Here's the release the ol' PTC released about the recent South Park episode... Some funny readings.
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PTC responds to South Park episode
Jun 24, 2001, 4:14 PM ET102 posts by 34 postersalt.tv.southpark
102 posts
What the fuck is the difference, really, between actually saying "shit" on TV vs. saying "shit" on TV and having it bleepd, yet have it obvious what was said? Christ. If someone is going to be offended by seeing or hearing "cunt" or "fuck," don't tell me that they are perfectly happy w/ half-bleeped versions of such or c*nt or f*ck. What idiot sees f*ck and doesn't realize it's "fuck"?!!
It's sort of like porn that has been censored w/ black bars, or "cable" versions of pornos that don't show penetration yet have tons of wanton orgiastic sex scenes. Censorship rules are so stupid...
In article , "Bao H. Lammy" writes:
I believe that was covered by the scene in the school the next day. You may talk about the object, but not as an interjection.
I was not referring to the SP episode specifically, but bleeping in the general sense on any show or movie. In other words, if it's obvious what word was bleeped, bleeping it is pointless, imo.
SOME people can't tolerate the idea of even hearing it... (They tend to vote GOP too...)
In article , "D.G. Porter" writes:
Like "Tipper"?
Have you heard Jello Biafra's commentary on Tipper and her "Wives"? It's on an LP called "No More Cocoons" and it was a regular cut on my radio program that year. What a bunch of clowns. "I don't mind old-fashioned regular rock and roll, but..."
How 'bout Zappa's "Porn Wars"?
In article , "Bao H. Lammy" writes:
Oh, I know that, but I do believe that's what the rule is concerning bleeping.
In article , "BrandonR" writes:
That's a lotta shit, huh?
Is this the same PTC that was parodied by the WWF's stable of heel wrestlers, the "Right To Censor"?
That's some damn straight shit there! 8D Hell yea!
Oh, please. Kids were saying curse words WAY before South Park was a gleam in their creators' eyes...
The PTC is saying that TWO-YEAR OLDS are watching SP? Typical religious zealotry... blame the producers and the networks INSTEAD of irresponsible parents.
Oh, PLEASE. Mark Harmon said "shit happens" on "Chicago Hope" *years* before last week's episode of SP. And people have said it way before that. I think the PTC is picking on SP simply because it's so popular. I'll bet if "shit" was said on some other *less popular* show, there'd be barely a reaction from people like the PTC.
And the endless crusade on the part of religious zealots like the PTC will continue to annoy and disgust the rest of the populace until we can't take it anymore...
Hm, can't deny that.
Hell fucking no! The people at the PTC can eat shit and die! 8O
Yaright. I don't think I'll be doing THAT shit. ~_O
Mm, this is the part that made me totally keel over. First, that they presume to demarcate the lower limit of comprehension at age 2, when most kids have only barely learned to talk, let alone understand TV dialog, and second, that they assert that 2-year-olds will either be awake at 10pm to watch TV or be deliberately shown videotapes of the broadcast.
The self-proclaimed protectors of morality have always been full of shit (*163*) and by now their silly-ass rants are just plain funny. I wouldn't look for anything to come of this pronouncement, except possibly a clever takeoff thereon by Matt and Trey if it gets any more publicity.
Mark Tangard wrote in message news:...
I really hate when any watchdog group presumes that I can't make choices for my own child.
My four year old came out with the word "shit" for the first time in my presence last week, and she's NEVER seen South Park. She heard that from me. So thanks, but no thanks, PTC. From now on I better watch my potty mouth in front of my child, and I am still quite capable of deciding what she can and cannot watch on TV.
Kara
In article , [email] (Kara Jenkins) writes:
Bravo. The world needs more responsible parents such as yourself.
I hope you were being ironic.
MC
"John and Charlotte Prescott <WebTV>" wrote in message news:9hb4pu$d4o3h$[email]...
I hope you'll be going back to WebTV, where dipshits like you belong. Fuck off, now ya hear?
