Notes for FABF05 (Diatribe of a Mad Housewife)

S15E10 Diatribe of a Mad HousewifeliveJan 25, 2004, 9:49 PM ET2 hours after the credits19 posts by 13 posters
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Matt Garvey

Fabulous! It seems that in recent years, Marge-centric episodes were always a little off; with a bizarre premise or asylum-grade matriarch; not only did this one make sense and star an in-character Marge, it was imaginatively written and a pleasure to watch. The only annoyingly unrealistic bits were confined to the first act (half the stuff with Homer's car), and individual jokes were hilarious (Lisa's libido, the Nantucket limerick reference, Apu's porno-styled inflection, the Jack Ruby). As I mentioned, the underlying plot - which allowed for a lot of creativity and freedom in storytelling - was excellent as well. It vaguely reminds me of 8F18 (see below), which is interesting as it also includes a more intelligent Homer and realistic resolution. Had this aired in season 11, I could imagine some crazy ending where Homer knocks Flanders off the cliff and he gets saved by (your choice: fan-Moe, 999 springs, an unopened parachute left by a mountain climber on an expedition with Abe, a trambapoline...); thanks, writers! (And I'll take my lumps too: did anyone else roll his eyes when a third arm reached through Ned's door, only to realize [after making such a quick judgment] they'd been egged on?) So definitely an A+ for "Diatribe," even if The Harpooned Heart was panned more quickly than the full opening's scene of Springfield.

DYN: ...the ambulance siren (as heard by Homer) sounded like Ralph? (Why does it sound like a lamb?) ...if 7 of Temperance's 10 children died, 3 are left? (Only Bart's and Lisa's counterparts are seen, though...where's Poochie? I mean, Maggie?)

...Ned is somewhat fundamentalist when it comes to his thoughts on cavemen? ...Lisa expects the movie of The Harpooned Heart to be lampooned on MadTV, another Fox show? ...in the visualization of the end of Marge's book, Homer harpoons Ned, but not actually through the heart? ...just like DABF18 with Burt Ward and Adam West, two guest stars whose names are usually seen one way are inverted for the no-favorites alphabetical policy (thus, Ashley and Mary-Kate Olsen)?

Previous episode references: 1F10: Couch gag similar (but delicious) 3F02: Food service item deep fried along with the food 7F22?: Homer thrown out by goons DABF03: Marge's odd "first time Xer" (stander-upper, complainer) CABF20: Homer's access to a defibrillator (though it was in a story before) 1F17: Marge imagines herself in a story of the seas DABF08: Another fantasy of sorts involving Homer's character and sailing and returning and junk AABF22: Kind of a stretch, but Ned and the "stud...detector" reminded me of "Fire! engine/helmets" DABF14: Another sort of stretch...Marge didn't seem to know Nantucket was an island, even though her mind came up with the line; similarly, consider Apu's use of "eunuch" in Homer's dream 8F18: Some sort of forbidden romance between Marge's and Ned's characters AABF02: Homer unabashedly naked in the backyard DABF14: Homer's eyes betray his actual thoughts (if only Marge had thought to "read" them this time!) BABF17: Tom Clancy makes an appearance (voiced by himself this time) 8F18: After Homer finally pays attention to a story "involving" Marge and Ned and a boorish Homer, his reaction - realizing that he should be nicer - comes as a surprise to everyone (including the viewers, even) 1F02: the "Jack Ruby" reminded me just a little of the jade monkey in the mental image I got

Other references: Barnes & Noble booksellers: Bookaccino's has its actual books all the way on the 4th floor; B&N usually fills its first floor with clearance items, magazines, the coffee shop, and light-read books. (The B&N near me actually has its music and DVDs on the second floor...anyone else? And of course, other store chains may also have multiple floors like this...) Cars (song by...someone): Homer adapts the lyrics for his own song, which is also about cars (though not directly mentioned)

Goofs: -Marge painted the sailboat (5F14), so who titled it if she didn't know that it was apparently inspired by Moby-Dick? Actually, I suppose some funster could have titled it for some reason (making fun of the simplicity of the boat compared to a whaling vessel), but I'd still file this as a goof of some sort. -Isn't Burns' office not on the ground floor? (i.e. how could Homer crash into it?)

