ACHTUNG SOUTHPARK FANS!! The Halloween episode kicked total ass. Kenny dies like 5 times and gets to eat people. Cartman is by far the funniest thing ever to be on television. His costumes were the greatest. There is nothing like this on the air. It is the most offensive, vulgar, gross, violent, disgusting show of all time and it is awesome. Simpsons, Beavis and Butthead, and King of the Hill are nothing but dildos. South Park for life!!!
SP Halloween PInkeye Kicked Ass!!
S01E07 PinkeyeliveOct 30, 1997the next day96 posts by 54 posters
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I was in tears from laughing so hard when the chef saw him his KKK costume. The Hitler costume was also pretty funny, but I thought he looked alot like Costello from Abbot and Costello! <<<<<<>>>>>> [email] Wiseguy S.A.D. http://members.aol.com/Toltic2/Freeworld.html
I thought Cartman was like Larel and Hardy, until I saw the shawstica...(sp, I know, didn't take german). I almost peed my pants...
Sad to say it, but I don't think this episode will ever get aired again...
Owlynne
[email] (Owlynne) wrote:
I hope you are right about that! I can't believe the posts I've read here following that episode! I checked this newsgroup, sure I'd find more outrage, and only find infantile reactions about how 'cool' it was. This show has always been offensive, but now I'm almost glad to see that they have stepped over the line (again).
The people responsible have never publicly apologized for ridiculing Jesus. Unfortunately, it seems to be politically correct these days to bash the religion that founded this country. Dressing this Cartmen character as both a Nazi and a KKK member will be their undoing though! This offends groups who are active in stopping this sort of flagrant disrespect.
Enjoy the show, folks. It's days are numbered. And I'll pray for all of you.
God Bless, Edwina
Elvyra,
To assume that people who disagree with your beliefs and have different standards are "in a lot of pain" and having some sort of "reaction of their conscience" is ludicrous and plain ignorant.
Whether or not you can imagine or understand it, there are billions of people in this world who are not Christian... and I would wager that the ratio of "content and well-adjusted" to "deranged or lost" is about the same for Fundamentalist Christians as for the rest of us!
You must have been one pitiful soul before you found JEEEZUS. Perhaps that's why you assume that the rest of us are pitiful, in pain, and lost.
Oh yeah, and get a friggin' life. It's just a TV SHOW for christ's sake! (And the funniest one I've ever seen).
And if you *can't* get a life, I'll be glad to take up a collection to buy a catapult so you and your ilk can hurl yourselves at Comedy Central's offices in protest.
Edwina, Roberts wrote:
Phillip Crews wrote:
Dear Phillip,
I worry about others watching the show. What sort of messages are they receiving? That it's ok to offend as long as it's done in the name of humor? Have you read about all of the anti-Semitic plays being performed throughout Germany during the rise of the Nazis? They were stereotyped and ridiculed both on stage and in popular song. The general German population was subtly beginning to buy into it as Hitler came to power. I don't think Germans are any more or less naive than the average viewer of this show. An evil message, sugar-coated in 'comedy', is just as dangerous as one of Hitler's harangues from his podium. Perhaps more so. Think about it.
God Bless, Edwina
At least _you_ got it right, Bob. Edwina (Ed's weiner?) is obviously just trolling for victims of his/her nonsense. This _person_ obviously watches the show _and_ comes to this newsgroup . . . to save our souls? I don't think so!
Gary M. :^)
ok...not that i usually post here...but I guess i'll throw my $.02 in as a passive watcher...or should I be in alt.fan.highlander
A...the stuff that this country was founded by Christians.... Since when do you recite the Pledge of Allegiance and take out "One Nation Under God"?...some Christian wrote it way back then...it stuck...end of report. What do you think the Pilgrims were? They were Puritans...the foundation of Christinas...plus they hated Catholics! go fig! :)
B...edwina's comments (Everytime I see that name I think of Adrian Edmondson in Bottom) and what you guys have been slamming back with...I think the line is "If you don't like it...ignore it"...um...so you preach and then not go by your teachings??...jus tlet her ramble on and on...
C..The whole thing that southpark is Satire...Bullshit! If that's what you call it...fine...I call it two guys pushing the censors to the limit in a fiendishly evil experiment to offend the different groups out there to encite their rage and in doing so boost the ratings for the show....And THAT'S exaclty why I love watching South Park (and the fact the Cartman kicks ass...)
D. As for the Jesus thing...I'll agree...i really don't like seeing it either...But then again, that's what we were taught...Make fun of your friends, your family, your enemies...BUT NOT GOD! So it sticks...but like you all say..i ignore it...but yuo got to admit: Stan: Goddamnit! Jesus: I heard that...that rocks! :)
(Putting on flame resistant clothes and wielding a very large Kitana (told you i like Highlander))
rebuttal?
Gary M. wrote:
In article , [email] says...
Hmmm. Well said. However, I don't think offending people is the MAIN intent of the SP guys. Someone will ALWAYS be offended by SOMETHING.
I think they're just trying to make people laugh. Both at the show, and as you said, at themselves.
well...o.k...I guess the show is basically offensive sometimes. But, if you actually care or are emotionally hurt by what a piece of cardboard says, then...well. I dunno...
