inside the actors studio

(i never know where to put the apostrophe in there...anyway,) i remember reading a few weeks ago that the cast of the Simpsons was going to be on ITAS at some point, and I thought I read it would be in november. Of course it is november now...but bravo's website doesn't list this particular episode anywhere. Does anyone know when that's actually supposed to be on?

Matt Garvey wrote in message news:[email]...

Try to remember back to third grade. After plural nouns, the apostrophe (signifying possession) comes after the final "s".

"Actors' studio" is correct.

Thanks, mr. condescending. I meant, I didn't know if they treated it as plural or singular...like, inside the studio of a bunch of actors, or just one actor at a time (which is how the show is, i guess...kind of like "inside this particular actor's studio"). And some people leave the apostrophe out altogether (doesn't the Friars Club do that?), so you never know.

iggy17ren wrote:

(growls in mean tone) F. Murray Abraham...

"Typhoo112" wrote in message news:[email]...

Wheres your messiah now? gnahhhhhh!

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Sorry, but <ahem> the statement stands QUOTE

This does not leave your above explanation available to possible interpretation, for the following three reasons.

1. If your above explanation is correct, you would not use a progressive adverb in the original statement. "I never know" Rather, you would have used a perfect tense "I do not know if it is singular or plural" since we are speaking of a single instance, that is, the actors' studio, and not a continual state of unknowing.

2. You would not have used the interrogative pronoun "where" since it is not nessecary to inquire whether or not it is many actors using one studio.

3. You defended you alleged mistake, asserting that some leave it out all together. This would have been totally unnesecary if your original intent was to inquire about apostrophes.

Thank you, and I now leave you, I who am the intellectual superior, "Mr. Condescending."

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First, let me apologize for the epithet Mr. Condescending. It was a bit off the cuff, and I was actually considering deleting my post and re-posting my reply without that, but didn't think it would be taken so seriously and personally. Next, I should point out that you were being somewhat provocative with your remark about third grade (if it was meant in good fun, I doubt you'd flip out at my name-calling; if I myself took what might have been an innocent comment the wrong way and caused you offense for what then would be no good reason, again I apologize; otherwise, you had it coming). See below if you wish, and can we leave it at that?

iggy17ren wrote:

Didn't you interpret it yourself in your reply?

I'll agree that "never" is a word to use carefully, and here I wasn't, because I wasn't expecting to get into a great grammatical debate. I meant that in general, unless I read it from the actual originator of the phrase, it is hard to determine which way they do it - whether or not it is correct, especially in the case of no apostrophe at all. "I do not know" is the present tense, unless you have been translating from some language such as Latin where the verb "to know" can actually be the perfect form of the verb "to learn" (cognosco).

In my statement, "where" is actually a conjunction, and it referred to where in the word "actors" (if at all) the apostrophe should be placed (and by should, I mean that the arbiter there is the originator of the phrase). I do not see quite what your interpretation of my use of the word is.

My original intent was to inquire about the appearance of the voice cast of The Simpsons on the show in question. Even if my original intent were (the subjunctive, not indicative, because we both know this conditional clause is contrary-to-fact) to inquire about apostrophes, surely that could include the absence of them (consider a question about "its" vs. "it's"; there is no apostrophe in "its," yet that's a valid question).

By the way, I had not paid much attention to the punctuation on my first visit to Bravo's website because the issue hadn't come up, but I went there just now, and guess what? They don't use an apostrophe. Right or wrong, that is the official spelling of that show's name. (I know how you feel; I myself think there should be an apostrophe somewhere, but it depends on the number of "actor(s)." Still, it's not an issue I wish to take up with Bravo or another appropriate party.)

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Apology noted and accepted. One of the most beautiful uses of the English Language, or any language for that matter, is to express regret. Actually I kinda like having the nickname "Mr. Condescending". I may adopt it.

Okay, but if you don't mind, I must point out one error.

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No, "where" in your statement can only be the interrogative pronoun, and AS YOU STATE RIGHT ABOVE it stands for "where in the word 'actors'". Conjunctions do NOT refer to things, rather they join sentences, phrases, etc.

You are absolutely right. Look back at my previous messages, you will never see me use an apostrophe when writing "The Simpsons" (unless of course I am expressing possession.)

After all, the name of the show doesn't mean "Of the Simpsons", rather, it expresses a group of two or more people, hence ONE "s" and no apostrophe.

Yes, so now I am willing to leave it at that, presuming that you are also satisfied.

Magnificus! Anyone who knows Latin is a friend of mine, amice mee! Ubi studes (vel ubi studuisti?) Volubilis es? Simpsons rationes multis Linguae Latinae continet! Dilecta mea (ratio) Martin (Martino :-) ) est, et quando Groundskeeper Willie ait, "You've mastered a dead tongue, now can you handle a live one!" <vel QUIDQUID>

Non precem Itchy intellegere vel convertere possum. Vox sua non clarus est, et closed caption non verba continet.

Gratias tibi ago!

Glad we could settle this amicably. If you adopt that nickname, it might have an advantageous result...if someone says that you're not, you can prove them wrong. (Kind of like asking to be called "Mr. Argumentative" but a little harder to convince people of its verity.)

I still have to disagree with you: I consulted my dictionary before replying, just to be sure. It lists it as an adverb first, e.g. "Where are the blank tapes?" - then as a conjunction second. It gives numerous examples, and they seem to fit best (some are "He lives where the climate is mild" and "Go where you are happy" - these both have indicative verbs; although I used an infinitive, it seems to work anyway). Even a conjunction is a kind of relative word, although usually we think of it as connecting two more separate ideas than when "where" is used. It also gives a third part of speech, "where" as a noun, but the examples given don't really work here either: "We know the when but not the where of it" and "Where are you from?" So while treating it as a relative pronoun does make sense (especially if you think of "where to put the apostrophe in there" as a noun clause), it doesn't seem that English grammar feels the same way.