Fuck
The irony is I'm not on WebTV, but I wouldn't expect you to understand, so I won't bother explaining.
MC
"(Trevor AND Simon) = FALSE" wrote in message news:9hdemo$dito8$[email]...
so I
What, they let you out? Remind me to file a complaint. But then BT sucks too.
In article , "LooseChanj" writes:
Now, now, we shouldn't fault them for having sand in their vagina...
...unless they're being smucks. Then, I say fuck 'em.
In article , "John and Charlotte Prescott <WebTV>" writes:
So does this mean that you swear like sailors in fromt of your children, and let them watch stuff like SP at the age of two?
As far as me being ironic... who cares?
Is this a case of "Parents, don't let your kids grow up to be nonconformists"?
In article , "Bill K." writes:
I dunno. I think I was trying to get the fact that parents should keep an eye on thier kids until said children are of an age to swear like sailors if they so wish...
I have friends who let their seven-year old daughter listen to Spear Britney... there's nothing more disturbing than hearing a seven-year old girl shout out the lyric "I'm not that innocent!" over and over.
Perhaps the PTC would do us a favor and go after all these so-called "squeaky-clean" teen pop acts, and leave South Park alone...
The PTC are a bunch of morons.
John, Henry, an, impious, and, dastardly, lout, [email] wrote:
What --- that we both post to Usenet?
Sounds like you are obsessive. Maybe even a stalker to boot. I wonder if somebody should warn him about you.
In article , Alex Cain writes:
In these cases, it's usually all talk and bluster.
Listen up all you freaks out there, on Mon, 25 Jun 2001 03:00:11 GMT, one of my freaks, Alex Cain said:
Even when someone agrees with him, he still hates them and calls them obsessive. Now if this don't beat all.
Now do you people understand why anyone with any intelligence in here hates Alex Cain?
Big Mamma Pump Liz Michael - The ORIGINAL Genetic Freak - Part of the Conspiracy LizMichael.com - www.lizmichael.com The Corporate Dungeon - http://www.geocities.com/taskmistressliz
Remember, if you're a typical RSPW poster, I'm taller, bigger, and stronger than you: not only can I kick your ass, but I get more women than you.
"...often used as a reference when one wants to refer to an overbearing, obnoxious, self-centered bitch..." - Mike Palij
"I'm gonna Hulk up with the UA, get my ass whipped by the Taskmistress, sit back and watch Chad and the Avenger flame each other... THIS IS RSPW... LIKE IT OR LEAVE IT!" ...4L
"She might be the best-trolling RSPW'er that ever was"...Chris Filbey
"Jesus, not even the Japanese can stop Chad, he's EVERYWHERE. He's spreading like a fungus. Insidious."
"All your fed are belong to us" - Vince McMahon
WHAT'S SIX INCHES LONG, TWO INCHES WIDE, AND DRIVES A WOMAN WILD? A bar of chocolate.
To all my freaks out there... Big Mamma Pump is your hookup. Holler if ya hear me!
Makes sense that one psychotic would defend another.
Because I'm always right?
Listen up all you freaks out there, on Sun, 29 Jul 2001 03:45:22 GMT, one of my freaks, Alex Cain said:
You're never right.
Big Mamma Pump Liz Michael - The ORIGINAL Genetic Freak - Part of the Conspiracy LizMichael.com - www.lizmichael.com The Corporate Dungeon - http://www.geocities.com/taskmistressliz
Remember, if you're a typical RSPW poster, I'm taller, bigger, and stronger than you: not only can I kick your ass, but I get more women than you.
"...often used as a reference when one wants to refer to an overbearing, obnoxious, self-centered bitch..." - Mike Palij
"I'm gonna Hulk up with the UA, get my ass whipped by the Taskmistress, sit back and watch Chad and the Avenger flame each other... THIS IS RSPW... LIKE IT OR LEAVE IT!" ...4L
"She might be the best-trolling RSPW'er that ever was"...Chris Filbey
"Jesus, not even the Japanese can stop Chad, he's EVERYWHERE. He's spreading like a fungus. Insidious."
