SP article from 7/20 USA Today

Jul 21, 199944 posts by 14 posters
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tirya

'South Park' bigger, longer and nearly NC-17 BY Andy Seiler USA Today

If the Motion Picture Association of America could do it over, _South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut_ probably would receive an NC-17 rating, not an R, says Jack Valenti, the MPAA's president.

"We probably made a mistake on _South Park_," he says.

But Valenti says he will never regret the board's NC-17 rating for Stanley Kubrick's original cut of _Eyes Wide Shut_, which resulted in Warner Bros. Blocking out characters in an orgy scene so the film could be rated R. (Kubrick's cut will play overseas.)

_South Park_, a raunchy cartoon that features foul language and sexual situations, and the erotic thriller _Eyes Wide Shut_ are the latest films to receive controversial ratings from the MPAA, which uses anonymous parents to rate movies.

"The only people who are upset about this are critics and directors," says Valenti, who has not screened either version of _Eyes Wide Shut_.

Critic Roger Ebert has led the charge against the R-rated _Eyes_, in which digitally created characters hide the copulating extras. He has called the edited version "ridiculous" and "a travesty." Other newspaper critics have echoed his views.

Valenti counters: "What bothers me is that some of the so-called intellectual critics think they can determine the standard by which these pictures should be judged. The Roger Eberts and these critics think we're deaf, dumb and blind."

But it is not only the critics.

"We may be in the minority of moviegoers, but there are a lot of us who care about this kind of thing," says Jim Wilkinson, 22, a Louisville film fan who has seen _Eyes_ twice and has criticized the revisions on the Internet.

Michael Acuba, a high school senior from Dumont, N.J., calls the MPAA prudish.

Nothing going on behind the blocking could have shocked the typical American teen-ager, says Acuba, who is just old enough to attend the movie without a parent.

Ebert has called for a ratings category that would distinguish between hard-core pornography and movies with tamer adult content that is too strong for an R rating.

Valenti says his lawyers have advised him that such a rating would be illegal. The present ratings system is the only thing protecting the USA from government censorship, he says.

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Tir

D.G. Portertirya

[email] wrote:

Valenti's a fuckwit. Who the hell is he to decide what my kid can see or not see? Fuck him. If I felt like it I'd take my kid to see SPBLU with an NC-17. The ticket taker can kiss my ass too. Where can i write Valenti? I need to call him a fuckwit to his face to make MY life complete!

Thanks a lot, asshole. I refuse to see the R version. I'll wait until I can see the original, even though I hear it's crap.

Fucking "parents" again. "Ooooooo, me have my own kid now. Me once thought the ratings stupid but now me got kids and me got to be careful! Me got to screen films so kiddy won't see evil penis! Me once smoke grass too but now me got to rail against 'drugs' since me got a kid! Me gonna forget what I know, me all skeered since me got kid now!"

I'm not a director and I'm only an "amatuer" critic, but FUCK YOU, VALENTI. Suck my cock, lick my ass, and fuck my uncle.

...WAIT A MINUTE! EBERT MAKING SENSE???????

Um, they're right, asswipe.

Yeah, except people with BALLS enough to face down people in government who would try censorship. Remember 1993's flap over "Bavis & Butt-head"? FUCKING WUSSIES! Well, the feds did get away with it in the '50s because nobody wanted to make waves. HEY KIDS. DID THEY EVER TELL YOU ABOUT THE BLACKLIST IN SCHOOL? How about the crackdown during the Reagan years?? ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE IN 2000 OR ARE YOU GOING TO SIT BACK ON YOUR ASSES LIKE SO MANY BOOMERS HAVE???

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StarlaKeyser Soze

Keyser Soze wrote:

Crucify him! Crucify him!!

Seriously though, if I had a child, I'd much rather she or he see something as natual and beautiful as two adults having consensual sex rather than something as unnatural and ugly as gratuitous, graphic violence. And what's the big deal with swear words anyhow? The only reason people find them "offensive" is because the rest of the world finds them "offensive." Society decides what words are "bad" and which ones are "not so bad."

~Starla

D.G. PorterStarla

It's like that old [geez I'm dating myself] George Carlin routine, "All of you words, over here; YOU SEVEN, baaaad worrrrrds! You do know the 7 words you can't say on tevelision, shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker and tits. And tits doesmn't even belong on the list! Actually, NONE of the words BELONG on the list, but ou can understand it with some of them, cocksucker motherfucker! There's a lot of heavy consonants going on there. But tits -- sounds like a snack -- actually it is...."

StarlaD.G. Porter

"D.G. Porter" wrote:

Didn't he also say something about how it's deemed "okay" to say, "I'm really pissed off at you" on network television, whereas you can't say, "I gotta take a piss."?