The only thing I really care about is if I laugh or not. And, well... I do.
MIKE
Come to think of it, the show really doesn't offend. It shows how society is affecting the youth. And it shows how stupid it is. I don't know if I'm the only one in the world to do this or not, but I doubt I am. I find life funny. I sit back and look at the big picture and think to myself "What a fucked up place we live in". All south park does is take that big picture and shove it into a little computerized cardboard cutout of an 8 year old who is only doing what he knows.
South Park actually does what I do to reality, and softens it not to be offensive. When I make fun of religon, I don't soften it down to just Jesus fighting Santa over the spirit of christmas, I go around quoting Nietzsche and/or claiming myself to be Jesus, because I might as well be.
South Park has a moral, weather or not people acknowledge it or not. Maybe its time for people to open there eyes and take things for what they are, and not hide behind a wall of insults.
Love ya all,
Nietz
In article ,
For what it's worth, the "under God" phrase was not part of the original version of the Pledge of Allegiance. This was added in the 1950's.
--Mark
In article ,
The mood of the country, I suppose. It was during the Eisenhower administration and the height of McCarthyism.
(I like your sig, BTW.)
--Mark
I believe the answer to that is McCarthyism, in an effort to insure kids didn't grow up to be godless little commie dildoes.
"...under God,..." was added by an Act of Congress in 1954, to be exact.
Ian McClarty wrote:
The words "under God" were added to the Pledge of Allegiance in the 1950's as part of McCarthyism. Find any copy of the pledge written before the McCarthy era and the words "under God" will not be in it.
Puritans were not the foundations of Christianity. Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy predate Puritanism by 1400 years. Puritans were Protestants and Christianity was around long before the Protestant Reformation.
I see no reason why Jesus should be less of a target for humor than any other historic or mythic figure. Certainly the tenets of other faiths have been mined for their comedic value. In fact I would submit to you that "South Park" treats Jesus a lot better than the likes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, Bob Larson (the greatest of the Jesus satirists) et al. All "South Parks" wants out of Jesus is a good laugh, not your life savings.
Thomas Hughes wrote in article ...
telling us
kill
Additionally, flaming them beats the hell out of the "standards": this is not a binaries group; death to aol'ers; jeez there are 400 posts about the first episode; visit my kickass southpark sight/don't post about your under construction &/or just plain unoriginal web sight; and the obligatory long unsnipped threads where some fools each added a single sentence. to name a few.
they add something new new, albeit annoying, to the group and unify the group against them. but that can be said about allot of people.
On 1 Nov 1997 16:37:24 GMT, [email] (ZAKANY) offered this unto Shub-Internet:
Would that I could, but I have no killfile. And it's fun to bitch at them, sometimes. All the time when they bitch back. The one problem with aruging against pyscho-christians is that, in their minds, they have the ultimate response: it's gods will. Or something similar to that. As far as they're concerned, that's it. Game Over. You have lost, I have won. Then they get all uppity and just keep falling back on that until they get scared and run away. Which makes all the effort worth while.
Gary M. wrote in article ...
Very obviously a big fan of Mr. Garrison as well.
Gary M. wrote in article ...
Edwina is a troll that we used to have over in alt.aol-sucks, where s/h/it also trolled under the name "Carla Spears", as someone else in this froup mentioned.
A couple other names were also used, if I remember right (Fluffy? Frizz?)...
Again: don't feed the troll.
<sigh>
[email] (posterkid) wrote:
And you, sir, are a troll!
Now now, they have to reply to eachother.
It's pretty damn pathetic to be 'outraged', yet the only one who gives a shit.
Smells like Fred Winterer. RAR!
Who knows how many more...
I'm almost afraid to DejaNews the sumbitch.
On 5 Nov 1997 16:50:51 GMT, [email] (posterkid) offered this unto Shub-Internet:
That's when you call the nice men in the white suits.
That's what I did. I found like 4-5 articles for Edwina, saw someone call s/h/it Carlton Spears so looked that up. Saw someone call s/h/it Carla Spears and just kept going. Then I got tired. It was quite fun, though.
Bob the Soul Crusher wrote:
B e n j y C o m p s o n, I am more than sure because I noticed this morning, is still trolling in alt.aol-sucks.
Posterkid! That's where I've seen you before, in alt.aol-sucks! How ya doin'? I was reminded of what a troll was when I came here so I went back to alt.aol-sucks this weekend and there s/h/it was.
Typical. :(
Hiya!
a.a-s is truly the place to be to grok trolls in fullness.
Of course, then you have *.advocacy, where you see wankers with the exact same qualities as all of the trolls, yet are just idiots. Quite a bit like alt.christnet...hmm...
Elvyra,
What "evil message" are you talking about? Have you ever seen the show??
You miss the entire meaning of the show. South Park makes *fun* of bigots, pokes *fun* at racists, shows how stupid Nazi-types are. Good god, it's SATIRE! That's why it's so frigging funny! If you're afraid people will do evil or become evil because of something they've read or seen...