"All your fed are belong to us" - Vince McMahon
WHAT'S SIX INCHES LONG, TWO INCHES WIDE, AND DRIVES A WOMAN WILD? A bar of chocolate.
To all my freaks out there... Big Mamma Pump is your hookup. Holler if ya hear me!
Except all the time.
What's the FCC going to do about it? South Park airs at 10PM, within the "safe harbor" period.
John, Henry, an, impious, and, dastardly, lout, [email] wrote:
Why bother? They couldn't give a shit.
Doesn't it seem like they go out of their way to piss people off? My God PTC, find some real jobs instead of telling people what they can and cannot see. In the words of Barney Gumble, "Go back to Russia!"
John, Henry, an, impious, and, dastardly, lout, [email] wrote:
Yes, it is, since you are saying that you will be involving them.
John, Henry, an idiotic and, psychopathic lout, [email] wrote:
Oh but I usually *don't* give a shit, but I see you are now admitting that I am God in that little RSPW reality/world of yours.
Please do. Your incoherant rantings can be quite difficult to decipher.
Well if you go and libel them on a webpage then I suppose maybe it isn't.
...that you believe RSPW = real life?
Always full of shit, it's John Henry DeJong everyone, give him a hand!
Most people aren't clueless idiots such as yourself and can easily see this on their own without a pschopathetic loser, namely you, to help them along in achieving this goal.
...so? What's your fucking point?
You probably would, since you also believe wrestling is real.
This coming from you is oh so ironic it can practically be smelled and tasted.
Because, shit-for-brains, that's where the original post was made. And since this concerns the article in question, that makes it on-topic. The fact that it involves the PTC, and now you, also makes it on-topic for AUK, though there's really nothing that's off-topic there, such as it is.
No, but it might be the one where people don't know what a complete dumbass and psychotic lying sociopath YOU are. Would you care to enlighten them?
John, Henry, an ignorant and psychotic lout, [email] wrote:
You avoided the points I made in the post completely, and followed it up with your usual generic obsessive/stalking claim to boot.
Thanks for not disappointing me and doing EXACTLY what I knew you would.
By the way, how's that daughter of yours?
"Optional Identity" wrote in message news:[email]...
I gotta remember this one.
language if
Seriously.
On or about Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:53:31 GMT, "LooseChanj" posted this truly enlightened comment in alt.usenet.kooks :
I slurp this poast, big time!!
I hope you don't mean this literally.
MC
Listen up all you freaks out there, on Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:01:10 -0400, one of my freaks, John Henry, an impious and dastardly lout, said:
Let's see. Alex Cain, John Henry, and Liz Michael agree on something political.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, somebody check to see the temperature in Hell.
Big Mamma Pump Liz Michael - The ORIGINAL Genetic Freak - Part of the Conspiracy LizMichael.com - www.lizmichael.com The Corporate Dungeon - http://www.geocities.com/taskmistressliz
Remember, if you're a typical RSPW poster, I'm taller, bigger, and stronger than you: not only can I kick your ass, but I get more women than you.
"...often used as a reference when one wants to refer to an overbearing, obnoxious, self-centered bitch..." - Mike Palij
"I'm gonna Hulk up with the UA, get my ass whipped by the Taskmistress, sit back and watch Chad and the Avenger flame each other... THIS IS RSPW... LIKE IT OR LEAVE IT!" ...4L
"She might be the best-trolling RSPW'er that ever was"...Chris Filbey
"Jesus, not even the Japanese can stop Chad, he's EVERYWHERE. He's spreading like a fungus. Insidious."
"All your fed are belong to us" - Vince McMahon
WHAT'S SIX INCHES LONG, TWO INCHES WIDE, AND DRIVES A WOMAN WILD? A bar of chocolate.
To all my freaks out there... Big Mamma Pump is your hookup. Holler if ya hear me!
