Vietnam 2 Preflight Check!

VIETNAM 2 - PREFLIGHT CHECK

• Cabal of oldsters who won't listen to outside advice? Check.

• No understanding of ethnicities of the many locals? Check.

3. Imposing country boundaries drawn in Europe, not by the locals? Check.

• Unshakeable faith in our superior technology? Check.

• France secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

• Russia secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

• China secretly hoping we fall on our asses? Check.

8. Sec. OF Defense pushing a conflict the Joint Chiefs of Staff never wanted? Check.

• Fear we'll look bad if we back down now? Check.

• Corrupt Texan in the White House? Check.

• Land war in Asia? Check.

• Right unhappy with outcome of previous war? Check.

• Enemy easily moves in/out of neighboring countries? Check.

• Soldiers about to be dosed with *our own* chemicals? Check.

• Friendly fire problem ignored instead of solved? Check.

• Anti-Americanism up sharply in Europe? Check.

• B-52 bombers? Check.

• Helicopters that clog up on the local dust? Check.

• In-fighting among the branches of the military? Check.

• Locals that cheer us by day, hate us by night? Check.

• Local experts ignored? Check.

• Local politicians ignored? Check.

23. Locals used to conflicts lasting longer than the USA has been a country? Check.

• Against advice, President won't raise taxes to pay for war? Check.

• Blue water navy ships operating in brown water? Check.

• Use of nukes hinted at if things don't go our way? Check.

• Unpopular war? Check.

VIETNAM 2 - YOU ARE CLEARED TO TAXI!

LOL.... you fucking America-hating morons have been predicting Vietnam II for every conflict since the end of Vietnam I. The first gulf war was supposed to be Vietnam II, wasn't it? So was Afghanistan. Now this.

I know that you are hoping to see another Vietnam so that you all can relive the sixties, but sorry to tell you that it just ain't gonna happen.

Now fuck off, asshole, because the moment of truth is about to happen, and you are all about to be made fools of (again).

Thomas J. Paladino Jr. New York City

(hateful propaganda snipped)

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message news:%VJaa.102101$[email]...

relive

Let's see....original poster made points without getting nasty. Your response....insulting and vulgar. Yeah....you're a Republican.

Brian

"Brian in VA" wrote in message news:ohLaa.175165$[email]...

II

and

You are obviously confused. It is Democrats that preach tolerance but vomit forth insults, vindictive speech, and everything thing else they preach against.

Bone wrote:

You're even more confused. Both political parties are guilty of such things on numerous occasions.

vomit

as a democrat, i can assure you that i've never preached against either of those things.

"Bone" wrote in message news:QKQaa.32779$[email]...

vomit

Especially that vile, foul-mouthed Alan Alda.

Actually, his points were ridiculous. They weren't worthy of a serious rebuttal.

"France has neither winter, nor summer, nor morals. France is miserable because it is filled with Frenchmen, and Frenchmen are miserable because they live in France" - Mark Twain

On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:04:38 -0500, Chris� wrote:

Chris, what do you want to tell us with this nice little signature you have there? wouldn't you like to tell about it and say what it has to to with this diskussion here? This is your chance to profe all wrong that think you are an aggressive fool when they read your postings!

Thank You,

David (from germany(stinks).com!)

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message news:%VJaa.102101$[email]...

Some people really need a blowjob. You could probably get hooked up in Times Square for $20.

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message news:%VJaa.102101$[email]...

This isn't even "Gulf War II" It's merely the conclusion of the first gulf war. We just took a break, that's all

"Wavking" wrote in message news:[email]...

II

gulf

Bravo! I will not resort to profanity, but the original post was a load of treasonous garbage AND off topic to boot!

The original poster shoult go to alt.liberal.bedwetters and post his "humor" and stick to OFF here.

"Arturo Fuente" wrote in message news:[email]...

Pretty broad definition of treason you have there.

I suppose you think Jane Fonda ought to be hanged, or at least have her workout tape banned.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:25:30 -0600, "Mercutio Jones" wrote:

I detest the tendency of some conservatives to shout "treason!" at every opportunity ("treason" seems to be becoming a catchall insult for conservatives the way "racism" is for liberals).

However, I must point out that Jane Fonda really *is* a traitor.

"Scott Munro" wrote in message

I just want to know if Ted Turner ever banged her in her Barbarella outfit.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:05:25 -0600, "Mercutio Jones" wrote:

Think it would fit him?

No, her career being where it is, plus having seen Ted Turner naked was punishment enough for that bitch.

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" - General George S. Patton.

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:40:22 -0500, Chris� wrote:

uhh..another nice saying by some old ww2 hero, again...what has this to do with the current discussion? btw. I'm sure general Patton would not dare to talk about war in the manner you're showing it here, because he experienced it! man, how old are you?