(Oh my god -- maybe people ARE that stupid -- I just remembered all the "Good" done in the name of the "Lord" through his "Word:" The Inquisition, the Crusades, Jerry Fallwell, PTL, Northern Ireland.)
You don't need a life, just a clue!
-Phillip
Edwina, Roberts wrote:
Not to mention the Plague. In the dark ages, rather than try to find connections between effects and their causes, people just assumed that certain presumtions were right. Black cats were seen to be witches, and the fever soon grew to include all cats. So people started killing cats, not simply killing them, but visciously torturing them. In any case, as the cat population declined, the rat population went unchecked, and fleas which fed on the rats were the main vehicle for transmission of the disease. The witch craze was a product of religion at the time, the funny thing is, it has never gone away, though it ebbs and lulls periodically.
Dearest Edweiner, Or should I say phoney supercilous sanctimonous person desperately seeking attention. Lets just keep it comfy and stick with Edweiner.
You don't understand the show. You wouldn't know satire if it took a chunk out of your left morbidly obese buttock. You seek to bolster your flagging self esteem by presupposing to take the moral high ground.
In reality your lack of content in an intelligent conversation has forced you to seek shelter with your before TV crutch.
If it offends you tuck in the liquid sack protruding from your convex forehead and turn the channel. If that is to hard to do simply perform fellatio on a shotgun.
Your morality sucks and I further insist you live by my definition of morality.
God Bless, Jeem, because he's so damn handsome.
The major diferences between Nazi propoganda films and South Park would have to be one of two things. The first being that South Park is not spreading hate in any way shape or form. And it is not setting up stereotypes either. Instead it is making fun of those stereotypes and letting people laugh at their own stupidity and bigotry.
The second major difference is the fact that South Park targets *everyone*. It doesn't just single out the jews or homosexuals or gypsies. No, it makes fun of everything. From Messiah's to children's Fantasy Christmas figures to Actor's careers who have failed to Brian Boytono <sp?>. It is not bigotry. If it is anything it is against humanity itself because the creators of the show do no like what humans have become. And it is spreading this message to the masses.
Nietz
As a Jewish-American and an avid South Park fan, I see your point, but I don't see the validity behind it. This show is an obvious masterpiece in satire, and is geared for an older audience then you might suspect. People who watch South Park are not nearly as naieve as you think they are: they aren't going to go rush out to their local costume store and dress up like Adolf Hitler (not that there would be a costume available anyway). I found the Halloween episode to be incredibly hysterical, despite Cartman's cameo as Hitler, which had me rolling. I've studied the Holocaust as intensely as an individual can study it, and I not only have a responsibility to remember it, but to shrug off, or even appreciate, the satire that South Park created the other night. We live in a different society now. South Park does not evoke an " evil message, " it simply mocks evil messages of years past. Think about THAT. If you'd like to discuss this further, you can e-mail me...anyone else, for that matter.
[email] wrote:
I'd hate to see the messages she recieves from Oral Roberts. (A preacher named "Oral"... must work those mouth muscles like Beijing girls)
Zealots are all the same. Religion is like alcohol, best when taken in moderation.
Eddie... please keep watching the ptl club and stay away from Comedy Central. (I'd hate to see what she thinks about GODSTUFF on The Daily!)
Jake
Religion is like alcohol. A crutch for people who can't deal with reality. Heh heh.
Hey, man, I live in fucking Oklahoma. Oral Roberts has this whole little stranglehold in Tulsa. He erected this huge phallus shaped tower no shit. And he talks to a 4000 ft Jesus. He says anyway. Then he gets investigated because he buys cadillacs and writes them off as church expenses.
What does God need with a cadillac?
James in Oklahoma City
On 4 Nov 1997 13:32:35 GMT, [email] (A Big Zero) offered this unto Shub-Internet:
<snip>
Well, when god wants to go down to the Maxi Mart, he wants to cruise in style.
A Big Zero wrote: *snip*
Hey, god needs a lot of leg-room.
I would think that a BMW would be more God's style.
Gary M. :^)
Some people say that the only reason I am on television is because I want your money. And you know what? I do want your money. Because God wants your money. So go ahead. Mortgage that home. Sell that car. You don't need that car.
Isn't Oral Roberts the name for 2 gay guys named Bob?
Dear religious freak,
Dude, get a grip. It's a cartoon show.
Then why do you watch the show and read this newsgroup? You are the one in obvious pain because there are people out there who do not share your beliefs, and that makes people like you crazy. Here's a hint Ed honey, people like us LOVE to make people like you crazy, it's fun.<G>
-Laura
Laura,
It's painfully obvious to me that you are close minded and narrow. I've never understood why people like yourself cannot tolerate differing religions (if you even have one) and belief systems.
Edwina is troubled by this show. Quite honestly, the show lacks any kind of entertainment value or moral core, and you take personal issue with her because she is speaking up with her disgust? This is still a free country with first amendment rights. It's people like you and everyone else that have jumped on Edwina's case that would stifle our freedoms and make entry into a controlled totalitarian society.
You are un-American.
Fred
.................................... I suppose that means that only Edwina has 'first amendment rights'? No one else can challenge 'her' narrow beliefs?
Fred, you better get _your_ bitch ass in the kitchen and help Edwina make us some pie!