Big Mamma Pump and her favorite freak Stephanie McMahon wrote in message news:[email]...
For once I agree with all of you as well. This is damn scary. :-P
We seem to have a consensus here...
"Big Mamma Pump and her favorite freak Stephanie McMahon" wrote in message news:[email]...
It's 81F, 70% humidity, and overcast. Plus it's windy as Terrence and Phillips' assholes after a chili dinner with extra beans.
Themselves.
The entire continent of North America, is, by default, a member. You live on the soil, you are the ones they are trying to "protect."
Not according to them.
As do I.
Me too.
Yes, indeed they are.
Don't expect them to acknowledge this anytime soon.
Send your comments to [email]!
Brent Bozell *is* a moron, a fucking jerk, a wanker, and probably a REPUBLICAN!
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:24:04 -0700, "D.G. Porter" wrote:
Maybe, but lest we forget, one of the board members and high mucky-mucks (VP?) of the PTC is Joe Liebermen(sp?), the Democratic candidate for vice-president in the last election. And Joe is a very active and vocal member of the PTC too, not just a name on the stationary.
Yeah? Well, FUCK HIM TOO! "Mm-kaayyyyyy..."
And Tipper Gore, too, for good measure!
"Liam Devlin" wrote in message news:[email]...
Which should remind us that these assholes come from both sides of the political spectrum.
Amen, brother.
Liam Devlin wrote:
I did tipper up the ass once.
Nice to hear from you, Bill. Do you think Al will run again in 2004?
Liam Devlin wrote:
He might if he doesn't search his own pockets, destroy his own files, and shoot himself in the back of the head first. I've been depressed since I broke up with moby last week. I'm usually feeling better after my daily 4 kilos but not today...
I know, it's been said already, but then I have to say it again! Be sure to e-mail these fuckbutts your thoughts at [email]!
It was 169 times, you fucking illiterate morons.
Awwwwwww. Dey wants an apowogy!
And fucking idiot... How does this butthole get the money to do all the things he does?? He's on TV, he's head of about a bazillion and a half "family" and "Christian" pseudo-orgs... He was also one of the true-believer shills for Clarence Oreo Thomas back in '91.
Yeah, fuckers, try!!
TWO!!!????
Wouldn't THAT be just awful, Gertie!
I tried -- couldn't find it.
Fuck off and die, Bozell.
In article , "D.G. Porter" writes:
'91.
Oh, so you subscribe to (racist) notion that one is not truely black unless he's on welfare and leftist?
BTW, if memory serves me right, Joe Lieberman is also in the PTC, unless he's been kicked out for the sudden about-face face he turn last Fall...
Thomas is a fucking right-wing asshole like Bozelle. And you know that. Bush I put an Oreo on the court, and he was one of the 5 votes stealing this elecion. Why anyone who likes assholes like Bozelle and Thomas would also lke SP is beyond me.
And, as I said before in this very thead, "Fuck him troo."
In article , "D.G. Porter" writes:
So in other words, you do. BTW, the proper word is "house nigger", not "oreo".
*yawn* Face it, boy. Al Gore had nothing to lose and fucked it up. He then tried to steal the election by changing the rules by which votes were counted and tried to anull the military ballots while preaching that bogus "every vote must be counted" line, and STILL failed.
Unlike most leftist Demiocrats, they have a sense of humor.
So now you show your true anti-Semitic face!
LiamD
In article , Liam Devlin writes:
Uh-oh! You're gettng dangerous close to invoking Goodwin's Law...
'scuse me while I take a shit.... or give one for that matter
"WingNut" wrote in message news:9h8poj$hhc$[email]...
Just don't take one of mine. There are only three in the fridge and they have to last through the weekend.
Those morons just can't take what they dish out. I complain about shit like weakest link and they just tell me not to watch it. I suppose they were forced to watch South Park?
Besides, when I was 9 I cursed like a drunk construction worker. Those crackpots don't think that every kid that watched it last week hadn't heard shit a million times before? I learned how to spell "f*ck" when I was 5!
