(long) A review of "Large Marge (DABF18)"

S14E04 Large MargeliveNov 25, 2002, 3:36 AM ET8 hours later4 posts by 4 posters
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Benjamin Robinson

[The long of it]

Okay, I'm confused. Both "Natural Born Kissers (5F18)" and "Large Marge" were both episodes that drew upon sex for their subject matter. Both put Marge in a sexual situation we wouldn't expect to find her in. Both had some silly, over-the-top scenes. Heck, "Natural Born Kissers" dumped Homer and Marge, naked as jaybirds, in front of a football stadium full of people -- on camera giveaway day. Yet while "Natural Born Kissers" came across as a clever, carefully-crafted episode (and one of my favorites for that season), "Large Marge" felt heavy-handed. Why?

After some reflection, I think it's because "Natural Born Kissers" retained a sense of subtlety, despite its outrageous set-up. The climax of the episode, so to speak, is coyly approached. We see Homer and Marge start in a state of marital ennui, then accidentally discover the pleasures of public sex, then slowly raise the stakes until the whole thing goes spectacularly bad. "Large Marge" also starts out gradually. Marge sees (or thinks she sees) Homer flirting, and worries that she may be losing her husband's interest. But, with some help from Manjula, she goes rather quickly from this to getting liposuction at the clinic. Even more quickly, the clinic screws up and gives Marge an impressive pair of breast implants. Admittedly, there's not much the writers can do to reveal this more gradually; after all, the point of the surgery is to change you overnight. Still, it might have helped if (say) Marge tried and failed at a few other ways of getting the "Homey fires" burning before going under the knife.

Once Marge has the surgery, the show becomes as in-your-face as Marge's new "assets." There are some cute moments, like the Maggie's- eye view of Marge when she tries to pick up her baby. I also liked Marge's appearance at an oven mitt convention. She's the busty spokesmodel, and as she walks down the runway to a model oven she thinks to herself, "This sure beats slaving over a hot stove." Most of the remaining jokes are either broad slapstick, obvious social commentary (Hey, shapely women get a lot of attention!), or slightly disturbing. Was anyone really wanting Bart to refer to his mom's "guns?" A song some restaurant patrons and Homer sing in tribute to Marge's new boobs falls flat, as well.

Another thing "Natural Born Kissers" had was an entertaining subplot. It was almost a necessity, since Bart and Lisa could hardly participate in the main plot. The "B" plot in "Large Marge" isn't as good. Bart and Milhouse spot Krusty as a guest villain on the 60s TV version of "Batman." The "Batman" parody is on the screen for a long time, and it's interesting, but it's almost exactly like watching an actual episode of "Batman." I guess it shows how difficult it is to spoof something that's already pretty spoofy.

Anyway, the kids imitate some stunt they see on the show and, in a lame scene, offend some visiting Iwo Jima veterans. Bart implicates Krusty and, even though his "Batman" appearance is over three decades old by now, the town turns out to protest the clown. You've seen this plot before: Bart accidentally gets someone (and that someone is usually Krusty) into trouble, he feels remorse, then concocts a zany scheme to get that person back into everyone's good graces. The "Natural Born Kissers" subplot may have been left unresolved, but it was more creative, plus it had that great "Casablanca" parody, to boot.

So, for these reasons, "Large Marge" is a very different experience from "Natural Born Kissers," despite the relation is subject matter. Despite what some claim, the writers aren't having trouble coming up with good plot ideas. It's coming up with ideas to carry out the plots where they sometimes run into trouble.

[The short of it]

The subject matter is similar to "Natural Born Kissers," but "Large Marge's" approach to it is different -- and too heavy-handed for its own good. There are enough good random lines to keep this from being a bad episode, but too many of the jokes seemed broad, and the attempts at social commentary were too obvious. The subplot isn't as creative, although I like the "Batman" story and the climax had its moments. Despite what some claim, the writers aren't having trouble coming up with good plot ideas. It's coming up with ideas to carry out the plots where they sometimes run into trouble. (C+)

[DYNs]

...	the episode received ratings for "D" (dialogue/innuendo) and "V"
	(violence) but not "S" (sexual situations)?
...	Joan Rivers, or someone who looks a lot like her, is at the
	plastic surgery clinic?
...	one of Marge's magazine covers and a spokes model award are on
	the family room wall?
...	Maggie dances happily when Bart teases Lisa in the waiting room?

