This episode confirmed what I'd long suspected about Lisa. She is a snob. She thinks she's better than everyone else around her, even her own family. She seems to think her way is the only way. (ie, "Lisa the Vegetarian.).
This episode, (Bart vs. Lisa vs. the Third Grade), leaves the viewer wondering if Lisa is really "gifted" or is she just a classic overachiever?
Robin:) NRobin1027
"NRobin1027" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Well, she _is_ better than them.
If you thought meat was murder (I don't), how could you condone it among others? She's not a moral relativist.
I find people's reactions to Lisa very interesting. :)
"Mark Wilden" wrote in message news:[email]...
I would say she is smarter, but she has a tendency towards arrogance.
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That was an episode that I thought was done very well and had loads of humor, even if I think vegetarians are crazy. But some episodes where Lisa reaches some moral or spiritual or whatever revelation are just plain bad. I particularly disliked that Buddhism episode last year (I think). I felt like I was watching Diversity Training 101 or something. Oy.
It's interesting to see her character develop, even if it is almost exclusively towards the liberal side of the equation, lol. It's also nice to see her wrong on occasion. My favorite episode of hers was the substitute teacher episode.
-Zac Bond
"Zac Bond" wrote in message news:ard3e6$i5f$[email]...
Lisa is not only smarter--she's also harder working, more creative, and more concerned about others than the rest.
I don't see the arrogance. What I do see is some touching naivete at times. :)
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You don't see the arrogance? She often refers to those around her as though they are inferior. They may in fact be inferior in some ways, but to look down on them simply because she is smarter is arrogant. Of course, she's only human, and is bound to have some faults. At least she doesn't combine her arrogance with ignorance the way so many others do.
"That Guy" wrote in message news:IazC9.339$[email]...
I was thinking about it more after I made my post, and yes, I do see what people are talking about when they speak of her "arrogance." However, I'd call it more like impatience. She gets mad when people are willfully stupid. And I admit right up front that I identify with her. :)
I guess it would be best to talk about a specific example.
Again, it's not just that she's smarter.
I'm inclined to go with the naivete idea. She's sometimes arrogant, and pushy and rude and impudent, because despite her wisdom for her age, she's too young to know any better. One great example of when this was revealed to her is in Lisa the Vegetarian, where Apu tells her that what he learned was to be tolerant of others.
Lisa: When will all those fools learn that you can be perfectly healthy
simply eating vegetables, fruits, grains and cheese.
Apu: Oh, cheese!
Lisa: You don't eat cheese, Apu?
Apu: No I don't eat any food that comes from an animal.
Lisa: Ohh, then you must think I'm a monster!
Apu: Yes indeed I do think that. But, I learned long ago Lisa to
tolerate others rather than forcing my beliefs on them. You know
you can influence people without badgering them always.She
she doesn't think she's better, she thinks she's smarter, and she's right.
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that's called an "opinion"
Does anyone seem to notice how Lisa bilittles others? I believe she called Homer a Baboon once. I simply meant that Lisa seems to look at the opinions or beliefs of others as dumb or without value, (ie, Lisa the Vegitarian) among others.
Robin:) NRobin1027
Well, she IS better than everyone else around her!
If her way of coping with a teacher's strike is sucessfully creating a perpetual motion maching, then I would have to call her gifted.
Brad
yeah, just like if she were to create a vessel capable of going faster than the speed of light.
oh, wait ... then she'd be god.
You guys need to remember that she is just a cartoon character, she is as smart as the writer of the episode deems fit. A lot of people seem to think that being smart means your automatically know everything. You still have to learn everything, but you learn it easier, possibly MUCH easier, that's the diffrence.
And Lisa is very arrogant, and 'in your face'. Just because she's smater doesent make her better then everyone.
Somebody claiming to be [email] (Brad Filippone) wrote in news:ardplr$7ah$[email]:
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
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Hugh: But Lisa, you're better than this place: you're like a flower that grew out of a pot of dirt. Lisa: That's a horrible thing to say!
I just thought of the best way to describe Lisa. Ready? Here goes:
LISA SIMPSON-Gifted to a fault
Robin:) NRobin1027
She is better. She's always trying to stick up for what she believes in, and she's always willing to improve herself. In Lisa the Vegetarian, she realized in the end that it was wrong to try to change the beliefs of others, and she changed her behavior accordingly. Most of the characters around her are unwilling to examine their beliefs or behaviors that deeply.
"NRobin1027" wrote in message news:[email]...
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There's a difference? "NRobin1027" wrote in message news:[email]...
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Yes, as dictionary.com defines the two words:
overachiever
n : a student who attains higher standards than the IQ indicated
gift�ed ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gftd) adj. Endowed with great natural ability, intelligence, or talent: a gifted child; a gifted pianist. Revealing special talent: a gifted rendition of the aria.
I've always thought of Lisa as more someone that does well because she has A LOT of support from her parents and teachers etc, while Bart gets the bad rap of 'he's an idiot', it was Mr.s Hover herself that told a 6 year old Bart Simpson "F Bart, trust me you'll be seeing a lot of them" when he was in kindergarden (all I was say is, for a comment like that she should have been suspended, teachers like that do much more harm then good).
Lisa is someone who reads like crazy, your classic book worm. While most of her friends are playing, she's in her room studying, this is why she does so well.
That's why I feel she's an overachiever. Notice how stressed out and even freaked out she gets if she doesent get an A or doesent quite 'get' something? