When does Martin Sheen's contract run out for this show? The closing of tonight's episode made it look like he was going into a coma or shock or something.
West Wing: Is Barlett DEAD?
S09E03 WingretroDec 15, 2004, 10:15 PM ET98 days before it aired74 posts by 31 posters
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And the bastards didn't show any previews for next week either....
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message news:On7wd.6259$[email]...
That's because next week is Christmas week, and the week after that is the week between Christmas and New Year's,and the week after that is New Year's week.
New episodes probably won't show up until at least mid February, early March.
next episode is Jan 5th - Title - Faith Based Initiative
"Citizen_Cain" wrote in message news:VO7wd.37$[email]...
While I can't imagine WW without Sheen, I'm going to have to get used to the idea at some point I guess.
The Prez is not dead. The powers that be have developed a knack for sensational endings this year. By all rights, Leo was dead in the woods after a massive heart attack. I half expect Barlet to walk off Airforce one 10 minutes into next week's episode.
And if he is... well, both Leo and Spock came back from the dead - Barlet can too.
PS - new thought: Remember when Goodman became President? Is there any way that could be interpreted as a term in office? Any way it could be interpreted that Barlet has had two, 1 year terms? Not likely - just a twisted thought.
Brian
"Citizen_Cain" wrote in message news:057wd.28$[email]...
"B Man" wrote in message news:Lo7wd.13779$[email]...
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Next week's episode is a re-run, if it airs at all.
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"B Man" wrote in message news:Lo7wd.13779$[email]...
You can't be ELECTED to the presidency more than twice.
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You can be president a total of 10 years.....2 terms plus 2 years, because of events such as Goodman's character. Or, for example, finishing an assasinated president's term for 1-2 years and still have the ability to be elected for 2 full terms.
"jonparent1" wrote in news:1103174574.321647.205560 @c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
I suppose that after serving 10 years as you describe, an individual could then get elected as someone else's Vice President and become POTUS when that person does in office.
...because many if not all the threads in this episode were about cliffhangers in some form or another -- regardless of its melodramatic plausibility; hack.
as opposed to an interwoven tapestry of prose and verse with serious narrative, story and dialogue that leaves the audience connected with a desire for more; playwright.
"A playwright � is � the litmus paper of the arts."
- arthur millerIn article , [email] says...
Anyone for President Jimmy Smits?
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1097711816582_184? hub=Entertainment
See above -- they've considered this -- Bartlett is in his last term.
In article , "Citizen_Cain" wrote:
Well's melodrama that he passes off as good writing i guess.
Another sucky episode.
" . jim" wrote in message news:[email]...
I was just wondering what sort of shape he was in. When Abby was closing the door she didn't look distressed, just serious. So he wasn't dead yet. But given his health before that he may have fallen unconscious or something.
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:15:20 -0500, "Citizen_Cain" wrote:
Or had a heart attack, or a mild stroke. He was sweating, and they were loosening his tie. I know two people with MS, and had a cousin die from it. It doesn't kill you that fast and it's the inability to swallow that eventually kills. My cousin lived 30 years with the disease until she could only move her eyeballs. pepsi
To each his own... I thought it was a great episode. I liked that they aren't showing MS as a walk in the park. I loved how Donna taught Josh to listen to her, and most of all, I loved seeing Josh make a decision at the end. bj
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:15:15 -0500, "Citizen_Cain" wrote:
God killed him. -Rich
"RichA" wrote in message news:[email]...
Probably because of his bad pronunciation of Latin.
Did Mr Chips rap his knuckles with a ruler for saying the 'c' like a 'k' all the time?
in article [email], RichA at [email] wrote on 12/15/04 10:33 PM:
There's a different President God should be dealing with.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:48:58 GMT, trotsky wrote:
Shouldn't advocate killing the President, traitor. -Rich
in article [email], RichA at [email] wrote on 12/16/04 8:49 AM:
Your Freudian slip is showing, Rich. Who says "dealing with" means "killing"? For you to think this says more about you than me.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:20:59 GMT, trotsky wrote:
Tell me what you had in mind as to God dealing with him, a swarm of locusts? Watch the answer; Remember, there's plenty of room in Cuba for people of your heritage. -Rich
in article [email], RichA at [email] wrote on 12/16/04 2:15 PM:
It was said in the abstract, Rich. Besides, what could be worse than having to go through life with no more than two brain cells to rub together? How about being President of the United States and having eggs hurled at your vehicle during the inauguration? I can only hope they try water balloons filled with urine this time.