Gary M. :^)
and besides "Edwina" is really some dude named (?) Charles, so ole Ed is a gay homosexual with delusions of morality..
........................................... hehheh mehhehheh (LOLROTF)...yeah, and make it PUMPKIN PIE cause it's that evil Halloween night!
Gary M. :^)
Oh, good GRIEF ...
Most of us are just intolerant of intolerance. Jesus is fine; it's his fan club that worries us.
According to YOUR standards.
Which Laura is exercising.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Hee hee hee!
Thank you for your testimony, Senator McCarthy.
Only to those who would take away my freedom of choice. And by the way, I'm Roman-Catholic.
-Laura
Laura wrote:
Non-practicing of course.
-Laura
Edwina is not being injured here; she's being disagreed with. It's hardly sensible to burst into a room full of fans with a contrary and inflammatory viewpoint and demand that everyone quickly acknowledge its superiority. If Edwina can't handle being disagreed with, she needs another forum -- perhaps a roomful of stuffed animals would suit her.
If Edwina is "troubled," this newsgroup is the *stupidest* place to her to seek support for her neurosis. I myself am troubled by religious fundamentalists and the Ku Klux Klan, but I don't visit their places of assembly to try to secure assistance in fighting them. Frankly, though, Edwina sounds like she'd be "troubled" by operating a toaster.
You have that backwards. Edwina herself has claimed, several times, that she plans to mount an effort to *silence* South Park. Yet none of those speaking against her on this thread have yet suggested that *she* be muzzled (though the image does have a definite earthy appeal).
I doubt anyone here cares how "un-American" you think we are. For one thing, it's a lame, nebulous insult. For another, the Internet is a *worldwide* thing, not an American product or principle. Nobody here is obliged to demonstrate their Americanism. Thus, those who dredge up the inane "First Amendment rights" argument, besides usually being squarely on the wrong side of it (since it's usually *they* who are advocating restricted speech), are demonstrating a profound ignorance of the very entity upon which they are preaching.
Edwina remains free to post her bilge whenever she wants, and she can post virtually anything she wishes. What she *cannot* do is tell others what they may post in reply. She also cannot demand that others hold sacred the same things she does. She has the same right to revere her various icons and idols as we do to spit on them. *That* is the test of freedom.
[email] wrote:
Well, she can tell us, she can demand, but she can't make a horse drink.
Laura made the baby Jesus cry by writing this:
Because Edwina Roberts is a troll. Don't feed the trolls, kiddies.
first off, im glad to see you passed 8th grade lit, excellent use of the commas. second, you are one ignorent and uptite piece of shit.
i appreciate your interesting views on politicaly corectness, but maybe you should get a life! its funny, and my friends--jewish friends--thought (i learned that -- thing this year, maybe one day i can be cool like you) it was some funny shit also.
maybe you should pull that lit book out of your ass and lighten up.
-blurr
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Dear Edwina, God loves all his children except pompous sanctimonous prigs. You may now bite me.
-Jeem, ps tell your mother she looks great on the cover of Crack/Whore magazine.
======================================================================== http://www.mcs.net/~jjd Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. tbtw#6. s.s.m#8. There ain't no more I wish I would have a real tragic love affair and get so bummed out that I'd quit my job and become a bum for a few years, because I was thinking about doing that anyways. - Jack Handey ========================================================================
Well, well........looks who's back!! It's our good friend, Edwina. Haven't you died yet? Guess not. Damn!!
doubt this is a reaction of your conscience; it must recognize the wrongness of this show even if you won't admit it. Take care of yourself and your soul, AL.<<
What exactly is the "wrongness of" the show? You religious people remind me more of Satan then any non-easily-offensed-cause-i-am-stupid person.
Jordan, "When Marge first told me she was going to the Police Academy, i thought it'd be fun and exciting, you know, like that movie Spaceballs. but instead, its been painful and disturbing, like that movie Police Academy" -Homer Simpson "SQUISHY, NOT SQUOOSHY!"
On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:04:48 GMT, Edwina Roberts wrote:
Are YOU back again? Listen, I know you're a fraud; I've checked Deja News and read your past garbage. You pulled the same crap in alt.tv.star-trek.voyager earlier this month, but most telling are your posts in alt.aol-sucks and alt.flame, one of which read:
Doesn't sound very pious to me...now go back to rec.autos.sport.nascar with the rest of the Jews!
"There's no Jews in rec.autos.sport.nascar, you retard!"
"I'll kick...you...in...the...nuts!"
Edwina, Roberts wrote:
It was great!
You're too sensitive. They ridicule EVERYTHING they touch! Besides, I didn't think it was that offensive. I especially liked when Jimbo was praying to Jesus for a score in the football game, and Jesus said "Leave me alone." Think about it.
Oh, come on! Telling people that Hitler was good and we should all be like him is one thing, dressing up a kid in a Hitler costume and displaying his ignorance and confusion to the reactions he gets is quite another. Does it even matter what they do with the Hitler costume, or is its mere presense enough to offend? The KKK costume was funny because it was supposed to be an inoffensive ghost costume. But Chef made it clear that it's not acceptable.