"Mercutio Jones" wrote in message news:[email]...

treason noun [U] (the crime of) lack of loyalty to your country, esp. by helping its enemies or attempting to defeat its government

seems to apply here

Hang Hanoi Jane? Waste of a perfectly good rope. I'd just deport her to Cuba or North Korea and see how much freedom of speech she'd have then.

"Arturo Fuente" wrote in message news:[email]...

enemies

That's funny. I thought criticism of the government was a 1st Amendment right. Now that you guys define criticism of the Bush administration as "lack of loyalty to your country," I guess the next step is to form the Thought Police.

In alt.tv.simpsons, on the "Re: Vietnam 2 Preflight Check!" thread, Arturo Fuente wrote:

Ah, but a patriot like yourself is no doubt familiar with Article III, Section 3, Clause 1 of the Constitution, which defines treason thusly:

Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

So, joining the Iraqi army is treason. Sending nuclear weapon plans to the Iranians is treason. Giving food and shelter to North Korean soldiers is treason. Pretty much nothing else is -- certainly not complaining our foreign policy.

See? The Constitution is not just some papers with fancy handwriting on it. It's full of useful legal tidbits, just like that one!

the

what about providing plans to a nuclear power plant to albania? treason?

* Some of the Facts as of 3/07/2003 <http://commondreams.org/views03/0308-09.htm> * *by Bill C. Davis*

A man wearing a T-shirt reading "Give peace a Chance" is arrested at a Mall (private property) in Albany. On February 15th protestors were forbidden to march in New York City. The vice president's lawyer sent a threatening letter to a website that parodied Lynne Cheney. The bare breasts on the statue of a woman that stood behind John Ashcroft as he gave briefings were draped. The tapestry of Guernica at the U.N. was also draped and covered during interviews with diplomats discussing war with Iraq. Poets were disinvited to the White House when it was learned thay had anti-war verses and they intended to read them. False reports of Osama bin Laden's sons being captured aired fifteen minutes before the Security Council at the UN convened to hear Hans Blix's report on the disarmament of Iraq. An accurate report that North Korea was planning missile tests in the Sea of Japan aired twenty-five minutes before the same Security Council convened. Colin Powell's voice cracked several times as he made a case for military action following speeches from the German, Russian and French ambassadors making a case for a peaceful resolution. Jack Straw, without listening to the interpretation of Mohammed Aldouri, the Iraqi ambassador to the UN, was caught on camera sharing a laugh with a US diplomat as the ambassador from Iraq was speaking. The US diplomat was sitting in Colin Powell's seat. At the exact same time Mohammed Aldouri was making his case before the Security Council, Colin Powell was conducting a press conference that aired on all cable news. The image most of the American people saw and heard was Powell answering questions with an insert of the Iraqi ambassador. Powell was heard again, Aldouri was a silent moving image. Powell did say that the last thing anyone wants is war. Bush said no one wants war. Timothy McVeigh was a Gulf War veteran. Most Iraqi citizens say they will fight an invading force. The prisons in Iraq have been emptied. It has been widely reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered military uniforms that look like American and British uniforms and that his soldiers will wear those uniforms, perform atrocities on their countrymen and blame the Americans and British. Any democrat would beat George Bush in an election held right now. The New York Times reports that 3,000 "precision guided" missiles will hit Baghdad if the inspections are abandoned and Bush gives the order. The decision is Bush's alone to make. Bush did not win the popular vote. A restaurant owner in Long Island poured a thousand dollars worth of French wine down the toilet in protest to France's resistance to U. S. military action against Iraq. The envoy from the Pope, who believes that an attack against Iraq would be immoral and illegal, was given a photo op session with Bush. The customary live cameras and microphones were not used for that visit. The Pope also intervened on behalf of Karla Faye Tucker to then Governor Bush. Bush did not show clemency and she was executed. Bush claims to lose no sleep over the executions allowed under his watch as Governor of Texas. Texas used to be part of Mexico, it was then an independent state for nine years, was annexed by the US and war with Mexico followed. Mexico supports the inspections and a peaceful resolution to the Iraq crisis. Senior journalist Helen Thomas was scrubbed and marginalized at the recent and rare press conference held by Bush. She made the statement the he is the worst president she has ever covered. At this press conference Bush mentioned September 11th eleven times and yet no journalist asked him about the progress of the investigation into September 11th. No connection has been made between Iraq and September 11th. The president's job is to keep the American people safe.

Tommy Franks is ready. France will veto. Bush prays for peace.

