Grammatical guide to "The Simpsons" and friends

Jan 30, 2003, 4:19 PM ET17 posts by 13 posters
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JD44C8/USA

Occasionally, I'll see someone incorrectly use the possessive and/or the plural of a name. So, being an English major, I thought I would do the community a favor and present this guide to writing names correctly. (I know, I know -- but if you're not interested, don't worry about it. If you want to be taken seriously, though [both here on Usenet and in school and the real world], I'd recommend checking this out.)

The Simpson family
-- All of the family: the Simpsons
-- Something owned by one member: Simpson's (e.g., Homer Simpson's tie,
      Lisa Simpson's saxomophone)
-- Something belonging to the entire family: the Simpsons' (e.g., the
      Simpsons' house, the Simpsons' upcoming trial)

The Flanders family, which can be tough because it ends with -s -- All of the family: the Flanderses* (e.g., those are the Flanderses) -- Something owned by one member: Flanders's (e.g. Ned Flanders's car)# -- Something belonging to the entire family: the Flanderses' (e.g., that is the Flanderses' house+)

  • The show has on occasion mentioned the entire family as "the Flanders," but this is absolutely incorrect. The only correct plural is "Flanderses."

# If you desire, you can also write this as "Ned Flanders' car." In general, though, your readers might be better off with "Flanders's."

+ Also, the show had used this construction: "That's the Flanders' house." This too is wrong. The only correct way to say this is: "That's the Flanderses' house" (pronounce the name as if the apostrophe wasn't there).

JD44C8/USA, glad to be of help
abe michaelsonJD44C8/USA

wow... finally someone even more anal about apostrophes than me...

the thing is, homer is always using different ways of saying that-which-belongs-to-the-flanders-family, so it's one of the shows running jokes. plus, and i don't know why, "i'll just uses the flanderses'" sounds funny. the other option - "i'll use the flanders'", is also perfectly cromulent.

-AM

"JD44C8/USA" wrote in message news:[email]...

"Flanderses."

there).

weapon.cdnabe michaelson

"abe michaelson" wrote in message news:w%g_9.51$[email]...

Not quite!

"Flanders's" should be "Flanders'." You don't put the extra "s" at the end without looking like an idiot.

Scott Munroweapon.cdn

On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 04:12:10 GMT, "weapon.cdn" wrote:

Edy Syquerweapon.cdn

"weapon.cdn" wrote in message news:...

What you mean is "Finally someone even more anal about apostrophes than I"

What your original form of the sentence implies is that this person was anal about the subject of you, but is now more anal about the subject of apostrophes.

The corrected form suggests that you are indeed anal about apostrophes, and somebody is now more anal about them than you are.

JimEdy Syquer

[email] (Edy Syquer) wrote in news:[email]:

Shouldn't that be "suggest's" and "apostrophe's"? :-)

Jim

JD44C8/USAJim

["Jim"; Fri, 07 Feb 2003 14:30:21 GMT]

Don't encourage them!

JD44C8/USA
Matt GarveyJD44C8/USA

What about using the name of the show as the subject of a sentence? (I would say "'The Simpsons' IS a great show" myself)

JD44C8/USA wrote:

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JD44C8/USAMatt Garvey

["Matt Garvey"; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:23:06 GMT]

That's right: when talking about the series, which is obviously ONE object, you would use a singular verb -- e.g., "The Simpsons" is coming on, or, "The Simpsons" was funnier before. But if you're talking about the actual FAMILY MEMBERS, you use the plural verb -- e.g., Boy, the Simpsons are a funny family.

The tricky part (he said, as if anybody cared) involves use of the possessive form of the title of the show. In the real world, the titles of television series are italicized, and italics are signified in plain-text by the following method: _The Simpsons_. That's the ideal and correct way.

But most people -- at times, me included -- use quotation marks instead of fake-underscoring. (It seems less pretentious, _I_ think.) So if you write "The Simpsons," how do you indicate something BELONGING to the show? You could type either of the following: (1) "The Simpsons's" humor is unique, or (2) "The Simpsons"'s humor is unique. Both are awkward, but the second seems less likeable.

Thus, the preferred method of indicating something that belongs to the show is: _The Simpsons_'s humor. But you can alternately type: "The Simpsons's" humor.

JD44C8/USA, who now sees why he's an English major
Matt GarveyJD44C8/USA

Maybe this is why some stricter grammarians say the "'s" should only be used with people; I guess if you want to make sure no one criticizes you, you should say "the humor of 'The Simpsons'"...

"Matt Garvey" wrote in message news:[email]...

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unique, or

seems

show

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used

should

I'd like to see a sendup of Bush's pronounciation of "nuclear".

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ClairJD44C8/USA

..Or The Simpsons' humour.

Works for me.

ATB, Clair ~remove SPAMBUSTER from email address to reply~
Tayo BorofficeJD44C8/USA

I dunno, I generally just tag an ' at the end of anything that ends with an s and sounds too complicated with another "es" attached.

So I'd be more inclined to say "Ned Flanders' house" or "The Flanders' car." But what do I know?

"JD44C8/USA" wrote in message news:[email]...

"Flanderses."

there).

Rose___Tayo Boroffice

"Tayo Boroffice" wrote in message news:...

I know this thread is about apostrophes after names, but the biggest problem I see everywhere is people using them in a possessive sense with "its":

Right: "It's the best Simpsons episode ever!" Wrong: "The Simpsons has it's great moments, doesn't it?"

*I wish I had a dollar* for every time I have seen that wrong use somewhere! Even on billboards.

Rose

Long ago English major

Jason SaslowRose___
It's?
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JD44C8/USAJason Saslow

["Jason Saslow"; Thu, 06 Feb 2003 12:04:55 GMT]

Yes, "it's."
JD44C8/USA
Chesty LeRueJD44C8/USA

you're so learn-ed

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