Don't you mean it was done for budgetary considerations? If they didn't live next door for this scene, then the animators would have had to draw more of the Simpsons walking, or draw a car taking them to the next house.
This is not true with periods or commas; a question mark, colon or exclamation point, yes, but not with non-value characters. I took a few minutes to check this against an old reference guide and the only case I've seen wherein a period or such wouldn't go inside the quote would be if it were followed by an academic footnote or whatever: It was true that many found Mr. Kiner to be quite a "jackass" (SIMPSON 47). Otherwise the quotations wrap around the punctuation.
b) I don't know that you ARE right. That poxy reference could have been made up for all I know. So I'm not *ignoring* anything. Whether or not you are right remains to be proven.
I generally use the standard Associated Press format, which I was trained in. You've wasted my precious time again, as I've had to check my AP Stylebook to find that indeed periods go inside quotations even with one word only, which I was fairly certain of anyway. I've honestly never seen anyone put a period outside a quotation mark and claim to be correct about it before.
I've never seen an explanation of why this is deemed correct in the first place. Since the period is relevant to the sentence, not to the thing in quotes, it's (at best) counterintuitive. But then, English is such a Rube Goldberg language, so why should logic apply? Do you remember the rule "i before e except after c?" This just seems wrong to me, in a couple of different ways.
Their and so many other words, I always wondered where the hell that saying came from. I also wonder why Americans remove the u from words like labour and colour
As someone said in this thread already, it may be rooted completely in the fact that a comma or period might fall off the old printing press letter lines (many 19th Century volumes have this all over the place). Personally I think the period and commas are nonvalue characters in that they won't change the meaning, context or connotation of a word, as opposed to a question mark or exclamation point, so putting a period or comma inside a single-word quote is fine. But it's also that it's mimicking the syntax for a direct quote, wherein the period would go inside.
For the record, I'm fairly certain that the "i before e" rule actually has more exceptions than it does applications. :-P
Also, I'd just like to say thanks for making me feel like in a freshman year college writing class again--the Rube Goldberg references and all!
I think the only time this is correct is when doing a citation. If you are quoting from an article/book then you write the quotes, without any period within, and then in parentheses put either the specific source, or the page of the book, followed by the period. At least that's what I was taught in school, and my English teacher kept telling us for every essay that we did.
Actually sir I just did some research on the Internet and have discovered that we are both correct. Putting the period inside the quotes is the general American stanadard, whereas the British tend to put the period outside. The British way in my opinion is more logical since there should not be punctuation if no complete indirect statement is made. Obviously I was trained in the British way, despite that I am an American.
BTW if research is a waste of time then maybe you should get a life.
I agree that it's logical, but if I might make a side comment, I think you mean "direct statement" - "indirect statement" would be like the following sentence: Matt said that Xino could jump in a lake. Of course, as indirect statement is not verbatim, Matt might not have said those exact words. (He actually said Xino _should_ jump in a lake.)
That's fine, but calling people "sir" ?! How old *are* you? BTW: you are the one looking like the pompous ass here, by sparking a whole OT thread on somebody's GRAMMAR on USENET. Loser.
Fine. I don't really care either way, because XPeeple isn't annoying me half as much as you are with your insatiable desire to be the world's greatest linguistics expert, and your constant desire to be right all the time.
No. I was talking to you. Granted, I was wrong, but this doesn't change the fact that you are the pompous ass.
Anyone of any age can wear knee high socks with sandals too. What's your point? Next you'll be calling people "My learned friend".
Wrong. Regardless of whether you were talking to me or not, you indicated that XPeeple was the ass of the thread. (only later me, in addition to XPeeple)
No, what's YOUR point? You're the one that indicated that there is a relation between the ages of the parties and one calling the other sir, not me.
Well I certainly won't be calling you "learned" anytime soon, my friend.
No. I did not say "XPeeple is an ass" nor did I say "Whoever it was that started this thread is an ass". I said (to you, Kiner) "You are the one who looks like the pompous ass..." I'm through discussing this.
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My point is, just because anybody CAN do something doesn't mean that everybody DOES do it. Most people under 50 don't call people "Sir" in normal, everyday, informal conversation. (Unless of course it's kids talking to a teacher, or somebody talking to their boss etc.) We aren't living in the 19th century. lol
"Sir Isidro Kiner" wrote in message news:[email]...
Yes, somebody please do......
Anyone......???
Anyone at all......????
(btw, I did get your Simpsons reference [Carl with his word a day calender..."Mr. Burns has just......entered"], I was simply toying with you. You are too easy to bait, Isidro.)
Oh get a life or get fucked, Kiner. Like I said before - NOBODY GIVES A FLYING DUCK. Maybe the fact that you anally pick apart people's posts, correcting their spelling at every turn, is why you are so unpopular here. That, and the fact that you do the same thing to various episodes of The Simpsons.
I was hoping to let this thread die but this last post had me ROFLMAO.
First things first:
a) Usenet is capitalized. b) It's beginning, not begining. c) "Conceited" and "A" should not be capitalized.
I didn't realize that we were keeping track of who lost the arguments. I disagree with your opinion that I lost this argument. In my opinion, YOU lost the argument because you were the first to resort to asking me to get fucked. In all the arguments that terminated with the loser name calling, telling the other to fuck off or get a life, or by other insults or personal attacks, I say that the score is approximately: Xino 10, Mark 0.
You never let anything die, Isidro. You are far to anal. In fact, I'll bet if we shoved a lump of coal up your arse, in 2 weeks we would have a diamond.
I knew you wouldn't be able to resist that. This is my whole point. You don't even realise that I am doing it on purpsoe od oyu? You are trying to discredit me by pulling apart my spelling and grammar, when at the end of the day, NOBODY CARES AT ALL!! I doubt YOU even care. Why are you such an anal prig? Are you trying to make yourself look good by correcting my spelling mistakes? Do you think that because you point out that I spell something wrong, that people will think I am an idiot and think that you are really cool and wonderful? You are only making yourself look like a snob
NEWFLASH: Everybody thinks we are both insane!
We aren't.
You would. I'd think you were weird if you didn't.
to asking me to get fucked.
I didn't ask. I told.
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Once again you miss the point. The argument was already over when you started nitpicking my spelling. There was nothing else for you to say, so you try to use my spelling mistakes to discredit me. Game over, Kiner. Me telling you to "get a life or get fucked" was after full time. Sorry buddy.
Then unless you were "trained" in the United Kingdom and are living there now, you are wrong, and have been wrong. It doesn't matter what you deem logical or not, it's an American standard and you're American. Ergo...
I do have a life outside this newsgroup, which is why I deemed actually hitting the books to correct your sorry ass the waste of time that it was.
This actually seems to come from an old printing (type) convention more than anything stylistic, although it does look purty. I forget where I read it (I'm thinking straightdope.com?), but apparently the period and comma, being merely dots, were so weak that to put them outside the quotation marks would cause the type to break or something.
Being a computer guy as well also makes me lean toward that usage - you know, with string literals and so forth - but I'm not about to start a revolution just to get the punctuation where it logically belongs.
Duff Man, you are out of character. All that thrusting of your hips and all. You are supposed to say: "DUFF MAN thinks that SPRINGFIELD should not have hired such a STUPID POLICE CHIEF to begin with." Xpace Mvxevm