Topes wrote:

The article forgets to mention that we bought Alaska from the Russians and they're against the war. We bought Louisiana from the French- you guessed it: they're against the war too. We fought the British in 1812 and the Spanish in the Spanish-American war. Is Bush collaborating with enemies to make his oil buddies wealthy?

If Helen Thomas's right to be the first questioner at presidential news conferences is taken away, how safe is mine? If the right of anti-war protestors to trespass is taken away, will I have the right to trespass tomorrow? These are important questions that every American should be gravely concerned about.

CNN gave 42 minutes of coverage to the Iraqi ambassador last week. Powell got over 3 hours. An accident- or are they doing it to us on purpose?

Plus, Bush stole the election. That means no war for oil.

and all this means what to me?

remember about 4,000,000,000,000 years from now this will be all over and then who are you going to complan to?

"simpsfan" wrote in message news:[email]...

...

I don't think the Iraqi people were as loyal as the Viet Cong. During the first gulf war they surrendered in droves, I think they're even more demoralized now.

"simpsfan" wrote in message news:[email]...

Unpopular among anti-Americans(Democrats) and Hollywood loud mouth freaks(more Democrats).

"Bone" wrote in message news:JPQaa.32795$[email]...

Then where are the thousands of pro-Americans protesting for the war??

Brian

Because the millions who support the president stayed home. Most polls show continued support for a potential war despite the left's best efforts. The anti-war effort has not achieved the broad coalition it so desperately needs. It's a cabal of the usual suspects: leftists, anarchists, environmentalist, naive college students, naive college professors, Bush haters and Palestinian apologists.

"France has neither winter, nor summer, nor morals. France is miserable because it is filled with Frenchmen, and Frenchmen are miserable because they live in France" - Mark Twain

"Chris�" wrote in message news:[email]...

All the smart college students and professors support the war, since they won't be going.

I live by an army base, and frankly, most of the soldiers (I know about 15 guys with orders and another 10 who haven't gotten them yet) I know think this war is bullshit, BTW.

Kind of pathetic when your own troops don't believe in their mission.

Wow, what a scientific poll you've taken.

Zogby, watch out!

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" - General George S. Patton.

"Chris�" wrote in message news:[email]...

Never claimed to be scientific, but a reasonable person might extrapolate from something this informal that if *most* of the soldiers one person knows personally are willing to vocalize opposition (which they are discouraged from doing) there must be something significant. The only member of the military I know that supports the war is my bro-in-law in the USAF.

What unit do you serve with, anyway, or are you another one of those conservatives who's all gung ho for others to go fight?

I do not advocate sending American soldiers into harms way lightly. Please spare me your hypocritical diatribe. It's insane to limit decision making involving military matters to those who are in the military.

I was also in the World Trade Center on 9/11. According to your warped logic, I have a more justifiable platform to advocate war with terrorists than you do.

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" - General George S. Patton.

"Chris�" wrote in message news:[email]...

I'm glad you feel that way, since we have a President who couldn't be bothered to show up for Texas Air National Guard duty, which most people would consider an AWOL offense worthy of time in a stockade.

But, hey, when your daddy's a rich former head of the CIA, I guess the laws don't apply, eh?

Now it really does sound like VN.

"Bone" wrote in message news:JPQaa.32795$[email]...

you mean like the MAJORITY of voters who chose Al Gore? are MOST americans anti-american?

abe michaelson wrote:

Don't you know they're going to Iraq to install democracy? That way if Saddam gets fewer votes than his opponent next election he'll _still_ have a chance to be the ruler again!

"abe michaelson" wrote in message news:%gUaa.10798$[email]...

news:[email]...

There is a little thing in the US called the Electoral College that elects the President. But I'll cut you some slack, as most of your ilk attended some lefty school that was too busy filling your head with PC garbage, global warming, and outcome based education to actually teach you anything about basic history and civics 101.

yes, i know about the electoral college. that's why i also know that we have a president who was elected, but lost the popular vote. bush got more votes in florida? possible. bush got more votes in the entire country? un-possible.

there's more to being an american than blind loyalty to any president, let alone this one.

In article , "abe michaelson" wrote:

No candidate won the popular vote.

"Lord Jubjub" wrote in message news:[email]...

elects

attended

anything

lost

true enough...

"abe michaelson" wrote in message news:Zatba.9767$[email]...

elects

anything

Or the massive Democrat vote fraud that was going on throughout the country

keeping polls open longer in St. Louis

Smokes for Votes in Milwaukee

and the fraudulent recounts in Florida

lost

country

a. the votefraud in florida was enough that no republican (or anyone smart enough to follow a new york times article) has any buisness even bringing it up, although i do agree that the recount was fraudulent.

b. you didn't even understand the point i made in the first place - bush lost the popular vote. he got fewer votes overall than gore. the location of those votes & the electoral college system, along with his brother & kathleen harris controlling florida & a 5-4 vote in the supreme court, put bush in office.

and yet, blind allegiance to this man is somehow expected of me. war in iraq? sure! dismantle the epa? why not!