Besides, you obviously haven't read the warning at the beginning of the show. It said that due to the nature of the show, it should not be watched by anyone. You have only yourself to blame.
[email] (Gregory Loren Hansen) wrote:
I worry about others watching the show. What sort of messages are they receiving? That it's ok to offend as long as it's done in the name of humor? Have you read about all of the anti-Semitic plays being performed throughout Germany during the rise of the Nazis? They were stereotyped and ridiculed both on stage and in popular song. The general German population was subtly beginning to buy into it as Hitler came to power. I don't think Germans are any more or less naive than the average viewer of this show. An evil message, sugar-coated in 'comedy', is just as dangerous as one of Hitler's harangues from his podium. Perhaps more so. Think about it.
God Bless, Edwina
I LOVED that costume. Both of them, actually. It was a perfect example of this thread. How one can find something inoffensive, and another can find it the most outrageous lack of decency. When a child dresses up as a ghost, not realizing how politically incorrect it is to look like a KKK member... As far as the Hitler costume, maybe they were making a statement about how the youth in this country are becoming more and more unaware of the planet's history. Could it have been a statement about the attitudes of youth? Of the school systems inability to be able to teach many of them due to the various factors? Maybe there IS a moral lesson here, and maybe it's not the blatant bullshit that's on the surface (see cartman wear hitler costume = Hitler is cool and should be emulated? I think NOT.) Could be that the issues in the world today are actually being looked at (and displayed for the public) in a different way to maybe get the point across that has not gotten across in the normal fashion? I'm NOT saying that SP is sending those deep hidden messages in hopes to make this world a better place. As far as I'm concerned, it's a TV show that is one of the funniest I've ever watched. But I DO think that this edwina person should maybe look a bit deeper, think a bit more, and see that no matter how you look at it, there may be NOTHING WRONG with watching it.
John
[email] (P3DaysOut) wrote:
Dear P3,
It's not as if I feel I have a constitutional right to not be offended. I just don't see why humor has to be twisted in this way. Are the creators of this show so short of imagination that only shocking images can sell it? Read the posts in this newsgroup; it's all about this shocking phrase, or that shocking image. Rarely, if ever, are there any real comedic moments discussed. So many viewers seem to have an elementary-school sense of humor - "ooo...he said butt!". I pray that the creators of this show will use whatever creativity they have to make something funny. I don't mind if it's a little risque; but does it need to offend Christians, Jews, and African-Americans? Of course not!
By the way, I have a life. Two actually; my life after this one will be everlasting, in the presence of our Lord. Think about that.
God Bless, Edwina
Edwina Roberts made the baby Jesus cry by writing this:
I didn't think trolls went to Heaven. Go back under your rock, dear.
On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, it was written:
Not if the "Duck and Cover" sequence (arguably the funniest thing on TV all year) is any indication.
Now you're talking about the followers, and not the show itself. If I judged Jesus the same way, I'd call him a right bastard for what happened in his name during the Crusades and the Inquisition.
It also needs to offend gays, politicians, rednecks, gun nuts, crack whores, celebrities, and more Christians! Equal rights for all!
Are you joking?
I was wondering, with all of this praying that your doing, How do you find time to write these endless posts ?
funny, i didn't realize the country was founded by a religion.
-catherine
Catherine Skidmore wrote:
Neither do a lot of other people. And it's not funny. Perhaps you should read a book, dear. This country was founded by Christians. We are a predominantly Christian country to this day, though freedom of religion is (thankfully) guaranteed. I don't care what religion a person is, or if that person is an atheist. Just understand that for most who are religious, their beliefs are sacred. Why must this show religion-bash in the name of comedy? It simply won't do. Friends of mine who are more activist in this area are laying the groundwork for a challenge to this show - perhaps in the form of public debate. We'll see. Until then, I'll pray for you all.
God Bless, Edwina
Oops, I just looked in DejaNews. Seems that "Edwina Roberts" is a falsified name (with no address) used only to post fundamentalist Christian diatribes against various television shows. It's probably also a guy in e-drag. In other words, we've been trolled and I should really have known better. Sorry to pollute.
Rob
You know what? You're as much of a spam whore as that falsified nameddddddddEdwina cunt. GET FUCKING LOST ASSHOLE!!!!
And by the way, get your bitch ass in the kitchen and make me some pahs!!!!!
Gail Warnings
Gail Warnings wrote:
Ohhhhh.....coming from someone who uses Juno, I'd take that with a grain of salt. (like I should talk posting from AOL ;->).
-Laura
Please tell me that was a typo and you weren't telling me to get a lost asshole. If not, I must say that is the first time I've ever seen that remark.
Wasn't this what Cartman said for WOMEN to do? Last time I checked, I was still a guy, but I'll make sure to check again tonight just incase I got a sex change without my knowledge.
Yeah? So my mother is on the cover of Crackwhore magazine. What's your point?
Nietz
Uh, no?
I'm not sure that means we've been trolled. IMHO a lot of fundies would want a concealed/false address, considering the inflammatory nature of their postings. A troll, if I'm not mistaken, is a post made to draw offended responses just for the hell of it. Edwina may indeed be a guy, but I don't think we can conclude he/she is doing this just for fun.