~Starla

Eric PerlinStarla

Starla wrote...

Carlin did his "7 Words..." routine back in 1972. Back then, you could not say "piss" in _any_ context.

Carlin pointed out that the word prick was sometimes okay, sometimes not okay, depending on its context. For instance, you can prick your finger, but don't finger your prick.

Ben AllenEric Perlin

Right, and some words are obscene in some contexts but not in another. So like in a Disney film you could say "Let's /snatch/ this /pussy/ and put it in the /box/." with no problems whatsoever.

Ben Allen, [email] "Modern society without organized religion would be like a crazed maniac without a chainsaw."
Stephen HopkinsD.G. Porter

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An American expat, T Bruce Tober, who now lives in Britain (and who recently was on the BBC Radio 4 PM programme) put those seven words in his signature file when the CDA was going through Congress and pending appeal by the Supreme Court. Remember the CDA? It got struck down in the end, much to the delight of ACLU and other civil liberties groups. Tober was making the point that the CDA, if enforced, would have crippled free speech on Usenet et. al.

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D.G. PorterStephen Hopkins

The "Commnications Decency Act." What the Republicans gave us as soon as they got controll of Congress. I remember hearing a tape of that slutbucket Donna Rice Hughes -- the gal who was sent to Gary Hart to fool around in order to bring his candidacy for President down in '88 -- shouting on the steps of the Supreme Court the day they heard the case, "What's wrong with a g-rated country!??? What's wrong with a g-rated country!??? What's wrong with a g-rated country!???" Answer: No SP:BLU!

StarlaD.G. Porter

"D.G. Porter" wrote:

Ewww... ::cringe:: If these fruitbaskets sincerely wish for a "G-Rated country", then they should all move to Iraq where religion is the law and nice, decent things like oppression of women and censorship are commonplace and accepted.

~Starla (funk dat!)

But it's FOR THE CHILDREN! We MUST KEEP OUR CHILDREN STUPID FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY! You see, you have to get back in the kitchen and keep pumping out the babies so that way the children will be all be nice and kind and not swear and make America what it once was, a country founded by a bunch of religious fanatics... you see, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and Abraham Lincoln were all cocksucking liars when they said that America wasn't supposed to be a Christian nation...

Rev. Matt Keeley - Moogian Clench http://listen.to/TODCRA http://www.mp3.com/TODCRAProductions "If you hate supermarket music, then
William LynchRev. Matt Keeley

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Not really for the good of the country as for the good of politicians and other assorted scum

Bill Lynch

Country, politicians, whatever, we must PUT THE CHILDREN FIRST!!

Rev. Matt Keeley - Moogian Clench http://listen.to/TODCRA http://www.mp3.com/TODCRAProductions "If you hate supermarket music, then
Ben AllenRev. Matt Keeley

And we must put the politicians' children FIRST AMONG CHILDREN, because they're the most precious children of all!

GUN!!
Ben Allen, [email] "Modern society without organized religion would be like a crazed maniac without a chainsaw."
William LynchBen Allen

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PULL!

Bill Lynch

(dropped like a stone)

LJ MoonStarla

Starla wrote:

Please don't start this George Carlin speech, we have heard it and heard it. You are speaking the gospel to the choir.

Thank you LJ

StarlaLJ Moon

LJ Moon wrote:

I wasn't. In fact, I didn't even know that I *was* until D.G. pointed it out to me.

Thank you drive through, ~Starla

Eric PerlinStarla

Starla wrote...

George Carlin has said that while he agrees with the idea expressed above, he would take it a step further. He would have the word "kill" replaced with the word "fuck" in all the old movies. e.g.: "Alright sheriff, we're gonna fuck ya now. But we're gonna fuck ya slow."

D.G. PorterWilliam Lynch

On my last radio program with Pacifica, I played a short excerpt from the movie "The Fiend Who Walked the West" where I had made it "dirty" by reversing pieces of tape, something usually done to mitigate the nasty words. The original had the hero smacking the "fiend" around and saying how much fun it was, etc. The version I played, my big middle-finger salute to KPFK, went, "...I think ffuc-ing you is the most fun I've ever had! ... the only way you're gonna stop me from ffuc-ing you is to be wearing a gun, snake! ... I'm gonna spend the next 20 years ffuc-ing you silly!"

William LynchD.G. Porter

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Pacifica! Why you liberal thing, you!

Bill Lynch

Stephen HopkinsStarla

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You make a good point, Starla. Parents of all people should know what their kids can handle. The responsible approach is to sit down and watch something with your kids, and be there to explain things and answer questions. Don't forget, of course, that the world through eight-year-old eyes can seem a scary place compared to the world seen through twenty-year-old eyes.

