501 thoughts (possible spoilers)

Jul 12, 2001, 1:41 AM ET20 posts by 14 postersalt.tv.southpark
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Well, /that/ was weird.

Most of the episode lingered in mediocrity, relying on deliberately obvious and classic modes of frustrating our hero, which was the perfect set-up for the powerful, if not unexpected ending. I am certainly hoping that this was deliberate on the writers' part since the alternative, that the middle was written as good humor, would be a Bad Thing (tm).

Anyway, there was good foreshadowing. "Well guys, it's no big deal really. I am the first one of us to reach manhood after all..."

This foretells of his eventual victory over his antagonist, and his desire to show the others his false pubes is echoed by his desire to show others falsities about Scott Tenorman.

"How do you like them apples. I got them from Scott Tenorman," says Cartman, since he did get them in more than one sense. In addition to the obvious sexual imagery, he gets his drive to defeat Scott from Scott himself.

Plus there's quite a bit of character-fortification relating to pubes: the journey, receiving the pubes (strength) of others, etc. Following this, Scott's friends contributed their pubes to the 'incorrect' cause (which was for naught since no one consumed them) and indirectly caused the defeat of their hero.

There was, of course, the doubters, pessimists, and betrayers Kyle and stan, who ended up fearing Cartman in the end, and caused Scott to eat his pubes both in the literal and figurative sense (his own, and the result of his parents).

$16.12 cents:

Mark 16:12 � And after these things, to two of them, as they are going into a field, walking, he was manifested in another form, 16:13 � and they having gone, told to the rest; not even them did they believe. 16:14 � Afterwards, as they are reclining (at meat), he was manifested to the eleven, and did reproach their unbelief and stiffness of heart, because they believed not those having seen him being raised; ...

I have to wonder whether that was deliberate or not...

-B
Howard ShubsBenalt.tv.southpark

In article , Ben wrote:

No, he's done this before. He was the first to get his period, for instance. And he was sooo mature, that he could go out with NAMBLA members...

Howard S Shubs "Run in circles, scream and shout!" "I hope you have good backups!"
Kenneth GrossBenalt.tv.southpark

And you are forgetting that the ending was a brillant play off of "Titus Andronicus", a classic play by William Shakepeare. In the end, Titus gets revenge on his enemy by cooking her children and serving them. Nice work!

Ken

On 12 Jul 2001 17:15:50 GMT, [email] (Kenneth Gross) wrote:

I thought of "Theatre of Blood", in which Vincent Price feeds Robert Morley his poodles... ;)

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On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:29:54 -0400, biohazard wrote:

You're aware that Vince was doing the Titus Andronicus scene, right? All the murders were from Shakespeare plays.

George

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:55:32 GMT, [email] (George Weinberg) wrote:

Yep; that's why I put the wink in there...

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[email] (Kenneth Gross) wrote:

Forcing or tricking one into eating his relatives an an act of revenge is a very old literary device, going back, if I recall correctly, to Greek Mythology, in which (I forgot his name now) tricked Zeus into eating his sons and for which he received a fitting punishment in Hades (I want to say he was forced to roll a large rock up a hill, only to have to roll back down to the bottmo before reaching the top, but that doesn't sound right).

I think my favorite modern comeuptance occurred in "Theatre of Blood", starring Vincent Prince and the babelicious Diana Rigg ("Emma Peel"). The movie was about the vengence of a bad Shakesperean actor upon his greatest critics. In this case, they tricked this gluttonous guy into eating his "children", in this case, his prized rat-dogs.

I'm sure there's plenty more examples out there...

Well, the most famous family-cannibal story I am familiar with concerns the house of Atreus, a royal family in Greek mythology.

Atreus lures his brother-enemy, Thyestes, to his palace with an offer of amnesty and a half-share in ruling his kingdom. Then he kills Thyestes' sons (some on an altar to Zeus), cuts them up and serves them to Thyestes at a feast. After Thyestes eats, Atreus has the heads of his sons brought in. As a result, Thyestes curses Atreus and all of his offspring.

After a very long and convoluted story, Thyestes' son (by his own daughter- don't ask) kills Atreus and rules in his place.

Some others of the happy house of Atreus include Agamemnon (who was killed by his wife) and Menelaus, (whose wife, Helen, started the Trojan War).

Sisyphus was punished for betraying devine secrets to men.

Cheryl3bCheryl3balt.tv.southpark

<<Sisyphus was punished for betraying devine secrets to men.>>

Actually, they may have been devine, but the point is, they were divine, which is why he was punished.

Sorry about that.

??? "devine" isn't a word; "divine" carries both of the definitions you refer to in your reply to your own message.

  • Having the nature of or being a deity.
  • Of, relating to, emanating from, or being the expression of a deity: sought divine guidance through meditation.
  • Being in the service or worship of a deity; sacred.
  • Superhuman; godlike.
  • Supremely good or beautiful; magnificent: a divine performance of the concerto.
  • Extremely pleasant; delightful: had a divine time at the ball.
  • Heavenly; perfect

"Bao H. Lammy" wrote in message news:[email]...

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concerto.

The point Cheryl makes is that Sisyphus was punished for betraying the secrets of the gods to men.

<<The point Cheryl makes is that Sisyphus was punished for betraying the secrets of the gods to men.>>

Thanks, Willie. Nice to see a sense of humor around here for a change.

BillBen Rainesalt.tv.southpark

Ben Raines wrote:

That was one of the best mental games around. The critic de jour that got the gourmet meal had reviewed Price in Titus Andronicus which is the Shakespeare version of the King eating his two sons that had raped the daughters of Titus and cut their hands off ( setting an example for a future rapist in the Bay Area) and their tongues out also.