[References]

Habitat for Humanity (charitable organization) - Springfield's "Domiciles for the Destitute" has similar aim - ... and even similar spokesmen, since Jimmy Carter support both

The Three Stooges (comedy act) - Bush, Carter, and Clinton act like Moe, Larry, and Curly, respectively - Bush even has the same hairstyle as Moe

"Who Let the Dogs Out?" (song) - Radio Disney airs a sanitized version of this song - there's another spoof over the closing credits

"Batman" (TV series) - actually, I'm not sure what Bart and Milhouse watch counts as parody, since the actual series was as goofy as what we saw

"Sweet Valley High" (series of children's books) - Milhouse uses "Sweet Valley High!" as an exclamation of surprise

"Don't Tread on Me" flag - one of the protesters carries a flag with a similar snake, and the phrase, "Don't barf on me"

Chef Boyardee (brand of canned food) - Luigi says, "boyardee!" when he sees the new, improved Marge

O. J. Simpson trial
-	oven mitt expo slogan, "If the mitt don't fit, we will remit,"
	echoes Johnny Cochran's "If the glove doesn't fit, you must
	acquit"

Greek masks of comedy and tragedy - oven mitt expo features oven mitts with the same expressions

the McCarthy Communism hearings - Krusty claims to have gotten where he is by "naming names" (presumably at these hearings) in the 50s

Jews for Jesus (religious movement) - Flanders mans a booth called, "Shoes for Jesus"

Botox (cosmetic treatment) - the "smile injection" Marge receives is a mild toxin, like this real-life wrinkle treatment

[Previous Episode References]

[5F06] Cookie Kwan, the West Side's #1 realtor, appears [BABF12] Plastic surgeon appears [1F15] Stampy appears [7F14] The people who make Assassins sneakers have a booth at the expo

[FFF]

Historical headlines:

    [flag]         Chicago Daily Tribune          HOME
    --------------------------------------------------
         D E W E Y   D E F E A T S   T R U M A N
    G.O.P.  Sweep Indicated in State; Boyle Leads City

Building site sign:

    DOMICILES
     FOR THE
    DESTITUTE

Homer's attempt at graffiti:

    EL
    HOMO

Can that Batman shows the Chief:

       BAT
     CAROUSEL
     REVERSAL
      SPRAY
    [bat logo]

Plastic surgery clinic:

       STOMACH STAPLES
            CENTER
    PLASTIC SURGERY CLINIC

Protest signs at Krusty's:

    PARENTS
    UNITED AGAINST     [puking snake]
    KRUSTY'S
    EVIL              DON'T BARF ON ME
    ^
    |
    +- first letter is in red
     CANCEL
    BEAVIS &    <- crossed out
    BUTTHEAD
    JACKASS     <- crossed out
     KRUSTY

First convention marquee:

          OVEN MITT
          CONVENTION
    IF THE MITT DON'T FIT,
        WE WILL REMIT

Marge's award:

     PRESENTER
    OF THE MONTH
     [gold oven]
     [mitt     ]

Friar's club:

    SPRINGFIELD
    FRIAR'S CLUB

Tanker truck:

    CHOPPED
     LIVER

Shoe expo marquee:

    SHOE
    EXPO

At the expo:

              FAT TONY'S
             CEMENT SHOES
    THE LAST SHOES YOU'LL EVER NEED
    SHOES      DREADERICK TATUM    STAMPY SAYS:
    FOR            FOOTWEAR        DON'T FORGET
    JESUS                           SHOELACES

Marge's booth:

GLOBAL SHOEHORN

News story:

    TV CLOWN
    SAVES DAY
    In an unparalleled act of heroism      [Krusty with ]
    TV's Krusty the Klown saved two        [sodden Bart ]
    children and an area simpleton         [and Milhouse]
    from certain death at the hands of
    an elephant's mouth, in the
    process restoring his good name
    and cartoon prospects.
      In what might have been a blight
    on an otherwise mauling-free shoe
    expo, Stampy the Elephant
    rampaged through the convention
    center, crushing several humor
    -ously named vendor booths.

When the elephant began to eat

[cut off at this point]

Main headline:

    Springfield Shopper
    -------------------
    DAILY NEWS      50�
    -------------------
        CRAZED MOM
       GOES TOPLESS
    PHOTOS PAGES 3 - 28

Waiting room sign:

    SURGERY
    RECOVERY
      ROOM

[Personal Comments & Observations]

Skinner refers to Milhouse as the "comic foil," which is basically his role on "The Simpsons."

hammer.