- -- Stephen Hopkins PGP key ID 0xE24AA972 on public key-server or e-mail me. "It's the alien anal probe! It's shooting fire from Cartman's rectum!" SP#101

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StarlaStephen Hopkins

Stephen Hopkins wrote:

Thank you. =)

That's too easy -- people always have to moan and carry on about things they find "offensive." For instance, I was bored one day, so I decided to read an article in some Fundie Christian crap mag and it spent the whole time focusing on the "bad" aspects of SP (the Death episode in particular), that they totally forget the ending where Stan says "If parents would spend more time being involved in their kids lives instead of worrying what they're watching on TV, this world would be a much better place." Why must they always focus on the negative side of things, you know?

~Starla

NathanD.G. Porter

I'm 19, and will vote in 2000. Unfortunately, I'm afraid the choices I'll be offered will be way too limited for my tastes. The collective political consciousness of the country right now is depressing as fuck. D.G. Porter wrote in message news:[email]...

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D.G. PorterNathan

Not as depressing as they were in '80. When I found out that Carter threw that election to Reagan I thought the US had gone to hell. Even if you can't vote for a big-name, VOTE ANYWAY. Even if just to anoy 'em! They do watch the tallies of 3rd parties. They won't admit it (in public at least), but they do. There are also initiatives on the ballot, and judges who should be tossed out.

Anyway, since the GOP is firmly in the grip of the religious thought-Nazis, "Anyone but a Republican" is my motto. Last election I voted for one Democrat and the rest split between Libertarians and Greens. (The Greens got an Assemblywoman elected into Sacramento last time.)

Hiro ProtagonistNathan

Damn Effing Straight. Transmetropolitan rocks. Too bad I stopped reading it after #3 'cuz I ran outta cash. D'oh!

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dbfD.G. Porter

You better hop Al Gore doesnt make it to the head seat in the white house....his wife Tipper was responsible for the "Explicit Warning" stickers on music in the 80s and the insitigator of "carding" to buy music

America is supposed to be the land of the free, but it seems all they do is have rules to prevent children from enjoying themselves!

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Ben Allendbf

*sigh*, and Bush the Second is just as scary as Gore is. Wonder if the Greens will run Nader again...

Pity no third party candidate will _ever_ win, but it's better than not voting at all...

Ben Allen, [email] "Modern society without organized religion would be like a crazed maniac without a chainsaw."
D.G. Porterdbf

I don't mind the warning label, it encourages me to buy the thing! 'Sides, any guy who smoked a ton of reefer in 'Nam and listens to Frank Zappa can't be all bad! Compared to ANY Republican, Gore is the obvious alternative. Of course, I hope Nader will run again.

Maybe that's because when the kids grow up they turn wussy and imitate what their stupid parents did? Look at all the boomers who were potheads in the '70s and now warn their kids about how MJ is this deadly narcotic...

Ben Allendbf

Yes indeed. And his wife gives new meaning to the term "batshit insane". And Shrub (Bush Jr.)...well, he's got some problems. Not the least of which being his habit of throwing hissy fits about people "defaming" him on the web...

I would have voted for Nader if I was old enough last time...hopefully he'll run again this time. Oh yes, anyone else hear anything about the rumors that Michael Moore (!) is thinking of running?

Ben Allen, [email] "Modern society without organized religion would be like a crazed maniac without a chainsaw."

Ben Allen wrote:

Yeah, I know.. it's Al "Whipped by his wife, Tipper "Stupid Cow" Gore" Gore versus George "WE MUST LIMIT FREEDOMS SO PEOPLE CAN'T TALK BAD ABOUT ME![1]" Bush "Retard" Jr. I mean, damn... Do you know what I would give for a halfway decent candidate that HAD A SLIGHT CHANCE OF WINNING?! Ugh.

I don't know.. I'll probably vote for Nader, but well, if Michael Moore runs.. I don't know. I assumed that the MM campaign was just a joke-rumor along the lines of "Hey, wouldn't it rock nads of he ran!" like they had in alt.tv.tv-nation last election time, but well, if he DOES decide to, then it'll be a poser. I mean, he's pretty cool on the corporation side, but well, he's got some wacky ideas in other realms that I'm not too fond of. But well, he's probably the closest to my own personal belief system, so what the fuck. And he's famous! Amerkins LIKE FAMOUS PEOPLE!

Matt [1] Yes, Bush DID say this. I'm not making that up. He actually said that there needs to be a limit on freedom, to stop against stuff like gwbush.com. Which is deeply fucked up.[2]

[2] And yes, I DID steal this format from tejumin9.

Rev. Matt Keeley - Moogian Clench http://listen.to/TODCRA http://www.mp3.com/TODCRAProductions "If you hate supermarket music, then

Yeah, those quadruple cappucinos will do that. Um, got any money? I'm like, on a tight buidget and don't have any extra bucks for weed this month, or something, m-heh!

