... during a national tragedy, your first thoughts are not to the victims, but to a certain "Simpsons" episode. For shame.
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this IS simpsons newsgroup with some very big fans in here...i'm sure noone in this group upon hearing of the attack what episode it reminded them of...they thought nothing but horror. but it's a couple days later. at some point things have to go back to the way they were.
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Not unless we fight for that freedom. Things are NOT going back as they were, just because we escape into a TV show.
I never for one second got the impression from any of the people talking about "a certain Simpsons episode" that they were not also in mourning about what has happened. We all deal with tragedy in different ways. When you are trying to come to terms with the reality of something that seems so unreal, sometimes you relate it to how it changes everyday things. For most people the immediate reality of the situation is how unbelievable it is that those buildings are no longer standing...and of course all of the death and destruction that came with that reality. It's natural when dealing with this to think about how it changes your everday reality. For people of New York, the fact that everytime they look across their skyline and see those buildings missing they will be reminded of this tragedy. For the those of us who have never been to NY, the reality of the buildings is based on what we know of them through TV or movies or books or pictures. So while someone who has visited the WTC may be reminded in the wake of this tragedy of their visit (or favorite visit) to the WTC...for the rest of us we can only be reminded of the visit to the WTC by one of our most favorite TV characters.
Most of the posts I have seen in this newsgroup in the last days have contained nothing but heartfelt thoughts about how this has affected everyone. Even the posts about the NY episode were mindful about the affect of seeing the imagery of the WTC on a show on the victims and everyone else trying to come to terms with this disaster.
There should be no shame for anyone who is trying to come to terms with this in whatever way they know how...and wanting to share their thoughts with fellow Simpsons fans.
Kevin
Jamie wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Kevin Madden wrote:
Well said, Kevin. I believe that, when starting to think about what consequences this tragedy might bring, one relates to changes in ones everyday life. And since most (or at least some) of us spend an unhealthy amount of time watching/discussing "the Simpsons", it is not very hard to relate possible consequences to episodes containing references to the WTC.
/ Kristian
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I believe I am older than a lot of folks on this ng, (maybe not the oldest, because the Simpsons appeals to people of all ages), but I have lived through a lot of crisis situations in my life. I have lived through dark times in this country from Pearl Harbor through Korea, Viet Nam, and all conflicts since. I have also suffered through family tragedies from the inevitable loss of family members as the generations age and die, through loss of family members, both in military conflicts and a couple of tragic accidents over the years. But as time passes, the things that make the healing process and recovery proceed are the many constants in my life. Besides the obvious things, such as friends, family and faith, there are things like music, hobbies, and yes, even TV shows like the Simpsons. When something that is a daily part of your life is taken away, never to be returned, the routine parts of your life that remain intact become that much more important, even crutial, in helping you cope and recover. For instance, when I log on to the net now, I see reminders on nearly every page of this great tragedy that is still unfolding. What will happen to the poor folks in New York, how long will it take them to clean up and return to any type of normalcy? What will the financial situation of our country be when wall street reopens on Monday. Are more attacks going to occur? What will our retalilation consist of? How long will the war go on? How many of our friends and loved ones will be put at risk or possibly killed once we begin to take military action against the terrorists? So much current sorrow and so much uncertainty for the immediate and long term future can really take its toll on a person. But then I know that if I jump over to 'ats' that I will be able to find a lot of business as usual. That doesn't reflect poorly on the people here who are simpsons fans, people who are discussing their favorite or least favorite episodes. Nor does it mean that discussing a comedy animated TV show shows lack of concern or compassion for the woes of the folks in New York and Washington. Instead, you people are, even though in a small way, providing a much needed haven to assist in the healing process. Most of you may not remember WWII, but you have all, no doubt, seen all of the bugs bunny cartoons made during the early to mid 40's. There were numerous ones made about the war. And bugs, in his own way, helped some people cope with the horrible tragedies we suffered during that time in our country's history. Bugs was there before the war, during the war, and for decades after the war. He was only a cartoon, but he was a constant during a time when a constant was needed. Homer and the gang are now as much a part of our culture as bugs and his gang. Heck, the Jeep got its name from the little animal that was on Popeye cartoons, Eugene the Jeep.
Anyway, my point is, this news group needs to remain proud of its ability to be able to conduct business as usual. Havens such as this are a necessary area of escape and normalcy during these dark and horrid times.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you. Your post was wonderful. :-)
ScottSPM
"carlyn neff" wrote in message news:3iso7.127657$[email]...
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I disagree. We can't overcome this. We shouldn't. This should sit in our souls. I think we need to forget the "escapes" for now, because we may not have them in the future. I do agree we should continue to talk and support each other, since this is a community of sorts. Who cares if 99% of the posts are off topic, at this time? I can't be bothered with something as trivial as a TV show during something like this. It's a time to strengthen ourselves mentally, emotionally, physically, and to prepare ourselves to get our freedom back. A good portion of it is missing. We have no choice about the fight, because the fight has been taken to us. If we sit around with our head in the sand watching TV or sports as if nothing happened, it is a mockery to the tragic event. The terrorists don't care about us continuing our lives. They attacked, and killed civilians. They hurt a country which they hate because of a perception of arrogance, and because of jealousy. It was not their place to do that. But they made their goal.
If we insist on escapism every day of our lives, it's as if we're attempting to erase the event. That is unhealthy. If we insist on "getting on with our lives" at this very point, we become a prime target once again. Obviously, the majority of American people won't let that happen. Let's do as one reporter said and grow up. The American people have matured. We need to stay that way, and take back once and for all the freedom to enjoy these pleasures. In many posts, I notice a modicum of fear in America. That in itself is a stolen freedom... the freedom to enjoy a day of work in one's office without fear of death. The freedom to let one's spouse, brother, sister, parent, or child to work in such a situation without fear. We may need to pay for that freedom with our blood, as we have paid for dear freedom in the past. I will do that, if necessary. I'm preparing to do that. Many others feel that way too, as may you.
I can understand you point, because I am there with you, as I have stated in times past. I have been in the military, I have fought overseas in combat. I know the horrors of war, as well as the necessity of war. The only point I wanted to make was, even in combat, and any of you simpson fans out there who have fought in a war know, you need some...I can't find the proper words...some calming non-war factor in your life to help maintain a sort of balance. If you are totally caught up in the situation, even if you are in a battle and are fighting for your life minute by minute for days, if you only live for and focus on the war, you begin to quit fighting for a principal, ideal, or freedom, and you end up simply fighting to kill. Until you have actually been in a battle, you don't know the things that can go through your mind. And if it is simply to fight and kill for the simple reason of killing, you lose your perspective. And without something, i.e., a TV show, a ball team, something that represents, in your mind, Americana, once the fighting is over, you can have such a difficult time readjusting that you may have problems for months or years to come. Business as usual is more important than some seem to believe. We will survive this, and even though a war is emminent, and will disrupt lots of lives, there needs to be a level of normalcy here in America for the sake of America.
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Good points all around, there. I'm not sure how long I can sit and watch news. There has to be a little piece of my past life available for comfort, but I gotta be willing to give just about everything to the country right now. I'm willing to be a casualty, but only if I can make a real difference. I don't want to be wasted lying in a pile of broken cement. That's why our dead in New York and Washington have to receive their justice. Their deaths must have meaning somehow.
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Very nice. Well-thought out.
Shawn
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People pick their own ways to grieve. Doing so on a newsgroup devoted to Simpsons is the way these folks do it. There's more shame in your judgement.
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