Watch the answer; Remember, there's plenty of room
Whatever that means. If this is more of your "fuck human rights" you have no business discussing America in the first place. Moreover, Canada's the popular spot to gain access to N. America, right? What the fuck are you doing about it?
Besides the fact that you're clearly reading more into it than what trotsky wrote... aren't you Canadian? And thirdly, do you realize the West Wing is fiction?
in article cpsp70$9kv$[email], Andrew Ryan Chang at [email] wrote on 12/16/04 1:55 PM:
Thank you.
That would be similar to last weeks ep where we were told that a huge asteroid was going straight for Earth.
I have really liked this season so far. I thought it was very interesting that Josh chose Jimmy Smits character...I guess I should have seen that coming though. Sidenote, I work in marketing/advertising and usually run across some neat stuff that hopefully I will be able to share with you all. It seems like veryoen around here is really friendly, and I'd love to share. Anyways, I can't wait to see what happens at the end of this season, which way everyone goes.
"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )" wrote in message news:[email]...
that was the same episode DA
Are you a dumbass? The ep this week had the asteroid play out and Barlett maybe dying at the end as the teaser. We won't know whether he died until the next ep, just like we were teased in the ep before about this asteroid thing that came to nichts. Face it you are a dumbass.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:56:45 -0800, Bill Bonde wrote:
I think you're being a bit harsh. The "killer asteroid" revelation didn't come in last week's episode proper, but in the "Next Week on The West Wing" promo. Whereas Bartlett's collapse was actually a scene that took place in last night's episode.
Brian
I no longer watch the show and am just bouncing through this NG to see what's up. I now see there's talk of an asteroid. Why doesn't it just kill all the WRITERS?
Is Justice dead? Nex
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Alan Pollock wrote:
The asteroid was the transitory "C" storyline in last night's episode, serving mostly as comic relief. The two main A and B storylines are Bartlet's deteriorating health from MS during a summit in China, and Josh's search for a strong candidate to run as the Democratic nominee for President to succeed Bartlet. Of course, the asteroid missed Earth (and it wouldn't have been an "Extinction Level Event" anyway).
I started losing interest in TWW a couple of years ago when Rob Lowe left (and I'm really surprised how much his departure hurt the show) but I think it has improved considerably this season. I could have done without Leo's heart attack, but I've so far liked C.J. as the new Chief of Staff and Kristin Chenowith as the new Press Secretary.
Jimmy Smits is interesting as the likely but reluctant Democratic candidate, and Alan Alda is actually playing a Republican candidate who is not pompous, a doofus, or a born-again zealot. Either would be a good choice to launch West Wing Phase II next season with an all-new cast.
Brian
In article , Brian Thorn wrote:
I'd like to see Smits or Alda - but if it would mean wells staying in charge, cancel the damn thing.
"Brian Thorn" wrote in message news:[email]...
she's not the press secretary....she's just helping toby (as I'm sure she'd tell you herself)
I think we'll have to see Smits in charge with Josh as CoS, Will as Speach Writer (possibly with his onscreen sister - Danica McKeller assisting him) and I'm sure he'll get donna back doing something and probably Charlie.
I hope they get rid of everyone else, Leo, Toby, CJ etc....I wouldn't mind Rob Lowe coming back though.....I'd deffinatly fight to keep Josh, Will, Donna and Charlie in the cast though and possibly have leo making guest appearences....having Rob Lowe become the VP would be a bit unrealistic but would be very good - young VP and Pres at the same time and it means Lowe would only mave to make a few appearences a year and probably get paid a fair whack per episode....
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:29:29 -0000, "Major ChrisB" wrote:
Except that they went out of their way to say that Josh is happier where he is, working the Hill, etc. That's why we ended up with the improbable CJ-to-CoS storyline. If they were setting up Phase II to have Josh in Leo's job, then why not start this season?
Egads, no. I despise that whiny Will Bailey. Besides, he's firmly in Russell's camp and I think Josh just burned some bridges there last night. Charlie, maybe, but I've had trouble swallowing his "promotion" to CJ's staff. If Josh stays, its a safe bet Donna will too, but they've done this "will they or won't they" tease to death and they need to go somewhere with it soon. I like Toby, but they haven't seemed to have any idea what to do with him for over a year now, so maybe it's time he left.