After losing the 1980 presidential election in a landslide to Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter found himself to be almost a social outcast. No longer on the "A" list for parties and functions, Carter was able to devote himself full time to philanthropic pursuits. One of these was Habitat for Humanity, a program where volunteers help the poor build houses for themselves. TV newscasters were quick to show footage of an ex-President swinging a carpenter's hammer. The public was impressed that Carter not only talked the talk, but walked the walk when it came to charity work. Carter was not only Habitat's most famous spokesman, but it was the first step in rehabilitating his image.

"Mensch" is literally the Yiddish word for "man." It's often used figuratively to mean a *good* man, the kind who would give you the shirt off his back. Batman volunteers to keep Gotham City safe from master criminals, and thus would qualify as a "mensch."

"Goy" is the Yiddish word for a Gentile (especially a Christian as opposed to a Muslim or Buddhist).

Someone at the Krusty protest not only opposes violent TV, but supports recycling, as well. He re-used a sign from protests of "Beavis & Butthead" and "Jackass."

"Beavis & Butthead" was a cartoon airing on MTV that followed the misadventures of two teen-age morons. One of them was a borderline pyromaniac who liked to shout, "Fire! Fire!" Supposedly, this encouraged a young child to play with matches and burn down his family's trailer. Thankfully, no one was seriously hurt, but when the kid said he got the idea from "B&B" people were quick to condemn the show. Fortunately for MTV, even more people were quick to become fans of the show. It carried on for a couple more years (which is a long time by MTV standards) and spawned a popular movie.

"Jackass" is (or was, they might have retired it) an MTV live-action show where the hosts do outrageous and/or demeaning stunts like getting in a porta-potty -- which is then flipped over. The stunts tend to be both dangerous and easily imitated by teenagers with too much time on their hands. After a few people inevitably got injured, the protestors called for the cancellation of this series, as well. "Jackass" not only survived this, but also spawned a movie.

Hmmm ... I see a pattern. Perhaps we'll be able to go to a Krusty movie in a couple of years.

So, how large was Marge? Bart tells Lisa that Marge doesn't need a 48-inch chest to be beautiful, which suggests that this was Marge's bustline measurement. From the looks of things, I'd say she's at least a D cup. For a point of reference, former a.t.s. regular Ellen Cohen mentioned that the type of bra you can wear with a strapless dress is uncomfortable for anyone larger than a B cup. So, it looks like classic Marge gained two cup sizes.

*	I was surprised to see that the actual Baha Men did the parodies
	of their songs.  I was shocked to see Jan Hooks has returned as
	Manjula; she sounded much deeper and scratchier than Manjula has
	in the past.
*	Fun with promos:  In one of the promos, Bart runs into the room
	after Lisa allegedly pushed him in the hamper and finds that he
	can't keep his eyes off Marge's chest.  Good thing Fox decided
	to use this in their ad, because it wound up on the cutting room
	floor.
  • Topless Car Watch: The car Cookie and Lindsay arrive in resembles a Ford Mustang convertible.
Benjamin Robinson [email] This message may or may not contain sarcastic content; your burden to decide Greetings from Florida -- the pig-friendly state!
Michael BlackBenjamin Robinson

Jimmy Carter's already made an appearance. The one where Homer takes up challenging people to duels, and they leave town to hide from the southerner, they see Jimmy Carter making a house, and (I think) Lisa asks "Mr. Carter will you build us a house". I thought that was Habitat for Humanity, but now I'm not so sure if it was stated or I implied it. But no mention in this episode of their previous sighting of Jimmy Carter.

Likewise, George Bush has been on the show, as the neighbor across the street (and maybe elsewhere, certainly they met Barbara Bush when visiting the White House). But no mention of that, or any reference to Homer and Barts "differences" with George Bush.

Michael

JamieMichael Black

he also opened for them at the Iowa State Fair in Behind The Laughter (not a canonised episode, but whatever) with his comedy breakdancing, and I think he got kicked out of Burns' birthday party in Rosebud for being a one-termer (along with George Bush)

VoVatBenjamin Robinson

"Benjamin Robinson" wrote in message news:[email]...

I believe the Baha Men actually DID record a version of this song, called "Who Let Snow White Out?", for Radio Disney.

Nathan