Yeah, I think so...

As the header should indicate (sorry if it doesn't), I'm at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland. I took Latin in high school for 4 years and then Greek for 2 years here; I'm not fluent in either, especially for conversation, but I only had to look up a few words (and no declensions or conjugation rules) to get your meaning in the surrounding sentences. I like that particular section of 3F04, but I'm surprised you didn't mention Martin's/Willy's/the writers' error of conjugating "mori" in the active, when it's a deponent verb.

Et tibi! Do I gather from your above statements that you can't understand Itchy's voice and it's not closed captioned? That's pretty odd...anyway, I'm outta here.

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Thank you... but no I said "interrgotive" not relative... relative pronouns are "who which" (qui, quae quod"

Conjunctions normally connect to complete sentences, as in the two examples you provided. Your original statement was an indirect question, "where is the apostrophe"

Sorry to steal the last word, reply if you wish. I figured that you wouldn't mind if I were to be brief and non-condescending. Any Latin scholar is accustomed to being patient, GREEK students even more.

Is this mentioned in the capsule? I hope so...

I tried to listen a couple times, but he talks VERY fast and not clearly, and although it sounds like Latin I'm not sure it actually is. I think a good portion in gibberish. Closed caption simply says "praying in Latin" I listen to a lot of Latin and understand very well, but I just couldn't make out what Itchy is saying. He certainly doesn't say "Scratchy" of "feles", at least one of which it is thought would be necessary.

Ah, I don't know why I didn't think of an indirect question before. But even an interrogative pronoun is incorrect, I think; it's not a pronoun, period. In certain cases (as in my previous reply) it can be a noun, but I think you'll agree it's not a pronoun there. I checked ubi in my Latin dictionary; it is classified as an adverb first and conjunction second, just as in my English dictionary, and again it fits better as a conjunction. I also looked up "ut" - though it doesn't introduce indirect questions, it does introduce a lot of other clauses of the same form, such as purpose and result, and there it is a conjunction too. It does seem odd, but consider that "I don't know" and "to put the apostrophe" are pretty much complete; the first doesn't make a lot of sense, but many conjunctions ("but," "although") serve to qualify the other part, so if you think of it that way, it makes more sense. Feel free to consult an English professor if you want.

Yeah, it is.

Oh, just that one part? I can't remember what episode that's in, but it was probably just a quickly-rattled-off version of Pater Noster or some other prayer that could be grace; also, it was probably in church pronunciation, thus making it harder to discern to a Latin student (one result of taking Latin is that I find it funny to hear the "improper" pronunciation like c=ch!).

By the way, if anyone else has read this far, feel free to comment.

That'd be it.

Sorry to take us off topic again, but...

Thinking about it, I actually heard him say:

In nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti, Amen.

So, there you go.

You must have meant patriS. Third declension.

Anyway, which episode is this in? I don't remember it.

Wouldn't this be in the genitive case? I never thought about it very much- I took Latin at a public school, and so, despite 9 years of it, we didn't get into prayers (Superintendent Chalmers: "That sounded like a prayer. A prayer. A prayer in a public school!!?!?!?!?").

Bah. Where I was going with this was that I never saw "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen" written down (i.e. not in school), I just repeated it after the mumbly Chicago priests. And I didn't hear it very often, as I'm a post-Vatican II Catholic. And... well, that's about it. But I'm sure that whatever the Latin translation is is what Itchy is trying to say.

Katijaikat wrote in message news:[email]...

It is genitive. The third declension genitive singular ending is -is. SECOND declension is -i.

Is there no place for the man with the 105 IQ?

"NE Whitlock" wrote in message news:pjkA9.15527$V16.19296@rwcrnsc54...

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power off, einstein!!!

FYI, it's the possessive "your", not "you".

Funny how grammar nitpicks usually end up with typos...

It's God's way of balancing the universe, I guess.

Thanks for the correction. Although I do claim to have superior intelligence, I must admit to being a lousy typist. Perhaps I need more practice operating my keyboard machine.

You know they have the internet on computers now, don't you?

Somebody claiming to be "iggy17ren" wrote in news:YDzA9.315$[email]:

Press any key. Hmmm. Where's the "Any" key?

In article , Matt Garvey wrote:

Actually, you would have been better off doing a web search on "Lee Strasberg." That would have enabled you to find the correct position of the apostrophe (or rather the lack of an apostrophe) in the name of the school.

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Lee Strasberg? Wasn't he a retired investor living on a pension?

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[email] (Aaron Hirshberg) wrote in message news:...

On Bravo they are showing "The Godfather Saga" this week. Either today 11/14/02, or tomorrow, we will see Lee Strasberg, "retired investor living on a pension", get shot in an airport by a button man from the Corleone family.

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Or, perhaps, New School University, where the show is hosted.

Okay, ins'ide the actors' s'tuido ...

Long thread here, but apparently nobody knows the answer to Matt's original question. I would love to see that. (add apostrophes wherever needed)

"Matt Garvey" wrote in message news:[email]...

[also e-mailed, since Mr. Garvey may have given up on this thread]

In alt.tv.simpsons, on the "inside the actors studio" thread, Matt Garvey wrote:

As I remember it, the cast was *recording* the show in November, but it wouldn't be aired until February. Hopefully by then we'll have resolved where the apostrophe goes in "actors studio."

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