Well, I think they blew that option with their petty "hopeless election" storyline for Sam's departure. If he'd won, he could have made occasional appearances as an ally in the House, but no, they wrote him out completely. The only worse fate would have been to have Sam get killed in an LA earthquake or something...
One development that I'm afraid of: C.J. becomes VP next season. Back in TWW's heyday, I figured the final episode of the series would take place 20 years in the future, with Sam being sworn in as President, Josh his CoS and married to Donna, Charlie in the House, maybe CJ in the Senate...
Brian
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:52:55 -0600, Brian Thorn wrote:
Josh could hardly have walked out on Bartlet right after getting a promotion.
What's Josh's official position?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:23:28 GMT, [email] (David Johnston) wrote:
Unless Bartlet is forced to resign due to MS. That would put Russell in the Oval Office with Will most likely his Chief of Staff, freeing Josh to depart for greener pastures and the new campaign.
Brian
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:10:33 -0600, Brian Thorn wrote:
Anyone that debilitated would have to resign. It would be foolhardy not to, and a danger to the country. -Rich
Woodrow Wilson didn't resign after his stroke.
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:13:03 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:
I don't know what Wilson's condition was, but Bartlett can't remain awake for long periods, he's paralyzed (for now) from the chest down. He was paralyzed from the neck down for awhile. He apparently died, so I'd say he can't remain president. -Rich
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:21:32 -0500, RichA wrote:
We haven't seen that.
No, he isn't.
Only briefly. When last seen, Bartlett had the use of his hands (brushing his teeth, I think.) He was too exhausted to hold himself up at the sink with his arms and collapsed.
I don't think Bartlet is dead... Abby would have looked far more distraught when she closed that door, I think. She looked worried, not in shock.
Brian
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:46:46 -0600, Brian Thorn wrote:
His bitch wife made him slam his head on the ground. -Rich
Clinton never did.
"RichA" wrote in message news:[email]...
Regan had Alsheimers while in office - a far more mentally disruptive disease...MS victims can have no function bellow the neck and still have the mindset to run the country.
Your most successful Wartime President led the country from a wheel chair and hid that fact from the american people the entire time in office...
Brian Thorn wrote:
That would be a little tough, now that Donna has quit, wouldn't it?
.:. Craig
Down but not out. Since they provided absolutely no clue what happened to her, it's a cinch that she's going to resurface working for somebody else in the administration... somebody providing more options for advancement. I'd bet money she isn't gone.
Besides, she's too easy on the eyes to just toss out with the trash.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:11:31 GMT, Craig Smith wrote:
Maybe they wrote her out because her character has been used up? -Rich
Maybe she was written out because her character is too passive. She can conjure up a firestorm and a wealth of information, but she doesn't actively push it on the staff like CJ does. I guess the passive just get run over.
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:11:31 GMT, Craig Smith wrote:
Not in the least.
Brian
Brian Thorn wrote:
How can Donna "stay" when she's no longer employed there?
.:. Craig
She can become romantically involved with Josh?
Stephen Jenuth wrote:
You're missing the point. One can't *stay* if one has already *gone*. One has to *come back* if one has gone.
.:. Craig
Craig Smith wrote in news:[email]:
I think you're missing the point. They were talking about staying *on the show* when they new cast comes in post-election, not staying *in the current administration*.
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:48:28 GMT, Stephen Jenuth wrote:
Drive one more nail into the coffin of the show. -Rich
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:57:11 GMT, Craig Smith wrote:
She can return. In fact, she already quit once during the first campaign and returned later without giving Josh an explanation (until a couple of years later).
Brian
"Craig Smith" wrote in message news:[email]...
I'm sure there a lot more required to quit a senior white house assistants job than simply walk out and phone a temp.
"Brian Thorn" wrote in message news:[email]...
see I'd be much happier with Josh marrying Joey Lucas or Amy than Donna.
Whats happened to Amy this season btw, never seen her once.
"Major ChrisB" wrote in message news:uROwd.583$[email]...
