Out of all the writers in the world and this is the best they can do. I am going to be honest season 11,12 and 13 sucks they have had good writers before why can't they get them back. The Simpsons doesn't feel like The Simpsons anymore its just a show now that uses the drawings and voices but doesn't have that same feeling that I loved.
My Opion
Sep 1, 2002, 9:32 AM ET23 posts by 12 postersalt.tv.simpsons
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You spelled "Onion" wrong.
With kindest regards, Jesse Leon McCann, Freelance Scribe
[email] (Jesse Leon McCann) wrote in message news:...
Wrong is an adjective. You need an adverb, like "incorrectly".
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On 3 Sep 2002, Aaron Hirshberg wrote:
Is "wrongly" unpossible?
Linguo, dead?
Linguo IS dead *fizzle*
"Kristian Ronge" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Blues Punk wrote in message news:LNld9.4314$J47.329814@stones...
Linguo wouldn't dare correct someone whom so eloquently denounced the "Simpsons" writers.
-Linguo
Kristian Ronge wrote in message news:...
Don't be unmutual. 'unmutual' is a "Prisoner" reference, BTW.
Space
You're covered with a very fine fuzz.
With kindest regards, Jesse Leon McCann, Freelance Scribe
Total Social Conversion for you!
O-o-o-o! Now tell me about the rabbits!
That's a Steinbeck reference, BTW.
-Bob
Yes, got it. An episode of King of the Hill featured a play version of "Of Mice and Men" (which Bob is quoting above). What Steinbeck references are there in The Simpsons? There are a huge number of Hemmingway references, whom is more or less a contemporary of Steinbeck...
Another question: Not to enter into the "newer episodes suck" discussion, but does anyone else feel like classic references are sparse in recent seasons? I wonder if the increasingly contemporary references threaten to make later seasons age poorly?
fishy wrote in message news:[email]...
I know! That's the point!!!
An episode of King of the Hill featured a play
Oh dear God, I hope the average reader here didn't need that explained!
This is a good question. I'd love to hear about them.
(The weird thing is, I've read some Steinbeck and Hemingway in school. But, since I hated them both, I couldn't tell you of any, even if you tortured me.)
"R H Menzel" wrote in message news:...
I can't think of any Steinbeck references, though I can immediately think of one Hemingway one.
You may have hated the books in school for one of two reasons (or both). One is that you were made to read them. The other is that the books they get you to read in school are the least interesting.
I never read them in school, so I don't know. But oddly enough, while I've read a lot of Steinbeck (including the more obscure), I've either never read The Pearl and Of Mice and Men or read them late and can't remember them. These two seem to be the classic books for schools. I may have avoided them because they were taught in schools.
I think "In Dubious Battle" is my favorite. It's about labor organizers during the depression. It might be considered slightly related to Grapes of Wrath, which is another intriguing book, with it's interleaving of the Joad family with chapters of a more general nature. Oddly, some I liked on the first reading, Cannery Row, Sweet Thursday and Cup of Gold, but every time I've tried to reread them have had problems starting them.
I think Hemingway references may go over better because they are already out there as part of the common language. Relatively few may have read The Old Man and the Sea, but many may have seen the movie, and most probably know the basic scenario. Hemingway seems to be a cultural icon more than Steinbeck; you hear about Hemingway look-alike contests, but Steinbeck has only occasional references, such as his 100th birthday last year (?). The only Hemingway book I've read was The Old Man, and a simple biography about 1976, yet I know quite about him from other references.
I've read a number of Steinbeck biographies (and a couple of books that contain his journals from when he was writing his books), and I think most of his books. I think there's a lot more likeable about his books, the imagery is significant to their time and place, yet I haven't gotten much about him from passing references.
Michael
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But,
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Interesting observations! I think you're probably on the money.
One thing - I think that I disliked both writers because of their "the poor are noble and poor" attitude. And Hemingway is a bit pretentious. In college, in order to save time, I would read the first and last sentence in every paragraph. I still managed to average an A- in literature!!!!!!!
I don't mind pompous. I just wish people would own up to being pompous and self-important.
-Bob (Pompous and Self-Important)
Well, I hope so too. Mind you, there are a number of internationals here, and I don't imagine that it was required reading in Germany.
For some reason, there was no required Hemingway in my high school, which is a shame. We read The Pearl, though, and I was one of the few students who enjoyed it.
The only Simpson's references I can think of are from Grapes of Wrath... and that may have more to do with the movie than the novel. Nelson's Grapes of Wrath diarama was classic, I think.
I think that the Poe/Whitman, Hemingway/Steinbeck splits are really interesting. Both pairs are contemporaries, all four were significant in the progress of American literature, yet the number of Simpson's references is very skewed.
Anyone else find it odd that there is a list of Batman references on SNPP, but no literary lists? Compiling one would be a monumental task, but very worthwhile...
fishy wrote in message news:...
"If I want a cock and bull story, I'll read Hemingway." Haaaaaaaa! ("The Sun Also Rises," and very funny in case you were wondering.)
The Simpsons has made references to other classic novels, such as Wuthering Heights, in the past (I think it was in Kamp Krusty).
When I think of Steinbeck, specifically Of Mice and Men, the cartoon reference that usually comes to mind is the classic Warner Bros. Looney Tunes. There are literally hundreds of jokes and references to this book (actually the movie version starring Lon Chaney, Jr.) in their cartoons (and in Tex Avery's MGM cartoons -- especially the characters of George and Junior). The abominable snowman is an obvious "Lenny" character in the cartoon The Abominable Snow Rabbit (1961), for instance.
And while we are off topic: Pip, from South Park, is based on the character of the same name from Dickens' Great Expectations.
Yes, Lisa sends a letter home with a horseman. There are, of course, other literary references in that episode... Lord of the Flies.
Was the Steinbeck novel the origin of the lovable man-child? Now that I think of it, that was a comedy staple through the middle of last century, especially in cartoons.
Indeed. They based an entire episode on Great Expectations, retelling the entire story, though fairly warped. Or did I dream that?
Of course! The most obvious example and I forgot it!
I don't know if the novel was the origin. There were probably similar types of characters going back to ancient Greek theatre, but I wouldn't know for sure. I do know that Tex Avery seemed to have a real fixation on the movie version of the novel starring Burgess Meredith and Lon Chaney, Jr., and would use those characters many times in his cartoons throughout the years.
I didn't see that episode, but Pip did quote from the book in one episode of South Park. Cartman asked what kind of stupid name is "Pip" and Pip replies with the first lines from the novel, "My father's name being Pirrip..."
"R H Menzel" wrote in message news:...
"MILO!"
That's a Joseph Heller reference, BTW.
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Aaron Hirshberg wrote in message news:[email]...
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"Simpson, eh!?"
That's a Simpsons reference, BTW
-Bob
"Aaron Hirshberg" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Fighting pedantry with pedantry, I point out to you that "wrong" in many cases functions as an adverb. "Wrongly" is typically used only when it precedes the verb it modifies. English just happens to have a few words that behave oddly in this way, "wrong," "right," and "fast" being among them (although "fast" lacks a form such as "fastly" when "fast" means "quick").
I dare you to program a grammar robot that can keep up with *that*.
Jesse Leon McCann wrote in message news:[email]...
I thought he meant "opium"!
-Bob