i think it would be a terrible crime to keep this episode from the eyes of americans. i mean come on, homer chooses crab juice over mountain dew and he unzips his pants before he even enters the bathroom in the south tower. this is american comedy at its best and we need it to be shown. Scorcese didn't edit the towers out of the end of "gangs of new york" so why should anyone else be concerned??? oh and lisa is upset they didn't pay the extra 7 cents for a bus with a bathroom....ahhhh love that ep.
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:41:44 GMT, "whippythewit" wrote:
This ep was on a couple of months ago on the comedy network in Canada. It had a disclaimer believe it or not, something to the effect of 'this episode depicts the World Trade Center. Some viewers might be disturbed" or something.
I had no problem watching it. It's a great episode. Think of it as a tribute to the WTC.
The scene with the two guys in each tower yelling at each other is priceless.
The CBC has aired "New Kids On the Blechh" and they've probably aired "Homer Vs The City of New York", I just haven't seen it (I get my simspsons fix at least once a day, but not nessacarily from the CBC... though if at all possible, they're best... all episodes, uncensored)
Star India has definitely shown it since then. They are currently showing Season Nine episodes, but, as far as I can tell, in a totally random order. So it's not clear whether they are actually not going to show it at all or if they just haven't shown it yet.
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If my memory serves me correctly, on 28 Dec 2002 11:18:11 -0800, adam cook issued the following challenge to face my invincible Iron Chefs:
You know, when there's sufficnt time for the a.t.s Rant Form 1.7, this should make it.
Obvious Response: Yes, it has been shown. It's been shown many times locally in syndication. It was even shown around the anniversary (give or take a week).
For obvious reasons, I'm on record as strongly being against the airing of this episode. I understand that's a minority opinion in here. It'll never be shown here in NYC, but it'll worm it's way into other syndication markets, perhaps with some sort of disclaimer attached. If it must be played, I'd like a warning so I can change the channel.
"I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me" - Abraham Simpson
I was in the WTC on 9/11. I thought most people knew this. Sorry.
"I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me" - Abraham Simpson
Then you're throwing away a chance to show that it is the media, not the people subjected to this atrocity, who are the ones stupid enough to be insulted by merely seeing the world trade center on tv.
No reasonable people object to merely seeing the WTC on TV. This particular episode is objectionable only because it contains a large amount of frivolity and mirth which directly involves the twin towers. There are certain things which cannot ever be tastefully used in a comedic fashion. After 9/11, this episode became that.
"I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now, what I'm with isn't it, and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me" - Abraham Simpson
Such as . . . ? Homer running up and down it? The lifts being out? If it was any other building in the world, no-one would say a word, and it could have been - none of the jokes were in any way related to the attacks on the eleventh of september (how could they have been?). I was really disgusted by the amount of random censorship after the attacks on the world trade center. It all seemed so false, like companies were doing it to show how sympathetic they were, when all they were really worried about was the 10% of doltheads who would try and make a fuss over the opening credits to Friends. After the 11th of September, Michael Moore's novel Stupid White Men was almost not published - which would have been a shame as every member of the free world should read it (the sometimes lowbrow humour and cheap pyschology aside) and take heed.
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 19:25:34 +0000 (UTC), "James Morrissey" wrote:
It does change the character of the episode. Think about Smithers intro for Homer in "Rosebud".
I have some sad news to report: thousands of people died in the destruction of the World Trade Center. [Audience gasps] And now it's time for the comedy stylings of Homer Simpson!
EXACTLY what happened at the concert for NYC, and everyone loved it (one of the one things i thought was really despicably distasteful, and should not have been . . . anything).
Ok i have a question for you. Thousands of people also died at Hitler's hands, do you think it's wrong that tv and movies mention him and sometimes even parody him? or is it that time has passed and one day it will be ok to show the NYC episode of the Simsons? Or is it that the WTC is close to you and thats all that matters? I'm honestly curious.
You have a point. Parody is making fun of something. It is generally insulting to the focus of the parody, albeit often, as in the Simpsons, only mildly insulting and can be taken in good humor by the target.
