Notes for FABF03 (Marge vs Singles, Seniors,...CCAT,AG)

Jan 5, 2004, 3:27 AM ET20 posts by 15 posters
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Matt Garvey

I'm not sure what to think about this episode. I think most of us went in with some plot expectations that were never realized, and that definitely threw me; the supposed "Marge on the radio" plot was probably speculative based on the title, until more info came in, but whatever happened to Maggie in daycare with Simon Cowell? (You can call it a rehash of 8F18 and a non-timeless grab at a star, but I'd have liked to see how it was executed - perhaps this is what the elusive FABF06 is about, though it seems a little odd to have two baby-related episodes so close together.) Anyway, the first act was definitely the best; I enjoyed the Raffi spoof very much, and though it got a little unrealistic near the end (apparently invincible babies at the concert), most of it was full of moments that were funny without being particularly "set-up-and-joke"y. The rest moved along well enough, and was certainly not _bad_, but something doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it's that I watched it at 2 am (still home for the holidays), so I'll reserve more judgment for the next time I see it, but I think maybe the more gag-driven humor plus the outlandish premise makes it a little hard to swallow or enjoy fully. I thought about some other "cause" shows; off the top of my head I came up with "Sweets and Sour Marge (DABF03)," which was decent, but not great; compare these two (D/FABF03) with "Two Cars in Every Garage... (7F01)" and "Much Apu about Nothing (3F20)" and perhaps you'll agree that the first two bases are a little unbelievable (A sugar ban? Come on...), plus those episodes' execution lack some suspense (you know Burns probably won't become governor, and that Apu will get to stay, but they kept you guessing just a little more). I'll see how I like it the next time around, but don't get me wrong, it's not apcray.

DYN: ...Fox has added another character to its pre-Simpsons "next" screen (Maggie's "Sex Bomb" dance from EABF10)? ...the camera's unsteadiness in Gator Baiter? ...Raffi and Roofi coexist in the Simpsonverse? (Look closely at Kent's first scene) ...Maggie and Gerald finally duke it out (see inset of news broadcast at start of act II)? ...in the anti-child montage in act II, Milhouse looks much older? ...Marge wears rather high heels in her garage confrontation with Lindsay? ...Mel has apparently gotten rid of Barbara (5F06)? ...yet another character now has a last name (Luigi Risotto)? ...in a more "adult"-themed episode, Marge sees fit to say "damn"? (Not exactly a problem, but a little uncharacteristic...) ...Ruth Powers apparently held out on Marge's petition initially, even though she has a kid? ...there was no special song credit for Roofi's "1, 2" song? (The melody seemed original; this seems to be the only criterion for that, so am I missing something?)

Previous episode references: DABF03: Cletus's last name (Spuckler) first mentioned on the _show_ in this episode, and Del Roy seems to be book-only now 9F14: "Herman's Head" is still a classic in Springfield 8F15, 3F01, CABF16, others: Homer forgets that they have three kids 7F19: A vote is won when one side never actually votes

Other references: Raffi - this bearded children's singer is spoofed as Roofi (I think I went to a Raffi concert when I was a kid, actually; at the very least I had some tapes) I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings - kind of an odd "reference," but Bart/Lisa's surprise that Marge knew Pig Latin reminded me of a similar scene from this Maya Angelou book That Internet Dancing Baby - you know the one I mean, and there's much more on it in the CABF02 capsule anyway - the two naked babies near the start of the concert chaos do his moves

Meta-reference corner -Mrs. Krabappel mentions that everyone got tired of making Bart write on the chalkboard years ago...kind of obvious, but could also be a reference to recent seasons' shorter openings (the first blackboardless one was 7F19, I think, but after season 12, there have only been a few blackboarded episodes; even season 6's short opens usually featured one before the driveway). -Herman's Head, Yeardley Smith...you know the drill. (If you don't, see 9F14.) -For now, looks like the "yesssss" guy has no name (thus Homer's mention of him is as longwinded as ours) - cf. the list of people in AABF08 (and yes, Bumblebee Man has at least 2 names...)

Goofs -Lindsay's car doesn't turn on any white lights when it backs out of the parking space.

Comments - well, a comment "Do this, don't do that" in the anti-child montage I assume was from the actual song used, but it reminded me of the lyric in the song "No!" by They Might Be Giants - it's from their 2002 children's album "No!" so I found it an interesting coincidence (not that the words are particularly unusual, but hey, a children's album is a children's album).

Theodore Jay MillerMatt Garvey

Matt Garvey wrote in message news:...

There's also "The War of the Worlds" by H.G.Wells: The speech at the end about the voters falling victim to "God's lowliest creatures - children" is a paraphrase of lines about the Martians falling victim to germs.

dumpster4Theodore Jay Miller

[email] (Theodore Jay Miller) wrote in message news:...