On 3 Nov 1997 01:41:35 GMT, [email] offered this unto Shub-Internet:
I wish it were true, but Edwina is a flat out, warty to the extreme troll. 'She' alternately bitches at people about swearing in a group and drowning the in enough obsenities to make a sailor blush.
Haven't you ever seen what a few well-selected cocktails can do to one of those prim, straight-laced old biddies? ;) If not, visit my swarm of Italian aunts at any big holiday dinner. (Well, ummmmm, ya can't now -- they're all dead -- but you get the idea....)
Mark
Edwina Roberts wrote:
Actually the founding belief of this country is the belief in Wakan Tanka, the Great Spirit followed by the Native American Nations for thousands of years before all those good christians came over from Europe and proceeded to shoot them, stab them, starve them and ultimately drive them into the desert and the sea. As for the Founding Fathers, as pointed out before, they were Deists. Hell, Thomas Jefferson found the Bible to be so offensive that he edited and published his own version. Benjamin Franklin was a prodigious writer of pornography and boffed every lady in the French Court while negotiating French aid to the US during the Revolution. Jefferson owned slaves and made a mistress out of one of them as well as being a regular pot smoker (as were many people in the colonies). Thomas Paine (publisher of "Common Sense") was an atheist. The letters, papers and assorted writings of the Founding Fathers all speak to their contempt of organized religion for they all had first hand experience as to what that institution had done to Europe. Besides which Fundamentalist Christianity didn't even exist until 1912 with the publishing of "The Fundamentals" so it cannot be ascribed to the Founding Fathers. If you want to learn about the religious history of the United States you should try reading those books your pastor *doesn't* want you to read.
Considering some of the things christians have said regarding other belief systems it seems rather hypocritical to be getting sensitive when someone draws a bead on you. I have heard various programs on christian radio attack and ridicule Mormanism, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Wicca, Baha'i, Hinduism, agnosticism and atheism. Making the blanket claim that people who don't believe the way you do are all going to Hell and are under the thrall of Satan is pretty offensive to someone who's a devout Muslim, Buddhist, witch, etc. As far as religions go Christianity's the new kid on the block. At only two millenia christians have got nothing to say to Hindus who have been around for 7000 years or Wiccans who've been around for 10,000 years.
I'm sure you'll be as resoundingly successful as the Southern Baptists and their boycott of the Disney Corporation. Given that Disney makes the bulk of it's earnings in the global entertainment market it will be interesting to see how the SBs try to convince the people of Scandinavia to adopt american sexual attitudes. "South Park" is a rarity among the current crop of TV comedy shows. Unlike "Beavis & Butthead" you have to be educated and thinking to appreciate the humor in "South Park". You have to be observant and you can suddenly find yourself laughing at something you hadn't noticed when you first saw the episode (i.e. Did anyone notice the lump at Mr. Garrison's beltline in his dress during the Halloween episode?) Offensive humor has a history going back to the theatre of ancient Greece. Comedy has always been a weapon used to challenge and upset the status quo. If you think "South Park" is the first time christianity has come under satiric attack you need to bone up on your classic literature. Authors and playwrights once were imprisoned if their works were deemed "inappropriate" by the powers that be. Now artists have the freedom to find meaning and humor in any subject that catches their attention. Ultimately "South Park" ridicules american complacency in the illusions we hold about our culture. It exaggerates the reality of America and then holds it up in a way we cannot ignore. As offensive as they may seem the kids in "South Park" are quite tame compared to real 8-year-olds out there. None of the kids in "South Park" has ever done anything comparable to what goes on in the newspapers every day. The warm, fuzzy view we like to hold about american families nutured by shows like "Father Knows Best", "Leave it to Beaver" and "Happy Days" was never true. I'm sure every person on this newsgroup knew a kid like Cartman once. I sure did when I was in school.
In future please specify which one.
Oh, I can just see it. A half-dozen plump-cheeked fundies lined up in a prim little row, taking turns bellowing brimstone into the mike, barfing up platitudes about "proper" and "respectful" behavior, while the rest of us imagine what each one would look like with an 80-foot satellite dish up her ass.
So far, Edwina has threatened this "challenge" from her "friends" three times in less than two months (that I've seen -- maybe more). Either her "friends" are even slower than she is, or the promised "challenge" has been given what little attention it deserves and nobody noticed. (Can you say "public access"?). Most people in Edwina's camp are too stupid to organize "public debate" among anyone but their supporters, and too chicken-shit to participate in debates organized by anyone else. That's why the bitch arrives here every few weeks to make a single post, and leaves.
So, not to worry. There'll be pie for everyone. We can spoon it off Edwina's face.
Mark
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I can see it now, Edwina and her friends demonstrating in front of Comedy Central, using a giant sling shot to hurl members of their group to their death against the side of the building ...