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I think that Amy is still the First Lady's COS. At least I don't remember anything about her leaving that role. As for the actress, she had a baby, did a movie and has a series upcomming (on showtime?). I don't expect to see her on TWW except perhaps as some cameo for an episode or two.
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:39:43 -0600, Brian Thorn wrote:
Heroically securing the last-minute deal with China over North Korea, then his corpse is loaded off the plane, to let Jimmy Smits become the next Democratic president, the first Hispanic, or whatever he is. To serve for 1000 years, while West Wing devolves into pure fantasy and it's rating falls to the low single-digit. -Rich
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:05:00 -0500, RichA wrote:
I seriously doubt Bartlet is deceased.
Er, VP Bob Russell (Gary Cole) would become the new President.
Brian
As usual, Barlett know everything, explaining to his 'advisors' that the worse case scenario would be if the thing hit in Siberia, thus causing what he termed an 'impact winter'. This is similar, of course, to 'nuclear winter', something that fanatical On The Beach anti-nuke kooks worry a lot about. Does anyone know what time of year it is supposed to be? I find a huge firestorm in Siberia unlikely if the time of the event is in the Winter, outside the normal fire season. What time of year was the The Tunguska Event in 1908? Looks like in the Summer yet no 'impact winter' from that one:
#begin quote What was the explosion?
Because the meteorite did not strike the ground or make a crater, early researchers thought the object might be a weak, icy fragment of a comet, which vaporized explosively in the air, and left no residue on the ground. However, modern planetary scientists have much better tools for understanding meteorite explosion in the atmosphere. As a meteorite slams into the atmosphere at speeds around 12 to 20 km/sec or more, it experiences a strong mechanical shock, like a diver bellyflopping into water. This can break apart stones of a certain size range, which explode instead of hitting the ground. Some of them drop brick-sized fragments on the ground, but others, such as the one that hit Siberia, may produce primarily a fireball and cloud of fine dust and tiny fragments. In 1993 researchers Chris Chyba, Paul Thomas, and Kevin Zahnle studied the Siberian explosion and concluded it was of this type -- a stone meteorite that exploded in the atmosphere. This conclusion was supported when Russian researchers found tiny stoney particles embedded in the trees at the collision site, matching the composition of common stone meteorites. The original asteroid fragment may have been roughly 50-60 meters (50-60 yards) in diameter. #end quote
How big was the thing Barlett was worried about? Bigger than 60 metres?
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:08:56 -0800, "Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )" wrote:
No, but if anyone knows when the New Hampshire (or was it Iowa?) filing deadline is, we'll know. TWW is currently a week or so before that date.
June 30, 1908.
Brian
"Brian Thorn" wrote in message news:[email]...
Given that they are putting up Christmas decorations in the White House, and Josh clearly interrupts Rep. Santos' family putting up a tree or something like it, it seems pretty clear that it is something like mid December.
same here, i loved the show and then when rob left? ehh. rob was great. the last season wasn't so hot, but this season has been great, especially the episode where cj took over as chief of staff, that was the best episode of tww in years.
i don't know much about jimmy smits, i never watched nypd blue but i really enjoyed him when he was on tww, looks like he'll be on even more now, that should be good.
everyone in the cast is replacable, so long as they do it like they have been, slowly. although i don't know how the shows going to do without martin sheen, i can't see anyone filling those shoes. since next season will probably be entirely devoted to the election i guess they'll slowly give him less and less face time next season to get everyone used to the idea of him being gone. im sure they'll spend all of next season on the election. i can't see ms cutting sheens term short, i can see it being a season cliffhanger but he needs to stcik around for one more season.
"sam" wrote in message news:adEwd.28206$%[email]...
for me the show is Josh and Will. I could do with out the rest. I really like Carol and Donna and think they need more air time and promotions with whoever carries on the show next year (and I really think it has to be a democrat so Smits or Russell. Personally I'm a huge fan of Gary Owen's in Office Space and One Hour Photo and thought he'd be a great addition to TWW but they havn't used him as much as I'd like. Personally I think have to get Smits to stay on, Teri Polo is coming on as his Wife which is great as she's another Sports Night veteran to join the show and it shows Aaron Sorkin must still have some pull with the show. I know when Smits signed on for this season both him and polo got a multi-year option at the end of this season implying if the show survives with a new president then he will be it and they'll be back next year.
