"This is the only show of any sort that I watch on television" - Tom Wolfe

Dec 6, 2005, 10:40 AM ET20 posts by 9 posters
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R Flowers

Tom Wolfe Does "The Simpsons"

Brief mention here: http://www.claremont.org/localliberty/archives/004295.html

More about it here: http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/cl-et-simpsons30nov30,1,115281.story?coll=chi-entertainmentfront-hed

I know I've seen him on the show before, but was that a non-speaking appearance (that is, not really him?)

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Don BoringR Flowers

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:40:03 GMT, in alt.tv.simpsons you wrote:

I didn't know those people at the Claremont Institute had a sense of humour. I am put off that Mr. Burns types consider "The Simpsons" funny. The buzzards.

DB

R FlowersDon Boring

"Don Boring" wrote in message news:[email]...

Let's see... don't know much about the Claremont Institute... Well, here's something from their 'about' page:

The Claremont Institute finds the answers to America's problems in the principles on which our nation was founded. These principles are expressed most eloquently in the Declaration of Independence, which proclaims that "all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...."

Those filthy bastards! Hanging's too good for 'em...

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jsonitsacR Flowers

and of course everything that they put out on their website about themselves is totally objective and contains no bias what-so-ever.

R Flowersjsonitsac

"jsonitsac" wrote in message news:[email]...

Well, sure, on the 'about' page. What possible reason could they have to misrepresent themselves?

Unless, of course, this group is so evil and nefarious that they realize they must disguise their true efforts. I guess that's possible.

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That GuyR Flowers

"R Flowers" wrote in message news:6dnlf.624830$xm3.477432@attbi_s21...

I don't know that the Claremont Institute does this, but a lot of groups present a watered-down version of their views to the public because they feel that the public is too ignorant/misinformed/stupid to grasp the completeness of their beliefs and will react negatively because if exposed to them. The more extremist the group, the more likely they are to do that.

Just reading a few paragraphs of some articles on the Claremont Institute's web site shows me that this is an extremist wacko site that has no regard for facts, instead spouting only propaganda and rhetoric bolstered by 'righteous indignation' about imagined offenses. Groups who blame all the country's problems on, and demonize, another group (such as blacks, immigrants, leftists, rightists or whatever) are comprised of brainwashed individuals who are mind-locked into a particular view, distorting all reality into what they perceive as supporting their view.

There's never any sense to arguing with them.

R FlowersThat Guy

"That Guy" wrote in message news:[email]...

Okay, I looked over a few articles also, and I have no idea how you could honestly come to those conclusions. I take it that you disagree with their philosophy, and therefore they're extremist wackos. That's all right. I think the same thing about Garrison Keillor. Their articles seem a little inaccessible to me, but I see nothing like a Rob Wade or mastic post in there.

I agree; yet, here I am, doing it anyway. :)

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Thomas WallanderR Flowers

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:27:49 GMT, "R Flowers" wrote:

...to marry their cousins.

R FlowersThomas Wallander

"Thomas Wallander" wrote in message news:[email]...

You can't embiggen your soul by marrying your cousin, no matter how attractive they may be.

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Al WesolowskyR Flowers

R Flowers wrote:

It's a perfectly cromulent act, you know.

Al B. Wesolowsky o NC: "This is MY kinda road!" Boston University o KE: "Wow, you really are Neal Cassady!" --Kid Eternity
Sparky SpartacusR Flowers

R Flowers wrote:

No argument here.

The Claremont Institute's entire Mission Statement is:

http://www.claremont.org/about/

The mission of the Claremont Institute is to restore the principles of the American Founding to their rightful, preeminent authority in our national life.

The Claremont Institute finds the answers to America's problems in the principles on which our nation was founded. These principles are expressed most eloquently in the Declaration of Independence, which proclaims that "all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...."

To recover the Founding principles in our political life means recovering a limited and accountable government that respects private property, promotes stable family life and maintains a strong defense.

The Institute's work is only beginning. Today, our state and federal governments spend vast and increasing sums of public money for less and less good. The public sector continues to grow at the expense of the private. Regulations intrude into every corner of our lives. Schools no longer perform. Police and courts no longer protect. Good businesses are being driven to extinction by excessive and discriminatory controls, and as a result good jobs continue to disappear. Dependence grows and opportunity wanes with each passing year.

The Claremont Institute believes that informed citizens can and will make the right choices for America's future. Through its books, policy briefings, conferences and seminars, and now through the new electronic media of the World Wide Web, the Institute engages Americans in an informed discussion of the principles and policies necessary to rebuild our civic institutions.

Founded in 1979, the Claremont Institute's work is national in scope, but gives special emphasis to the problems of our country's largest state, where the Institute is based. Institute studies like the the pioneering 1988 book, The Imperial Congress (co-published with the Heritage Foundation), innovative policy proposals such as our 1995 "Contract with California," our ongoing work on the cultural attacks on the American family, and our decade-long involvement in the critical debates over environmental regulations and property rights law--all have earned the Institute a reputation for sound scholarship and diligence in the service of constitutional government.

America's Founders endowed our Republic with sound principles and a framework for governing that is unmatched in the history of mankind. The prosperity and freedom of America can only be made secure if they are guided by a return to these basic principles as our country enters the 21st Century.

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IOW, another rightwing think tank (cf. 4th paragraph).

R FlowersSparky Spartacus

"Sparky Spartacus" wrote in message news:iBamf.4073$[email]... <from the website>

Well, yes they are right wing. Does that mean they can't watch "The Simpsons"?

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R FlowersSparky Spartacus

"Sparky Spartacus" wrote in message news:d5vmf.5757$[email]...

Your answer is ambiguous. Is it "of course they CAN watch 'The Simpsons'," or "of course they CAN'T watch 'The Simpsons'?"

:)
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Sparky SpartacusR Flowers

R Flowers wrote:

No, it's not. It's a direct response to your question as phrased.

R FlowersSparky Spartacus

"Sparky Spartacus" wrote in message news:Aubnf.6922$[email]...

Okay, anyone who has some time they want to waste, who thinks Spartacus' reply (Of course not!) is ambiguous?

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Aaron HirshbergSparky Spartacus

I suppose that means they don't want women to vote, and they want us to be able to own slaves. And once a month the Police Chief will be given a fine, fat pig.

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