You sure claim to have lots of evidence that Obama's birth certificate is fake, but is there any evidence that shows Obama's mother was in Kenya (which was actually called British East Africa in 1961) at the time of his birth? It doesn't matter where his father was born or where he was at the time, but obviously it would have been impossible for Obama to have been born without his mother being present. So where was she? If she was in Africa, there should be a record of her travel. I've never heard of this issue being addressed by you birthers, so I'm very interested in hearing what you have to say about it. Thanks.
On Tue, 3 May 2011 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT), vic arpeggio wrote:
First of all, I am not the only one who claims to know of such evidence. Anyone of common intelligence can easily find it, and confirm its validity for themselves. That is, if they don't let their personal politics get in the way.
Secondly, if you were really serious, you wouldn't bother to ask me; you would simply google, "obama's mother in kenya".
For any more questions, try www.obamacrimes.com.
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" . . . we shall arrange elections in favor of such presidents as have in their past some dark, undiscovered stain, some "Panama" or other - then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the retention of the privileges, advantages and honor connected with the office of president. The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands."
"The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion" Protocol X - "Preparing For Power"
I am serious about this, and I know you're not the only person who claims to know of evidence that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. I have also Googled the question about whether his mother was in Kenya at the time of his birth and found nothing credible. If you have some links, I'd be happy to check them out. In the meantime, all I found were more questions that I have to see answered beyond any shadow of a doubt. And you've probably heard this one before, but if the evidence is so convincing, why didn't Hillary Clinton's and John McCain's opposition research teams turn up any of it? It's impossible to believe that they were part of some huge conspiracy to make Barack Obama President of the United States in order to destroy the country. South Park's premise that Obama and McCain collaborated in a fraudulent campaign in order to steal the Hope Diamond is a lot more credible.
Here's the list of questions I found by Googling.
1. Why are there no photographs of Ann Dunham from when she was in Kenya? 2. Why are there no copies of passports showing that she or young Barack traveled to/from Kenya? 3. Why is there no Kenyan birth certificate? (Kenya was a British colony at the time, and the British were sticklers for such documents). 4. Why are there no other birth records from Kenya showing that Obama was born there? Why are there no newspaper reports? 5. Why are there no records of the thousands of dollars Ann Dunham would have had to spend to get to Kenya in the first place? Where would she have gotten the money? 6. Why are there no letters written by Ann Dunham in which she mentions that her son was born in Kenya? 7. Why wouldn't there be insurance records showing an insurance payment to a hospital or health care provider somehwere in Kenya? 8. At that time (as now), a person traveling to Kenya would have needed a Visa. You have to apply for a Visa. Where are the copies of Ann Dunham's Visa applications? 9. Where are the copies of Barack Obama's Visa applications for his return to the United States? 10. To get a Visa to travel to Africa, you have to get a number of shots and other medical treatments. Where are the records of Ann Dunham's medical preparation for travel to Kenya? 11. Why are there no documents from Obama's father showing that his son was born in Kenya? Wouldn't he have mentioned that to someone at least once?
And I suppose you haven't let your "personal politics get in the way" in regard to this subject. After all, everyone knows that "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is an unbiased, authoritative source.
On Tue, 3 May 2011 13:38:47 -0700 (PDT), vic arpeggio wrote:
Perhaps you shouldn't depend upon me so much, and do your own research. I have my own things to do, and cannot be expected to spend time doing research you seem to be perfectly able to do for yourself.
Of course. Such a brazen, and often quite open conspiracy as has been said to have manipulated recent history could *only* be made possible because it is so widely believed to *be* impossible.
That's just simple common sense.
I can only suggest that if you are serious about your quest, then you use the tools and skills you have on hand to continue to search for the answers you seek until you are satisfied that you have found them. It is neither my inclination, nor my responsibility, to spend my time finding them for you.
You are certainly free to suppose whatever you wish.
It is what it is, regardless of what "everyone knows", or even what everyone thinks they know. Personally, I would never seriously make any claim to know what "everyone knows", because doing so is simply nothing short of foolish to the Nth degree.
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JFK's "Conspiracy Theory":
"We are opposed, around the world, by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy, that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence; on infiltration instead of invasion; on subversion instead of elections; on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit and highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published; its mistakes are buried, not headlined; its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no secret is revealed."
"I can only suggest that if you are serious about your quest, then you use the tools and skills you have on hand to continue to search for the answers you seek until you are satisfied that you have found them. It is neither my inclination, nor my responsibility, to spend my time finding them for you."
C'mon, Kenny. That's a cop-out. If you're going to make specific accusations, it certainly is your responsibility to back them up. It's not unreasonable to expect you to answer questions about your assertions.