Most people don't care if you insult Hitler because most people feel he deserves to be insulted. Most people don't care if you insult the famous because that's what parody is. However, parody tends to cross the line when it kicks someone who is down through no fault of their own. For example, when Linda McCartney died, it would have been in poor taste to mock Paul by showing a parody of him grieving for her. However, they did repeat the show in which Lisa becomes a vegetarian, even though it featured Paul and Linda McCartney being subtly made fun of, because while it did slightly poke fun at them, it did so in a respectful manner. It does not cheapen the memory of Linda to show that episode.
In the same vein, I feel that the references to the WTC in the Simpsons were made without undue disrespect. Because of this, I do not feel that showing the episode is in bad taste. However, if I had been in the WTC when it was attacked as Chris� was, I might have a different opinion.
His opinion doesn't matter. Chris� is under no obligation to watch the episode and has no right to prevent others from viewing it simply because he can't, or won't, accept what happened and move on. He's as bad as the idiots who were whining because the second Lord of the Rings movie was named for the second volume of the story.
are there actually people complaining about that? i thought there might be some complaints about the similarities when my husband asked me if i wanted to go see "Lord of the rings, the twin towers"
Sure, thats what happens when people have too much time on their hands. I know nothing about The Lord Of The Rings but someone already pointed out what i assumed.... That was the name of the second book long before 9/11. Sheesh and i actually got into an argument not too long ago and i claimed that the world wasn't really getting too P.C. I stand corrected.
Jeebus H Christ, do you actually KNOW any of these people? The media loves to stretch, distort and maul the truth beyond recognition in order to get a more "newsworthy" story. I doubt there are any people except a few mental cases that really think this. And some people will say anything to get on TV. I suppose you think McDonald's got sued for millions because someone spilled their coffee in her lap, too? This story was based on something that did happen, but it was not the way the media ran it at all. McDonald's was willfully negligent. Disagree? Let me know and I'll post the real story.
I've had the displeasure of communicating with one, visited their website, and watched as their online petition was removed because it attracted nothing but comments about its authors' stupidity. The same group is also claiming responsibility for 20th Century Fox's decision to delay that film about a sniper and a guy in a phone booth (I'm far too disinterested in it to care about its name).
They *are* mental cases. That's why I compared Chris� to them.
I know all about that. McDonald's lost that case, in spite of the customer's negligence, because the restaurant's coffee was kept at a higher temperature than federal regulations allowed.
Well, they're not complaining because the second movie is named after the second book, but I have heard (on the radio) that some people have objected to naming the second film "The Twin Towers" because they somehow feel it makes an inappropriate reference to the events of Sept 11, 2001.
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Of course, there are also a great deal of people out there who believe laughter is the best medicine, the sort who crack jokes at a fueneral (I'm one of those people).
While Chris has gone through a traumatic experience, and I can respect that, and while the World Trade Centre disaster was a tradgedy, I fail to see how pretending that the towers never existed is going to help.
Does anyone know the episode number for this one ? It's strange, I thought I saw about 95% of them but, it's another one that it sounds like I have not seen......
I watch the Simpson's at least 3 times a day and sometimes 5 (don't ask how I do it)
Because the fact that I am a huge fan of the Simpson's. I have been watching them on and off from day one. I really started about 2 years ago watching them 2-5 times a day (accept on weekends). I am watching them off broadcast TV.
Still wondering what the episode number of this one. I really would like to see it and would be willing to spend a few hours trying to find it on the net.
I get an hour and half of the simpsons broadcast every day, three different episodes... I prefer the CBC broadcast though, over the FOX broadcast, as the CBC doesn't censor... I worked for them as intern for a while...
"Chris. Go down to the library and get some music for Sunday's show." "What sort?" "Anything." "Yeah, but what guidelines?" "What part of anything don't you understand?"
I'm not sure the number, but it was the ninth season premiere. And I know its in the 4F-- production code line, since it was a holdover.
Anyways, they've returned the episode here, and I've heard it showed up in a lot of other places before, including even a week after the event took place (and the showing was in New York State, no less). So its not gone forever, the different stations are all just evaluating when its a good time to return it, if they haven't already.
And if nothing else, it'll be on the season 9 dvd when (and if) it comes out.