Stephen HopkinsD.G. Porter

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You can write Valenti at the MPAA, whose mailing address can be found at http://www.mpaa.org.

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Yes, having kids can do wonders to instill a sense of responsibility and pragmatism that was hitherto dormant.

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Eeek! Just what I thought. Perhaps his conscience (or what passes for one) got to him after trashing BLU.

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D.G. PorterStephen Hopkins

That's not "responsibility and pragmatism," that hypocrisy and fear. Look, folks, I used to smoke grass alla time (still do when i can afford it) and all that stuff they're telling you are lies. Sure, some people do the proverbial "stupid fucking things" when they're high, but they do them when they're drunk too, and last time I checked, alcohol Prohibition was a failure and was repealed. Look, I think we al know that MJ is pretty benign. The US "drug czar" Gen. Barry McGoofy [I mean, McCaffrey] paid $1 million for a study by the Institute of Medicine, and what the report said was that the worst thing about smoking MJ is inhaling smoke. No gateway to harder stuff, no addictive properties, some medicinal benefit. Boy, did McGoofy sit on that one fast! And some of the GOP Congressmen who hadn't even read the report denounced it for "sending the wrong signal to our children." IOW, never mind the truth, our minds are made up. Doesn't this sound like that the CAP Alert says about the SP movie??

So when I see people my age and younger, people who know MJ is pretty harmless, going on about "I have to oppose changing the MJ laws now 'cuz I gotta kid and I'm worried," I feel like kicking their asses for being damn liars and wusses.

William Lynchtirya

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That's what NC-17 was supposed to be (the pornographers usurped the "X" long ago). Problem is most theatre owners don't distinguish and won't book an NC-17. Many (most?) newspapers won't carry ads for NC-17 movies. Boy, talk about censorship!

Bill Lynch

D.G. PorterWilliam Lynch

Ever see "The Front"? Woody Allen's character is confronted by some blowhard who has a chain of maybe 3 stores and he's calling the shots about blacklisting "commie" writers. Woody turns to Herschel Bernardi's character (Bernardi was blacklisted at one time IRC) and asks why this guy's being taken so seriously, and Bernardi's character replies, "Why make waves?" Most of these "entertainment" guys just want to get along and enjoy the perks. I mean, could you imagine the stink if someone like ... ME was one of those guys, and I got up in front of Congress and said "FUCK YOU" to Senators Barnacle (R-Bumfuck) and Blowout (R-Podunk) and had the bucks to pay any fine they levied on me for not kissing their anal sphincter-rings? SHIT! Might set an example for kids today! "Hey Johnny! Just because he's a Senator doesn't mean he deserves any respect until he earns it!" [Well, look at the example all those GOP-sters in the House set with that flap over a blowjob. Maybe Johnny already gets the message. Congressmen & Senators are dorks, especially the Republican moralistic finger-wagging sanctimonious ones. In the immortal words of "MacBird" when told "Congressmen complaining," "Fuck 'em!"]

it wasn't the flap over "blow job". It was the "LYING" about the bj. Damn, we all know he got one even b4 he finally broke down and admited it. This whole mess made the U.S. the laughing stock of the world. Clinton should've had her (Monica) killed to keep her yap shut. Hell, he's done it to others in the past.

Hey, that tape that Falwell is hawking, the "Chronicles," is pure bullshit. Don't believe anything those loons say about Clnton. Now, as far as International reaction, it wasn't Clinton's behavior that people overseas weree laffing at, it was the actions of the Sanctimonious Fingerwaving Moralizers and hyprocites like Henry Hyde, Dan Burton and Newty. We know people overseas, and the asked us, "Who cares? Why are those people so worked up about this???" If you don't know who these guys are, Hyde is a GOP Congressman who broke up a marriage, Burton (R-Indiana) sired a child out of wedlock and wouldn't pay child support (also he tested his theory about Vince Foster with a shotgun an a watermellon), and Newt Gingrich (R-Georgia, ret.) divorced his first wife when she was in the hospital for cancer treatment. I'm sure each of them thinks SP:BLU is horribler than horrible.

William LynchD.G. Porter

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One of my favorites is Bob Barr, asshole from Georgia. He's on his 3rd marriage, has been photographed licking whipped cream from the chests of two women, neither of which is his wife, and is the sponsor of the Marriage Decency Act. I couldn't make this stuff up - too bizarre. Then there's (almost) Speaker of the House Bob Livingston:-)

Bill Lynch

Oh, please. The bj should never have been "investigated", anyway. Perjury in a civil case - have you ever heard the testimony in a civil case?

Bill Lynch

Eric PerlinWilliam Lynch

At least while we're permitted to talk about it. Perhaps someday discussion of censorship will be forbidden.