Comments -Well, the promotions department is at it again...even though the paramedic plot was about as sub as subplots can get, Fox chose to run that instead of promoting the main plot; this seems to happen a lot with Marge- and Lisa-centric episodes...the only one that comes to mind at the moment is 5F17, but I know there are several others. (In fact, I didn't know anything about the ambulance bit until I saw the promo 5 minutes prior to airtime; I didn't even expect a subplot, since the main plot seemed fairly complex and did involve Homer and the kids, and as it happens the subplot was indeed left very little room. Not that I mind...) -Ever notice that at the Simpson house, computers get toted around wherever they're needed? Kitchen table, coffee table, the end table in the living room, Lisa's room...for a desktop computer, this seems like a lot of work...even in one episode (this one), the computer traveled from the living room to the kitchen. But there's really no place set aside in the house for a computer; when I was looking at the real-life Simpson House, I noticed some changes made - some for the size of the land available, but some because the house doesn't have certain things...a first-floor bathroom, a non-basement laundry room, a den or something for a computer. Even so, you'd think it would just become part of the standard background furniture in, say, the living room, even when it's not needed, so that it's available in one place. (At my house - which was also built before home computers were mainstream with no extra rooms - the family computer resides in the family room somewhat far from the TV; there was no space in my living room - but if I were living with the Simpsons my first ideas would be the corner of the TV room to the left of the TV and the corner of the living room close to the TV room and the hall, or where the living room's corner shelf is [moving the shelf to one of the other two spots]). A detailed imagination I have? Perhaps...

Meta-reference corner/goof? So Dr. Marvin Monroe is back, eh? This is like a soap opera...Back from the Dead! Or...from the very sick...considering his memorial hospital (2F20), gym (CABF11), and headstone (BABF10), it's pretty clear that Springfield considers him dead; I wouldn't jump at the chance of an entire "he's not really dead, and here's what happened" episode, but they could have at least said that and dropped it. Oh well...I'm sure Harry Shearer was happy (I seem to recall that he was a little disappointed when Marvin was [implied to have been] killed off...). And of course, the meta-reference is strengthened by Marge's comment ("I haven't seen you in years!") - as far as I can tell, he hadn't appeared (alive) since 1F05, but I stand to be corrected.

OT corner: In the Malcolm in the Middle episode on as I type this (Hot Tub - #510), the, um, Lastnames got a some-assembly-required hot tub, which got a thick crust of algae after a few days. In my post-writing mood the first thing I thought of was "Bart of Darkness (1F22)" - ha!

Milhouse GuidryMatt Garvey

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Duff ManMatt Garvey

"Matt Garvey" wrote in message news:[email]...

I think the frame came with the picture, hence the engraved title...

Uh...that was the joke...the car wouldn't stop and finally ended up upstairs...

Steven C (Doktersteve)Duff Man

"Duff Man" wrote in message news:[email]...

I doubt it was thought through that much, actually.

Scott MunroMatt Garvey

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:49:59 -0500, Matt Garvey wrote:

I hadn't thought about it, Matt, but in retrospect, it was kind of a rip-off!

The way I heard it, Shearer was the one who had him killed, because he hated doing the voice.

I wouldn't be surprised if we never see him again. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if we did. So I guess what I'm saying is, it could go either way.

"Yes! To be like the Hu-man! To laugh, feel, want! Why are these things not in the plan?"
Steve BrownMatt Garvey

And everything else.

Also Burns not knowing what recycling means in "The Old Man and the Lisa" and Homer not what boudoir (sp?) and photography mean in "They Save Lisa's Brain" and Homer not knowing what VIP stands for in "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington and...

Yeah, my Borders has very few books on the first floor as well.

Really? In the DVD commentaries, it was said that he HATED doing that voice, as it was a terrible strain on his throat.

Do they not have last names, or did you just forget? Because I seriously can't remember, even though I watch it semi-regularly.

Matt GarveySteve Brown

Steve Brown wrote:

Well, yes, the characters don't know a lot of things...but in these two examples, the very characters who didn't consciously seem to know what the words meant used them (correctly) in their minds...then had to look them up, to great surprise.

I'm just going from memory of the commentaries and articles and interviews...I seem to remember that it was not his favorite voice (or that of some execs or somebody, who felt that a voice like that didn't belong in a cartoon), but he was still somewhat disappointed when he found out Marvin was gone. (Like, "Hey, I haven't had to do Monroe's voice in a while..." "Yeah, Harry, we got rid of him last season." "Oh...well, okay.") But if anyone has more concrete evidence than that, go nuts.