"Kill my boss? Do I dare live out the american dream?"-Homer Simpson
BrandonR wrote:
In article , "BrandonR" writes:
nationwide."
Yeah, and I'm sure poor parenting has NOTHING to do with this happening.
When I was 2 years old I wasn't aware of the TV being on. That happens around 3. And I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that there are kids under 8 watching SP in the first place...
Another thought re "2-year olds" -- this age seems to be the buzzword for assholes of the right like former LAPD Chief Ed Davis, who testified to our State Legislature ca. 1978 that decriminalizng the personal cultivation of marijuana would simply produce "2-year old addicts" who would blithely amble into the patch and munch on the leaves. NATURALLY, the bill was defeated.
No one makes a big fat fucking stink about Christmas Poinsettas and they're truly poisonous...
And no it's not lost on me that Clinton and Shrub are/were both thwarting the will of CA voters...
Cannabis power to the people!
Yet they have no way of reaching into Daddy's liquor cabinet.
"Addicts", they say? They make it sound almost like...tobacco.
Noone makes a stink about selling ethanol to children at drug stores either, as long as they're denatured with the much more poisonous methanol.
In article , "D.G. Porter" writes:
Moron. That's just an urban legend.
"Ben Raines" wrote "D.G. Porter"
I guess those blokes at Princeton are a bunch of morons as well... Before you sling around insults, check out the veracity of your claim. ================================================ http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=poinsettia
Well, reality doesn't matter when you're a Republican denouncing non-Republicans... BTW, I remember when Republicans weren't all LOONS. (And no one got the "pets named Erick" reference.)
Bullshit!
In article , "D.G. Porter" writes:
Funny how often you do this whenever you're on the losing end of a discussion.
Dream on, Pink Boy. Typical. I see that meaningful dialogue is impossible with a LOON and you declare victory. Now bend over, Tom DeLay needs pleasure gratification again.
In article , "D.G. Porter" writes:
I rest my case.
P.S. Didn't you publicly announce that you had put me on your killfile?
I rest on your face.
I don't killfile, especially Pinks.
I have heard it's just an urban legend as well.
I have heard this was just an urban legend as well. Anyone have more info?
On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:12:06 +0000 (UTC), [email] (Ubiquitous) wrote:
Let's consult the 3DBB, shall we?
http://www.urbanlegends.com/medical/poinsettia_poisonous_plants.html
Phineas J. Whoopee, you're the greatest!
Yes Poinsettias are poisonous, as well as the rest of the Chinese evergreen family....so go eat one and see!
"biohazard" wrote in message news:[email]...
info?
In alt.folklore.urban ���Jħ��� wrote:
No, they're not. Other plants from their immediate family are, but not the poinsettia.
http://www.snopes2.com/holidays/xmas/poinsett.htm
Barbara "bract in the saddle again" Mikkelson
Hello? Brain child, did you bother to look it up? Poison plants don't necessarily kill people. I'll give oyu an example.....POISON IVY, it's considered a poisonous groundcover foliage and will give most humans a rash from hell. Do me a favor Spoons....go buy one and chew on a leaf! You will soon find your information incorrect. The post above all of these to the urban legend site notes the plants toxicitity, just doing you a favor so you won't serve up and Poinsetta salads for your guests. Or call your local botany Prof. ! Or like I said, take bite, it won't kill you but it sure as hell well give youa mouth fukll of ulcers, cankers and blisters!
On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 06:17:11 GMT, [email] wrote:
���Jħ��� wrote:
Did you? I've appended a little more light reading for you, if you refuse to accept snopes.com and urbanlegends.com as reliable sources.
No, but poisonous plants, unless poinsettias, do contain a venom or toxin. Even dictionary.com wil give you this definition:"poi�son�ous Capable of harming or killing by or as if by poison; toxic or venomous."
As snopes says: the "American Medical Association's Handbook of Poisonous and Injurious Plants lists nothing more than occasional vomiting as a side effect of ingesting otherwise harmless poinsettia leaves."
