Notes for FABF13 (The Way We Weren't)

For a little while, this episode wasn't really doing it for me. I love a good flashback episode, but it didn't help that everyone made such a big deal out of everything - not just in the present, but in the past. Some of it makes sense, but lots of it seemed like too much. However, as the story unfolded things started falling into place, and that was an interesting device. There were a few goofy things, as usual (McCallister's surprise appearance in the living room, Moe's phone call revelation...), and Marge's mood near the end seemed a little much, but overall it came out as a pretty good episode. (The first kiss fantasy sequence was pretty fun, too.) Anyway, how about a B+.

DYN: ...Homer got drunk off one beer (or went to sleep one drink below that)?

...he also doesn't connect the empty bottle with the mystery buzz? ...a young Cookie Kwan is reading "Lose Your Accent in Thirty Years"? ...both episodes tonight use the same couch gag? (It's not surprising, as the production codes were off by 10)

Previous episode references 7F12: Homer and Marge's previous first kiss CABF21: Homer with young Lenny, Carl, Moe BABF08: Lots of forks at the dinner setting CABF14: "Happy Together" playing during a first kiss seems to run in the family 7F06: Homer's fall reminiscent of the one here 7F21: Patty and Selma smoking and their voices changing 5F01: Homer hid a gun from Marge EABF06: Homer sued the church 2F15: ...ugh...at "Lisa's wedding in the future," he only ruined it by existing and having Lisa love him...oh well.

Goofs -Milhouse seems to have forgotten his kiss with Samantha Stanky in 8F22.

-Of course, the timing of the retainer return scene is a little off, but whatever. -Bart was pretty grossed out when Homer and Marge recounted their first kiss in 7F12.

Meta-reference corner -Homer not sure whether his childhood was in the 60s or 70s (since the characters don't age) -Bart seems aware of the three-act format the show has when he wonders whose story is coming after Homer's and Marge's. -Moe getting agitated at a "prank" call - by someone related to Bart, no less - was pretty clever, but having him tell us was both stupid and kind of insulting.

Comments -When were movie ratings introduced? I seem to remember hearing 1968 as that date... so it's probably not a goof that Captain McCallister talked about PG and R, if one adjusts the date of Homer and Marge's childhood accordingly. (According to a recent Jeopardy clue, the first PG-13 movie - Red Dawn - was in 1984, but they didn't mention that.) Anyone have more info on this? -Parliament and Funkadelic were largely composed of the same people, but there are differences in the styles of music. It's a funny joke that young Marge would like one and not the other, but it does make sense.

Matt Garvey wrote:

Movie ratings were definitely around in the late 1960s - I think they started in the early 1960s - but the "PG" rating didn't start until the early 1970s. (In the 1960s, it was "M" (for Mature), but apparently too many people thought "Mature" meant "adults only", so it was switch to "GP" ("G with parental guidance suggested") and then to "PG" sometime in the early 1970s.) PG-13 came years later; the version I heard was that too many people complained about either "Raiders of the Lost Ark" or "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" having a PG rating. Of course, nowadays movies like "The Rugrats Go Wild!" are rated PG.

-- Don

The first PG-13 was indeed "Temple of Doom"

"David Brunt" wrote in message news:...

Actually, it wasn't. It was the movie that started the PG-13 rating, but it never actually got the rating itself.

Well, it was certainly the first to get that rating in the UK, and I'm 99% sure it did in the US too...

"David Brunt" wrote in message news:...

What do you mean? UK doesn't even use the same ratings as the US? In the UK I thought it was 12, 15, 18.. Temple of Doom definitely got a PG, NOT PG-13, in the US. Last Crusade got a PG 13. In the 70s, lots of movies rated PG would now be PG 13 or even R. I remember Kramer vs. Kramer with Dustin Hoffman had full frontal nudity but was rated PG. A lot of other PG movies had full frontal nudity, too.

[email] (Matthew) wrote in message news:...

Kramer vs. Kramer did NOT have full frontal nudity. You're as bad that lady who wrote a letter to the editor of my local newspaper, claiming to have seem full frontal nudity in a episode of NYPD Blue. In Kramer vs. Kramer, JoBeth Williams was shown unclothed from the front, but one hand was covering her breasts and the other hand was covering her pubic area. That doesn't even come close to qualifying as full frontal nudity.

By the way, I've seen a lot of movies (especially from the 70's, 80's, and 90'), but I've only seen one PG-rated movie with full frontal nudity. That was a movie called "Walkabout" released in 1971. It was originally rated R, but got a PG rating on appeal (with no cuts). It featured Jenny Agutter (18 at the time) in several full frontal nude scenes.

It's odd. I bought Logan's Run on DVD, and watched it coincidentally with the death of Peter Ustinov. I could have sworn we saw more nakedness of Jenny Agutter in that film than I saw when I watched it this time (I haven't seen the film in years). Now maybe it's because I saw it when it first came out, and at 16 not quite naked can go a long way.

Micahel

In article , Michael Black says...

Maybe you're getting this movie confused with a movie called Equus, from about the same time period. She did a ton of nudity in that one, including some full frontal.

On Mon, 10 May 2004 15:43:56 +0100, "David Brunt" wrote:

We don't have PG-13, Temple Of Doom was a PG with some notorious cuts (it's still the cut version we have on DVD over here). Eventually a 12 certificate emerged and now we have 12A here too. The others are U (Universal), 15, and 18.

"David Brunt" wrote in message news:...

Temple of Doom is definitely PG. I checked my copy of it and it says PG. According to Spielberg, the movie was going to get an R rating but successfully lobbied for PG. He personally suggested that there be a rating between R and PG. I don't think he specifically suggested PG-13 (possibly PG-12 or PG-14).

The first released movie with a rating of PG-13 was Red Dawn. The Flamingo Kid is the first movie given a PG-13 rating, but it didn't get released until after Red Dawn.

Which, ironically enough, is one of the most violent movies of the 80s IIRC.

"David Brunt" wrote in message news:...

Well, you're 100% wrong.

David Brunt wrote:

According to the IMDb, it's PG. I stick by my assertion of "Red Dawn," but it's not like the Jeopardy writers have never been wrong before.

Don Del Grande wrote in message news:...

If my memory is working today, "2001, A Space Odyssey", was one of the last movies made before the rating system was used. But, because it got so much attention, the producers lobbied to get a rating applied to it. You remember that movie, don't you? A guy flys in the space shuttle with Brace Banyon, eats potato chips in outer space, then has a hallucinatory experience while riding in a vibrating chair?

Space Mvsevm

Don Del Grande wrote in message news:...

The current rating system began in 1968 with four ratings: G, M, R, and X. The following year, M was changed to GP, which was changed to PG a couple of years later. PG-13 was added in 1984. X was replaced by NC-17 in 1990.

4dtvman wrote:

Was it intentional (or somewhat so) that the original ratings, from "best" to "worst," went in alphabetical order?

Matt Garvey wrote in message news:...

1984 was the year the PG-13 rating was introduced and Red Dawn was the first movie to get this rating. I remember when it happened. Jeopardy was right.