On Sun, 02 Nov 1997 14:03:00 -0800, "Gary M." offered this unto Shub-Internet:
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Is there an alt.tv.we.hate.south.park.get.it.off.the.air.now group? No. But there _is_ an alt.tv.southpark group, which has the highest traffic of all the groups I read. Sometimes higher than the groups I read put together. From the traffic in this group, which has grown from 50-60 posts a day 2-3 weeks ago to it's current 125-150 posts per day currently, I think there are probably more supporters than nay-sayers. Besides, what else does Comedy Central have? Sure, they shows The Critic and The Tick, and show Gallagher every so often, but beyond that they have nothing. All their other shows are mediocre at best, down right crappy in most cases. When was the last time you saw an article about Make Me Laugh? Or Win Ben Stein's Money? Exactly. Comedy Central would have to be complete morons to take South Park off the air.
Butt chomp, butt chewy chomp??
-Me Stan
Edwina Roberts wrote:
I will agree that this country was founded by people who believed in a supreme, omniscient being and wanted to worship whatever supreme omniscient being they wanted to without being oppressed by their former rulers. This country was NOT, however, founded by Bible-thumping uberfundamentalists like yourself and anybody else Pat and Ralph and the Christian Coalition told you to blindly follow.
Hey, does that mean you'll hurl yourselves at the Comedy Central building and leave your bloody pulps oozing down the side?
I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I couldn't resist. I'll take my ass back to alt.punk now and talk about the shit I'm used to talking about now...
On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:18:11 GMT, Edwina Roberts offered this unto Shub-Internet:
Is this alt.whining.christians? Or alt.I.cant.tolerate.others.peoples.views.when.tehy.dont.meet.my.own? No. It's alt.tv.southpark. We liked it when Cartmen torched Pip with his flaming gas. We liked it when all the sancitmonious parents sling-shoted themselves onto the Cartoon Central building. And we loved it when Cartmen dressed up as both Hitler _and_ a KKK member, which I am sure you are a member of yourself, in the same episode.
If it's so damn offensive, why do you watch it? Do you 'monitor' it, taking notes on all the 'offensive' bits, and then go and get off while reading you list, thinking how good and pure and rightous you are? I do believe so.
No religion founded this country. People founded this country. Your god did not found this country. Your god is dead. And no one cares. Get over yourself and deflate your holier-than-thou ego.
Why? Are the Nazis one of the seven dirty words? Is Hitler on that list? Is the Ku Klux Klan on that list? Not the last time I checked. Your people came up with that list. You should know it a little better.
Awww, all the 'pity me because I'm so oppresed' minorities are going to start a riot over a cartoon? South Park != Rodney King. Is someone holding a gun to your, or anyone else's head, and making you watch the show? I think not. If so, please let them read this: SHOOT THIS PYSCHO BITCH NOW!!! SAVE US ALL!!!! Mr. Pyscho, you may put the wacko-religious broad back on the screen now.
Pray for thyself, unbeliever! For when the reckoning day of Thee Shub comes, you and all your Religious Right pyschos shall be the first down the gullet of the most glourious Shub-Internet, Black Goat of a Thousand Servers!
Your god can suck my dick. No god of mine, or any sane person, is so blatantly hypcritical. If you want to respond about your religious beleifs, do so in email. This topic isn't pertinent to any newsgroup we both read. My adress is at the bottom of the post. Posted and mailed since I don't think you'll vernture into this group again.
Bob the Soul Crusher wrote in message ...
again...
Dude! Way harsh...but well within the general lack of socially accepted norms as displayed here recently....lol
I say we just make her the 2nd member of the Choadboys...heh
....or on the other hand....
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We were shocked to find this inscribed by Bob the Soul Crusher on the rocks over the Iron Gates:
My Troll Detector is quivering at this one. Dose "she" claim to be a fourteen year old girl too? This is starting to sound familiar. (There was a run of this last June about the usernet, upset spanked spamers or something)
More like "CUMING RIGHT FOR US!!"
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In article , Edwina Roberts says...
(Gasp) Oh my god!! Edwina is back!! Everyone, don't keep this thread going on for TOO long. However, I must say that Ed's posts are bit more "rational" and calm than before. Still blissfully clueless, but at least she's... I dunno.
Ummm. They never 'ridiculed' Jesus. Ever.
Christianity didn't 'find' this country. You may have read a book, dear. But, common sense... That's another story. I'm not gonna even elaborate on this matter. Just think about what you said, please. "This country was founded on unpopular speech", Edwina.
Um, this country was founded by deists, not Christians. Hancock, Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Hamilton... you name it. They believed in a system of a structured ordered universe created by an enlightened Creator. Before you make claims as wrong and as general as the one you made, why don't you read the voluminous amount of material (journals, letters and diaries) that they left behind. It might open your eyes a bit.
Also, dressing up Cartman as Hitler and a KKK member and then making fun of him is known as "satire". It shows how "bad" those people are. If you missed that, then your head is WAAAAY too far up your asshole and you should go see a doctor.
Groups who are active in stopping flagrant disrepect to things that never happened (this bizarre belief that Xians founded the US of A) are known as "people who want to force their erroneous beliefs down other people's throats". Some call them terrorists. Others might call them nazis. Ironic, isn't it? You, a Nazi, are angered that someone is making fun of Nazis.