Irritant != poison.
As the AFU archive, previously referenced in this thread[1], states, "F. The red leaves of Poinsettias (aka the Xmas Plant) are deadly poisonous. T. Poinsettia sap and leaves are highly irritating and can harm small children."
(I'd amend that to "can be highly irritating".)
Lara. Oh, and followups.
[1] http://www.urbanlegends.com/medical/poinsettia_poisonous_plants.html
=== Further Reading:
http://www.sw.org/poison/poisonousplants.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/nasd/docs4/va98070.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/386.html
Poinsettia exposures have good outcomes...just as we thought. Krenzelok�EP, Jacobsen�TD, Aronis�JM Am J Emerg Med 1996�Nov 14:671-4
Toxicology of poinsettia. Winek�CL, Butala�J, Shanor�SP, Fochtman�FW Clin Toxicol 1978� 13:27-45
Toxicity of fresh poinsettia (Euphorbia pulcherrima) to Sprague-Dawley rats. Runyon�R Clin Toxicol 1980�Apr 16:167-73
Confusion over toxicity of poinsettia. Hornfeldt�CS J Am Vet Med Assoc 1989�Apr 194:1004
<snip> Yes. Also: poison -- A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means. Remember this.
Vomiting sure fits "harming" and "illness" imo. And from your snopes.com:
"Every holiday season newspapers run stories about whether or not Poinsettia is toxic and to what degree. Although many species in the genus Euphorbia are highly toxic, poinsettia is not among them. Having said that, ingestion of this plant probably will make you sick (it just won't kill you)."
"[M]ake you sick" -- sounds like illness to me.
Bao H. Lammy wrote:
"especially"? You're stretching a point, here. Knives and peanuts are poisonous, too.
Not my snopes.com, Barbara's snopes.com. I make no representations as to the voracity of the assertions therein; I used it to find the AmericanMA Handbook's words.
You appear to have only read the top half of my post. In the attached hospital and government webpages and peer-reviewed journal articles, I actually can find no evidence to support Barbara's "ingestion of this plant will probably make you sick". I also suspect the sporadic reports of vomiting are not the effect of a specific toxin, but are irritative, psychological, or coincidental effects. This is what happens when you can't do a placebo-controlled study.
If you have any actual evidence that poinsettias are toxic, please pass it my way, and I'll gladly add it to the new FAQ.
Lara
I'm not stretching anything. That's the dictionary definition -- sans "Remember this." Check dictionary.com if you don't believe me.
I did: http://www.sw.org/poison/poisonousplants.htm This notes stomach irritation, and vomiting and diarrhea in some pets. http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/nasd/docs4/va98070.html Notes abdominal pain and nausea. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/386.html Notes gastric irritation.
That fits *my* understanding of at least one definition of "poisonous." I never limited my words to include humans only, btw. Yes, just about anything can cause death and sickness if ingested in enough quantity. I made that point days ago. The point is that the chemicals in these plants definitely serve no good purpose if consumed, and actually have bad effects in some. Death? No. That is not a requirement of something that is described is poisonous. Affecting all? Again, not a requirement.
Obviously, this has broken down into a semantic disagreement. When I read a definition of poison as meaning that it can cause illness *or* death, I take the "or" literally. When I think of "illness," nausea, gastric irritation, abdominal pain, vomiting, and diarrhea all qualify as well.
Is it an urban legend that poinsettas are deadly, that some kid died because s/he ate a leaf? Sure. But I stand by the allegation that the chemicals in a poinsetta serve no benefit for consumption and can cause illness if eaten, unlike peanuts, for example. (My example was salt, which would kill you if eaten in massive quantity.) Hence, poisonous. Deadly? No, unless eaten in ridiculous quantity. Toxic? Not lethally.
Sorry, wanted to clarify. In a hurry and was just taking a break while packing for a trip to Seattle.