And remember the show started about 6 months into Bartlet's presidency so theres no reason they can't have Smits win the election before the season is over...they've missed out a year sometime in the last 2 season so I dont see why they can't jump to election night and have smits win then close the show on Bartlet dying....then start season 7 with the state funeral for Bartlet which would incorporate flashbacks to unseen campaign stuff and Smits hiring people to run his White House then have episode 2 be a last few days of Bartlet's life episode focusing on Sheen and Channing with Charlie, CJ, Leo and Toby all making their last appearences then episode 3 have them jumped ahead again to the inauguration with Smits being sworn in as Pres.
Ideally if I could choose everyone my cast would be:
Exsisting Characters: Smits - President Teri Polo - First Lady Josh - Chief of Staff Will - Policy Advisor and Senior Speach Writer Elsie Snuffin - Deputy Senior Speech Writer Amy Garner (Gardner?) - First Lady's Senior Advisor
New Characters: Terry Kinney - Vice President Megan Ward - Press Secretery (with Carol assisting her)
Greg Grunberg - dunno but I always find him very funny in everything I've seen him in Lee Tergesen - again dont know what role but I'm a big fan
I was going to suggest Reiko Aylesworth for a role but she's already been int he show before IIRC.
I'd also like to see another Sports Night star, Sabrina Lloyd in some role..as well as Tom Cavanah from Ed who was in an episode of Sports Night but I never remember him being in TWW before...he's a fast talking funny guy the way Sorkin writes and would work well in a role.
I dont think any promotions given to current characters are to unreasonable and the new characters could easily be realistically established. I'd also keep Donna in the show in some position but I dont know what, perhaps assistant to Josh or maybe in Debbie's job.
On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 05:40:40 -0000, "Major ChrisB" wrote:
(Gary Cole)
I'd dump the whiny, ungrateful Will as fast as I could. With him being on the Russell campaign, that's an easy exit. Instead, I'd bring back Marlee Matlin's Joey Lucas to be White House Communications Director (Toby's current job.)
Been there, done that. How about Deputy Chief of Staff? Bartlet once commented she was challenging Josh in that job.
Yes, she was the best friend who sold out the call girl Sam was seeing, in the first season. I wouldn't let that stand in the way, though... very bit part.
She's turning up next in "Numbers" on CBS.
Brian
"Brian Thorn" wrote in message news:[email]...
Doh...
I like Will, I think his character has been ruined since he went with Bob but if they put him back with the real folk I think he'd shine without Toby on top of him. I loved Joey Lucas' character and hope she would be back more if Josh got a promotion in the next administration....if they show the campaign I'd hope he'd bring her in to help the campaign.
I was thinking that actually...but I'd like her and josh to get together if not Joey Lucas and I dont think she could as DCoS...too much conflict with Josh if he was CoS.
so she was....I remember now, I was thinking she played a soldiers wife who was waiting for news of her husband who was lost in the iraqi desert....dunno why I just immediatly went to that character when I realised she was in the show.
Cool....not heard much about it....will go look it up.
It was a teaser at the end of the ep last week. That was my point, suggesting that like the asteroid came to nothing, they didn't even budget a cool special effect, president Barlett will likely be back next ep playing racket ball or something. The other person started with the dumbass stuff, I just reacted.
"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )" wrote in message news:[email]...
HE HAS MS!!! He can be completly paralised from the eyebrows down for about 3 hours and then be back up and running around fit and healthy about 30 minutes later....it's entirly possible that bartlet be playing racket ball a week later...
and you, you dumb sob, said that the asteroid happened in LAST WEEKS episode when in fact it didn't, it happened in this weeks episode, there was no mention of the asteroid last week....and dont try and fob it off by saying you were talking about the promo...you were not, your a dumb ass who probably is commenting on a review rather than actually having watched the episode....just shut up and dont offer your opinions on me or on shows you dont have the mind set to pay attention to for 43minutes a week
Most people have this version of MS that comes and goes anytime. In the next episode the president could be working like this attack never happened.
Sabu
"Citizen_Cain" wrote in message news:057wd.28$[email]...
"David Johnston" wrote in message news:[email]...
Same reason you did, I imagine.
"David Johnston" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Yes you did.
Simpsons did it?
"Andrew Ryan Chang" wrote in message news:cq002q$iko$[email]...
What the hell are you talking about -- you TROLL?