for him 2. Hank has a ghostwriter.
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If you watch the Charlie Manson Christmas episode (don't know the title), you'll see that they sing "Hark the Herald Angels Sing" to Charlie. They sing that to Charlie Brown in Merry Christmas Charlie Brown. Anyway.
bye!
Ah! That explains the title "Merry Christmas Charlie Manson". :^)
Look at a picture of all the kids sitting in class, the dirty one is supposed to be Pigpen. Their are a few others too, but I forgot 'um.
And the character "Token" is supposed to be franklin (the only black kid in the histroy of the strip).
"Metlhd3138" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Peanuts was pretty big when I was a kid, which is about the same time Matt & Trey were. No doubt alot of it got absorbed. Schultz was a very influential figure. Alot of archetypes have come out of that strip, and it's no surprise to see stuff pop up from time to time. I gotta say it just hasn't been funny in the past few years...it would totally rock if he managed to get it up for one last strip where Charlie Brown gets to kick the football. That'd more than make up for the lameness of the last decade.
Or maybe drop-kick his little brother instead. :)
Or kick Lucy in the head aiming for the ball as she lifts it beside her head.
I'd love to see Lucy get one up side her head after 40+ years. But recently her little brother Rerun was going to play ball with Charlie Brown, and Lucy was really anxious about getting him to pull the ball away. We never saw what happened. Rerun just told her, "You'll never know" and she screamed. A lot of what I didn't like about Peanuts was the "victim humor" aspect. Like a lot of Jackie Gleason's old stuff. "We're all victims, so let's laugh at it."
Peanuts has always been funny to me. I haven't noticed any difference. I admit, the humor has changed slightly, but it's still there. You just have to know where to look. :-)
(Steve remembers a strip where the gang is waiting at the bus stop. A single snowflake falls and Lucy's brother yells, "CLOSE ALL THE SCHOOLS!")
Like Family Circus? If you have to hunt for the humor, it's rarely worth the trouble.
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dumb children with no parental supervision, and access to a hammer.That would be a good ending! having Chuck kick that football, then he wins a baseball game by pitching a no hitter! ok, maybe thats a bit too much! :)
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In article , [email] (S.J.Carras) wrote:
I always thought he'd noticed her, but didn't like what he saw. Which is sane of him.
In article , Howard S Shubs writes:
I think it's not her he's interested in.
Look around the secrets in my site, and you'll see how much influence "Merry Christmas, Charlie Brown" has had on South Park. Specifically, episodes 110, 208.and 216. And the end of 313.
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