What is poisonous? Everything in enough quantity. That's not the point. Peanuts are not toxic in the normal sense because most people actually benefit from them. They don't see harm, for sure. Those that do are allergic, which is another matter. Knives are not even organic. You might as well say that a Toyota is poisonous if eaten.
That's your suspicion. I go by what I've read already and what you've provided. Your suspicion may be true...it may not be.
Bao H. Lammy wrote:
Enjoy. I liked Seattle.
Exactly. There you go again. Yet peanuts fit the dictionary.com definition of "poison", which is why I used them to illustrate my disagreement with d.c's definition.
Which is why I labelled it a suspicion, rather than presenting it as a statement of fact. I'm more than willing to look at alternative explanations; my request for info for the FAQ was not a facetious one.
Lara
Sounds like I'm also in semantic disagreement with dictionary.com, which doesn't surprise me. I believe their definition is too broad in a scientific/medical sense.
I missed that, as I don't read alt.tv.southpark (which is why I have repeatedly set followups to afu). I came into the thread not to argue with you, but to disagree with the email-morphing twit "���Jħ���" who abused Barbara in complete ignorance of who she was. As you note, you and I are largely in violent agreement.
To quote Scott Wheeler via Simon Slavins, "You can't go blatantly and provocatively agreeing with me! That's against RFC 666."
Peanuts, as I'm sure you are aware, kill a whole lot more people than poinsettias do. Yet I still don't rate them as "poinsonous", despite dictionary.com's definition.
Same as poinsettias, then. You really define salt as a "poisonous" substance? Better add chocolate, then. And dihydrogen monoxide.
Lara
<snip snip snip>
Thank you! In my rush, I failed to write good sentences. Their meaning was partially lost in my butchery of the language. This summarizes my position:
----- Lethal in mass quantities: everything Poisonous (including causing illness) in mass quantities: everything
It is rather apparent to me that since these words exist, there must be a practical use for them. Since everything is techinically poisonous and lethal -- even water -- in practical terms, we must limit ourselves to reasonable quantities. Additionally, personal allergies should not be used to describe a substance as poisonous simply because of the allergy -- particularly when others *actually benefit* from the same thing. (To me, that's a very important point.) I _suppose_ you could say that peanuts were poisonous *to John Doe* if he had a bad allergy to them if you really wanted to, but it would be silly to call peanuts poisonous in general.
Beneficial to none for consumption (being inorganic): knives, Toyotas.
Beneficial to many (if not most or all) for consumption: water, salt, and yes -- peanuts. Most people get nutritional benefits from peanuts.
Beneficial to none for consumption, containing a substance causing non-allergic (as I saw no reference to the reactions to poinsettas being blamed on allergies) illness in some after consumption of non-massive quantities: poinsettas
So, that's the difference to me -- the fact that peanuts are beneficial to most for consumption, while poinsettas are not. Peanuts cause an allergy-related illness in some; poinsettas cause a non-allergy related illness in some. (I make that distinction because I feel it is incorrect to call something a poison when it is really just acting as an allergen.)
Now, if poinsettas causing some sort of illness is attributed directly to an allergic reaction to them, then I cede the point. As I understand it currently, it is not an issue of allergies.
;-) cya around maybe.
LMAO! Anyway, all I was trying to say was that Poinsettias are classified as toxic or poisonous however you linguists would like to put it. Keep your kids and animals from eating them or they will get sick. Also wash your hands after pruning or playing with one. I've also heard of Venus Poinsettia Trap plants eating small children and animals, so be leery of your next purchase! Have fun...
"Bao H. Lammy" wrote in message news:[email]...
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���Jħ��� wrote:
Lame Mantras Are Omnipresent?
Is there an echo in here?
You can squeak and pout till you turn magenta, kai breeden[1], but repetition and foot-stamping doesn't make it true.
Lara
[1] Do you mind if I call you r? I can't pronounce ���Jħ���, which doesn't make me much of a linguist[2].
[2] My specialties lie elsewhere. Mostly around the medical sciences. Linguistics is only a hobby at this point in time.
And stay away from little shops!