Haha...they don't have last names. I think originally they were going to be called the Wilkersons, but for one reason or another that was dropped and it was (later?) decided that they'd have no last names...ever. Still, in some A&E special or something (which is included on the first season DVDs), they refer to that, so it was a very surprising thing to see.

Nathan Mulac DeHoffMatt Garvey

Matt Garvey:

It's not exactly the same, but Burns apparently knew what recycling was in "Dog of Death." I guess he forgot by the time of "The Old Man and the Lisa," or else the writers did, just like they forgot that they had called Burns a billionaire in earlier episodes.

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Duff ManSteve Brown

"Steve Brown" wrote in message news:[email]...

It's Wilkerson...

Apparently, it was on Francis's uniform in one scene in the first episode...

YamaSteve Brown

Maybe Marge knew the "There Once Was A Man From Nantucket" limerick. Or at least part of it. How many people born in March know where Kaitain/Alrisha is?

Also, I wonder if Rob Wade will start posting again, since there's a town called Gay Head on Martha's Vineyard.

Steve Brown wrote:

David SibleyMatt Garvey

Matt Garvey wrote in message news:...

I really liked the episode as well. If you had told me 10 years ago that an episode revolving around Marge would have been this enjoyable, I would have thought you were crazy. As of late, the Marge-centric episodes have been very good (My guess is because they can't get to wacky with her as they do with Homer and Bart).

The ending with Homer was a complete surprise. I figured he'd do something very stupid, but they writers decided against the throwaway ending. Granted, Homer won't have remembered anything...

Overall, it was a very solid episode. There were plenty of laughs without having to lose quality (I loved the Jack Ruby). I'm glad this season has really been an improvement over the last few seasons. Hopefully, we'll be able to leave the memories of seasons 9-13 behind.

I think it's pretty obvious that there are two Dr. Marvin Monroes in Springfield. The one we never met died. I believe Harry Shearer was happy to lose Monroe. As I understand it, Monroe's voice hurt Shearer's throat.

I personally consider this a goof more than a meta-reference though it really is a little bit of both. Dr. Marvin Monroe's death has been mentioned or alluded to multiple times. They could have easily done this with another character we haven't seen in a while. There is a huge list of minor characters from the early seasons.

Steven C (Doktersteve)Matt Garvey

"Matt Garvey" wrote in message news:[email]... <SNIP>

Gary Neuman. Cars.

"here in my car / I feel safest of all..."

a great 1980's electronica new age track.

somedudeMatt Garvey

Matt Garvey wrote:

Maybe the bedroom, for obvious reasons...

Benjamin RobinsonMatt Garvey

In alt.tv.simpsons, on the "Notes for FABF05 (Diatribe of a Mad Housewife)" thread, Matt Garvey wrote:

They should just get a laptop, then. That's what I did when I noticed that whoever set up my original (furnished) apartment didn't have computers in mind.

I just remembered that scene from "Top Secret." Some fellow was talking on the phone about an injured man: "Uh-huh ... yes ... well, let me know if his condition changes." [hangs up] "He's dead."

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Nathan Mulac DeHoffBenjamin Robinson

Benjamin Robinson:

Didn't Lisa have a laptop in "A Tale of Two Springfields"?

Nathan [email] http://members.aol.com/jinnicky/ "And the silver chauffeur says it's all in your head, when you're 24 karat
Benjamin RobinsonNathan Mulac DeHoff

In alt.tv.simpsons, on the "Re: Notes for FABF05 (Diatribe of a Mad Housewife)" thread, Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote:

I believe she did. We never saw it again, though. Maybe she borrowed it from a friend. Or Homer traded it for magic beans.

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zvoidxMatt Garvey

Matt Garvey wrote in message news:...

The computers they use have a mouse, appear fairly modern and, in some episodes, have access to the internet. Marge uses a dot matrix printer in this ep. (Everything else is up to date but that??) It appears that the Simpsons never age, but the world around them progresses. Marge says to Marvin Monroe, "I haven't seen you in years"...but the last time she saw him, she and her family were the same age...

Nathan Mulac DeHoffzvoidx

zvoidx:

The computer salesman talks Homer into buying a much more advanced computer than he requires back in "The Computer Wore Menace Shoes."

That's the joke, see? One we also see quite a bit on Futurama, where dot matrix printers seem to be quite commonplace in the 31st century.

Nathan [email] http://members.aol.com/jinnicky/ "And the silver chauffeur says it's all in your head, when you're 24 karat