Question to all the Star Trek scholars

Jan 2, 2004, 9:50 PM ET17 posts by 12 posters
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ZaPP Brannigan

Regarding the episode where the Comic Book Guy wonders if there is a Klingon word for lonliness, and then consults a book and squeals it out: 1. Is there really a word for lonliness?

  • Is the word he screamed out the right one? (I can't remember what he yelled, but it was something like 'car pack!')

Just Wondering.

Scott MunroZaPP Brannigan

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 02:50:23 GMT, ZaPP Brannigan wrote:

Well, I'm not a nerd myself (n'ghey), but according to <http://www.snpp.com/episodes/CABF08>:

Jeff Cross explains: Klingon is an actual language, initially formulated by linguistics expert Marc Okrand for STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK. To date, there are three books (THE KLINGON DICTIONARY (original and expanded) and KLINGON FOR THE GALACTIC TRAVELER), two audio tapes (CONVERSATIONAL KLINGON and POWER KLINGON) and the Klingon Language Institute at www.kli.org, who took it upon themselves to translate HAMLET into Klingon after hearing a throwaway line from David Warner in STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. Unfortunately, there isn't a complete English-to- Klingon concordance: according to the KLINGON DICTIONARY, there's no real word for "loneliness." The closest equivalent would be the phrase "jImobqu'" (pronounced jhi-mobe-koo), which means "I'm so alone!" Comic Book Guy's attempt of "ghardak" is gibberish.

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Chris FewerScott Munro

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As opposed to the rest of the Klingon language.

NitesbaneChris Fewer

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Zing!

Yarn SpinnerNitesbane

It wasn't David Warner who had the line about Shakespeare, it was Christopher Plummer. I hopebody somebody got fired for that one.

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zvoidxChris Fewer

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I think he made it clear that Klingon is an "actual language".

Alan AndersonChris Fewer

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Well, yes, actually.

Gibberish cannot be used for describing the frustration caused by dealing with inept web programmers. Gibberish cannot be used to explain the workings of a standard turbojet engine. Gibberish cannot be used to teach a group of people an abstract board game. Gibberish cannot be used as a medium for discussing where to find the best deal for lunch.

As opposed to Klingon, which can be, and has been, used for all those things.

Brett BuckAlan Anderson

Alan Anderson wrote:

Let me guess - Klingon contains sufficient grammar to describe Dungeons and Dragons. And order 100 tacos for $100.

Brett

Alan AndersonBrett Buck

Grammar? Certainly. There might be a bit of an issue with missing vocabulary; I believe Gygax & co. invented some words when they were putting it together.

(You guessed wrong, though. Dungeons & Dragons is a roleplaying game. The board game I'm talking about is called "Homeworlds", and it's played with Icehouse pyramids.)

maHvaD wa'vatlh taco-mey vIje' vIneHbej.

Again, the grammar can handle it just fine. As for vocabulary, the word "taco" is actually one of the standard examples of how some words don't have translations, and just get borrowed.

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Chris ®Alan Anderson

I have yet to see a gibberish Bible (Old AND New Testement). I have a Klingon one.

I believe there is wider variety of literary works available in Klingon than in Esperanto, another man-made language.

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Chris FewerChris ®

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People who own them should be slapped. People who can read them will be executed at dawn.

Ok, you do realise all languages are man-made?

Chris ®Chris Fewer

It was a gift.

No, they're not. They evolve over time outside of man's control. A language like Klingon or Esperanto was created in it's entirety a one time.

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Chris FewerChris ®

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MIDIcian" (tm)ZaPP Brannigan

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Just curious, anybody seen "Come On In!" claiming that that was just nonsense????

Stan

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On this planet, Klingon is only spoken by virgins.

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