However, you may want to try smoking some poinsettia leaves after drying or curing well. Gives you a nice buzz.....
"Bao H. Lammy" wrote in message news:[email]...
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My apologies for the crosspost. I tried to post and mail, but your address was munged with no unmunging instructions. Followups have been set to afu.
Liam Devlin wrote:
Please watch your attributions. That was Bao Lammy. This was me:
Exploiting Bao's reductio ad absurdem and taking it a small step further, I compared salt to water. It will make you very ill if ingested in massive and ridiculous quantity, yet is not conventially considered a "poisonous" substance (unlike poinsettias, widely considered to be "deadly poisonous"). The dangers of psychogenic polydipsia are well know to afu; I'm happy to forward you some more information if you're interested.
That would be me.
Bicarbonate, conventionally, but your truism stands. More or less.
Absolutely.
Lara
Not sure what AFU is. I'm assuming that it's an acronym for some organization over in OZ with you? Anyway, I never use a real email address and I post through a shell account so that I can't be traced. I just stumbled across the message looking for SP episodes and thought I'd reply. My little sister ate a few poinsettia leaves when she was 2 years. Her throat was swolen, her motuh was full of ulcers as well as vomitting and diareah. We had to rush her to the hospital for some injections. I'm not sure what they were, but I'm sure you are.. ;) I just didn't want some less enlightened, vegetarian person coming in and deciding to feast on the red stuff next Christmas! As I said have fun..... JAS thats what all the ascii code says
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:28:43 +0800, [email] (Lara Hopkins) wrote:
Naq vs lbh pna ernq guvf V jbhyq or tynq gb fraq lbh na rznvy nqqerff gung V purpx. Unir sha! WNF
On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:28:43 +0800, [email] (Lara Hopkins) wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, ¤¥¤Jħ¤¥¤ wrote: } }Hello? Brain child, did you bother to look it up? Poison plants don't }necessarily kill people.
Poison plants don't kill people; *poisons* kill people.
;-P
Dr H
In article , "Bao H. Lammy" writes:
Apparently they are. The story about the baby who allegedly diedfrom eating poinsettia leaves is false. While I wouldn't recommend eating a poinsettia salad, no one has ever died from eating it.
Poisonous does not inherently mean death-causing. Even on the web site at snopes.com debunking the myth that they are toxic:
Every holiday season newspapers run stories about whether or not Poinsettia is toxic and to what degree. Although many species in the genus Euphorbia are highly toxic, poinsettia is not among them. Having said that, ingestion of this plant probably will make you sick (it just won't kill you).
Therefore, it is *not* an urban legend that they are poisonous. It *is* an urban legend that they are toxic. (Or course, anything is toxic in enough quantity. Try eating 50 lbs. of salt in an hour, for example.)
If they're poisonous, they're toxic (synonyms). I think the point here is that they're not lethal.
LiamD
In article , "Bao H. Lammy" writes:
Why didn't you say that in the FIRST place?
What in particular? I didn't start the thread. Someone (was it you?) said it was an urban legend that they were poisonous. I simply looked it up in dictionary and it said that they were. It's not my duty to research every possible rebuttal before posting. And above, I should add "lethally" before "toxic."
care to explain the difference? i wouldnt write "non-toxic" on a poison bottle.
In case you didn't bother reading further, when it was clarified, I always understood "toxic" to mean a higher level of dangerousness than "poisonous," -- specifically that "toxic" meant lethally poisonous. Now, skipping all the lengthy talk about how everything is technically poisonous (and lethally, at that) in enough quantity, I now understand that poisonous and toxic are basically synonyms. Hence:
Therefore, it is *not* an urban legend that they are poisonous. It *is* an urban legend that they are lethally poisonous.
Before responding to this post, please read *all* of the previous messages. Most likely, any issue you want to bring up has already been discussed.
In article , "BrandonR" writes:
"Ladies and gentlemen... [BLEEP] off! If you have any other questions, please feel free to address them to that brick wall over there"