     Was Lisa deliberately trying to infect the voters?  Using germ warfare
to undermine the democratic process isn't something I'd normally expect from
Lisa.
     Maybe some of Bart's influence is starting to rub off on her.
Mark Allen Adams, Jr.dumpster4

Well, it's definitely not Mona's influence.

mark a. com . mark-adams @ usenet (remove spaces and reverse the segments to reply)
Michael Blackdumpster4

I wondered about that myself. I thought she was merely trying to distract the voters, being lured away by the charms of the small children. That they all provided colds to the voters seemes to just be fallout.

But then, looking back, I'm not sure if that was the way it played out.

Michael

DavidMichael Black

On 7 Jan 2004 16:45:50 GMT, [email] (Michael Black) wrote:

It seemed to me that this was Lisa's plan all along, which I thought was a clever twist on what was looking to be a cutesy ending.

zvoidxMatt Garvey

Matt Garvey wrote in message news:...

That one shot of Milhouse, (I think after Moe reversed the "R" on the "Toys-R-US" sign) - his expression of sadness is uncharacteristically exagerrated. The lines that were used in animating his face were in contrast to the rest of the artwork in the episode, perhaps the series.

I thought one of the funniest lines in the ep; (when they were all in the restaurant): Luigi (tired of printing children's menus): "Let a-Mickey a-Meatball find his own way out of the maze!"

BTW, this ep kind of reminded me of the (fairly recent) ep where the adults are against the children; "The Bloodening", the radio show with secrets, the musical.

Davidzvoidx

On 5 Jan 2004 07:31:32 -0800, [email] (zvoidx) wrote:

. It looked like a parody of some painting

Bill Le Mayzvoidx

"zvoidx" wrote...

Yeah, they definitely lingered on it too long and too closely to be a throwaway; there must be a movie closeup scene that inspired it.

Sir Realzvoidx

In article , zvoidx says...

I wondered if anyone else was going to mention this. I'd really like to acquire a screen-cap of that shot.

Sir Real "Timeo Hominem Unius Libri" http://www.sirrealcomix.ws/
Steve BrownSir Real

Sir Real wrote in message news:...

It was just another exaggeration on his extreme sensitivity. He is in fact the most sensitive character that I can think of. If he had just been crying like the other kids, that wouldn't have expressed how much this prying away of his childhood affected him. It was the only thing that could completly convey his emotions without words.

DavidSteve Brown

On 5 Jan 2004 18:55:47 -0800, [email] (Steve Brown) wrote:

But do you think he cried more or less when he learned that Tinky Winky could go to jail?

zvoidxDavid

[email] (David) wrote in message news:...

My point about Milhouse was in regards to the uncharacteristic artwork...

Announcer: "And now, our opening act...in their first live show since Tinky Winky was acquitted of manslaughter..." Tinky Winky: (raises arm) "Not guilty." Announcer: "The Teletubbies."

RocketerSir Real

Sir Real wrote in message news:...

see http://bart.justdohit.co.uk/graham/milhosad.jpg .

He does look quite freaky in that scene - it's the way his eyebrows are curved and the lines are put under his eyes, in my opinion.

My review:

Well, this episode got progressively better towards the third act where Jon Vitti seemed to get his act together. There were some nice moments that reminded me of the classic era, such as Homer's ad, Bart and Lisa's arguments, Maggie and Marge and Homer's conversations. However, this episode suffered problems- Homer hitting himself with the hammer, another Homer getting hurt gag that was painful to watch, child clubbing which was kinda sick, and the devil thing which was far too unrealistic for a regular episode. There were some more distasteful gags that I could definitely have done without, mainly in the first and second act, and the rushed ending could have been better. If these moments were replaced with better or funnier gags, this episode would have been great. Still, this is the best Marge episode we've had in a while. B

Nathan Mulac DeHoffMatt Garvey

Matt Garvey:

As do Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rainier Wolfcastle, and Lucius Sweet and Don King.

His bowling shirt identifies him as "Pedro" in "Team Homer." What's his other name?

The song played was "Signs," by, um, I can't remember the band's name exactly, but it was something dumb like "Six Man Electrical Band." I know the TMBG song, but I think the lyrics "do this, don't do that" are too common for there to be any connection between "No!" and either "Signs" or the Simpsons episode.

Nathan [email] http://members.aol.com/jinnicky/ "And the silver chauffeur says it's all in your head, when you're 24 karat
Brian W.Nathan Mulac DeHoff

"Nathan Mulac DeHoff" wrote in message news:[email]...

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It was The Six Man Electrical Band. It was later covered by Tesla.

Michael BlackBrian W.

Gee, people can't count?

It's the "Five Man Electrical Band". They've got a website, at http://www.fivemanelectricalband.ca

Michael

Brian W.Michael Black

"Michael Black" wrote in message news:btdabb$lsg$[email]...

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Five, right. Power of suggestion from the last poster.

Ryan W. MeadMatt Garvey

"The Helpful Bear" sounds like no other song I've heard as well.