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:22:47 GMT, "abe michaelson" wrote:

A) Capitalization is our friend.

B) Here's the deal on the 2000 Presidential election:

Bush won the Presidency because he got a majority of Electoral College votes. That's all that counts. He didn't "lose the popular vote," because there *is* no national popular vote. To say he "lost the popular vote" is like counting up the total runs made by each team in the World Series and discovering that the winning team in fact made fewer total runs than the loser over all nine games. It simply doesn't matter. That's not the way the game is played.

Bush won Florida's electoral votes--which put him over the top in the Electoral College--because he got more legal votes than any other candidate.

Now, the election in Flordia was very close; so close, in fact, that if the election had been conducted perfectly, we don't know what the result would have been. If every legal voter in Florida who wanted to vote (and no one else) had cast a proper ballot for the candidate of his or her choice, Gore might have won. Or Bush might have won. And so far as I can see, there is no particular reason (apart from partisan bias) to assume either outcome.

Of course, a perfect election is an impossibility (elections being run by human beings and all), so in the case of a very close election, there are rules in place to determine the winner.

Under the rules which pre-existed the 2000 election, George W. Bush won Florida's electoral votes, which gave him the Presidency. What the Democrats wanted to do is change the rules after the fact because they disliked the results--in other words, to steal the election.

I don't think for a second that such things will concern you; the Democratic Party and its minions have entirely abandoned the rule of law in their fevered pursuit of political power.

that was reasonable, up to the end.

in general - capitalization is fine, i choose not to use it much in emails but that's OK if you want to; your world series analogy is good, up to a point (as a tennis match analysis would also be). but it says something about the current president got such a small percentage of the popular vote. which does exist, btw; it's tabluated, and almost always corresponds to the actual winner of the election. the electoral college is an odd system, which doesn't inherently favor one side or the other. it's something _less_ than democracy, but in the long run that's ok, because i think that it would be even more chaotic without it. what bothers me is that lately, more and more people act as though this president deserves blind support, and that everyone who disagrees with his policies is somehow unpatriotic/unamerican/a traitor.

Sadly enough, alot of them are

Look at the crowds attending the "peace" rallys. There are many signs and chants that are personal attacks on President Bush that have nothing to do with a principled objection to military action. It is their right as an American to protest policy, and while I disagree with them, I respect their right to do it. I will not respect those who are still simmering over the results of the 2000 election, and have a personal hatered of the President, as an excuse to protest our country. I believe those who protest in such a fashion ARE un-american. How many of them took to the streets in 1998 when President Clinton was saying many of the same things as President Bush in regards to Iraq?

"Arturo Fuente" wrote in message news:[email]...

country

Hey, Art, isn't the foil in your hat due for a smoothing out?

"Arturo Fuente" wrote in message news:[email]...

Yeah, and it's a remnant of an 18th century attempt to make the election process both more efficient (back when tallying the votes was all by hand, and it would have taken months and months to find out the results of a popular election) and to also ensure that more control of elections belonged to the "gentry" class and not the rabble.

No, it's a system set up to prevent the president from being selected election after election by the voters of the most populous states. Read the Federalist Papers.

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" - General George S. Patton.

"Chris�" wrote in message news:[email]...

How about you read between the lines of the Federalist Papers, particularly #60?

Perhaps their literal meaning is more pertinent to this conversation.

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" - General George S. Patton.

"Chris�" wrote in message news:[email]...

Well, go ahead and read it literally, then. It's essentially what I said, only in more arcane language.

The point, as stated in Federalist #60, is that political power, in Madison's view, ought to be concentrated in the hands of land owners.

Essentially what I had stated the FP say.

What's wrong with that? The EC is based on an assumption that a select group, i.e., the Electors, know better than the voters.

"Bone" wrote in message news:JPQaa.32795$[email]...

Weren't you the guy squawking about insults a post or so back?

• Popular among those blind to their own hypocrisy.

simpsfan wrote in message news:...

Wow! Way to be on topic! And with such stinging criticism of the current war plans. You sure did take this info to the people who make the decisions too! Way to go dude!

Andrew Burns "Hey, if you don't like it, go to Russia."

Yeah, I also thought that was a good episode he was talking about. The one where Homer was the AH-64 gunner! Ha!

"DA" wrote in message news:...

"If they run they're V.C. If they stand still they're well-trained V.C."

Andrew Burns "What is your major malfunction numbnuts!?!"

Q: "How do you shoot women & children?"

A: "Easy, you just don't lead 'em so much!"