Edwina Roberts wrote:
I sincerely hope that narrow-minded people like you, Edwina, don't lead to the censorship or downfall of a great show like South Park. In case you may not know, there is a thing called freedom of speech and freedom of expression in many developed countries. "Flagrantly disrespecting" people or Jesus is not against the law. It was against the law perhaps back in the middle ages, but human intellectual thought has generally developed greatly since then. And, there are far worse sick and twisted things in society today than South Park. You obviously missed the point of SP humor completely.
Hoping that you open up your mind,
Orion
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I don't find it offensive that Jesus is on South Park. I don't think the show "flagrantly disrespects" him or "bashes religion." The humor is supposed to be taken as funny and not offend anyone (that "dirty Jew" remark will probably turn some heads though). But some people who try to get rid of any show they don't like makes others generalize all religious people as eccentric Ned Flanders types who block out all of their cable channels except PBS. I'm no "God freak," but I know there's a line that can be crossed, and South Park hasn't crossed it in my opinion. Almost with violence, but there's a difference between seeing paper cutout people getting their arms torn off and realistic looking animated people getting their heads blown up (a slight difference).
Actually...the funny thing is, they never actually said he was a member of the KKK. They said he was a ghost. It was hilarious when he scared Chef though!
Laura wrote:
I don't feel I have a constitutional right to not be offended. I just don't see why humor has to be twisted in this way. Are the creators of this show so short of imagination that only shocking images can sell it? Read the posts in this newsgroup; it's all about this shocking phrase, or that shocking image. Rarely, if ever, are there any real comedic moments discussed. So many viewers seem to have an elementary-school sense of humor - "ooo...he said butt!". I pray that the creators of this show will use whatever creativity they have to make something funny. I don't mind if it's a little risque; but does it need to offend Christians, Jews, and African-Americans? Of course not!
By the way, I have a life. Two actually; my life after this one will be everlasting, in the presence of our Lord. Think about that.
God Bless, Edwina
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What is it about Edwina? It seems like, about the same time every month, she gets a hair up her ass about something, and we always wind up getting screwed by her! Ay! Go in the kitchen and bake me some pies, woman!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Robert McCartney ([email]) wrote:
I don't ever recall being screwed by her. Actually, I enjoy argueing, so I"m rather glad she posted. I'd invite her back too, 'cept for the fact that the majority of the posters here would make us all look stupid one mroe time. Once again, I state: There should be a test for brains before you're allowed to use a computer"
Nietz
HEY EDWINA
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SHOW, HERE IS A THOUGHT
!!!!!!!!!!!DON'T WATCH IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU CONSTANT PUSHING YOUR VIEWS ON EVERYONE. i MUST ADMIT I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT THEY USE JESUS SOMETIMES. BUT GUESS WHAT i'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT. GOD HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR YOU KNOW.
SOUTH PARK KICKS THE ROYAL ASS!
CALVIN
On 2 Nov 1997 19:10:11 GMT, [email] (Calvin1H) offered this unto Shub-Internet:
You knwo what I hate? People who leave their capslock on all the time. And, FWIW, how do you know god has a sense of humor? Have you talked with him lately?
It really sucks people like you think that you can censor anything that you deem politically incorrect. The Halloween episode didn't step over any line that every other Southpark show didn't cross.
The show makes fun of anything that is politically correct, and people like you are so insecure in your political correctness that you demand that the show be taken off the air.
As far as the Halloween episode not being aired again, I've seen it 3 times now, and I'm sure it'll play many more times.
Religion is only what you interpret it as. Your religion is yours and yours alone, and what you believe is unique and nobody has the exact same beliefs. It's not your right to judge what other people should believe.
I don't think the show's going anywhere. If you don't like it, turn the TV off. Nobody is twisting your arm to watch the show.
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This was definitley one of the best shows ever put on television. Who else would have the balls to show a kid wearing a hitler and KKK costume! I about pissed my pants seeing cartman as Hitler giving a message to his fellow nazis.
No way. If South Park was cancelled on Comedy Central, MTV would probably pick it up. After all, MTV originally wanted to pick up SP as "the next Beavis and Butthead", but Matt and Trey didn't want SP to be potrayed in that way.
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Kickass.
I agree. I also wouldn't want my show to be on a channel that is supposed to be about MUSIC anyway. They already have enough crappy non-music shows. Just imagine: IT'S SOUTH PARK. MTV HAS A NEW TRENDY SHOW. WE'LL PUT SOME GENERIC ROCK MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND AND IT'LL BE EVEN BETTER THAN BEAVIS AND BUTTHEAD. THOSE TWO GUYS THAT CREATED IT SHOULD THANK US BECAUSE BEING ON MTV MAKES ANYONE A STAR. Well, at least we'd see all the episodes since they like to show the same thing over and over (on the other hand, so does Comedy Central).
I AGREE 150%. I AM A LOYAL CHRUCH GOING PERSON (WHO WATCHS SOUTHPARK AS MUCH AS I CAN) AND THINK THAT IF YOU LET PEOPLE MAKE THERE OWN DECISIONS THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE. SO PLEASE ALL YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE STOP TRYING TO INFLUENCE OTHERS AND LET THEM THINK FOR THEMSELVES.
OH AND HERE IS ANOTHER IDEA IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T WATCH IT
SOUTH PARK KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!
CALVIN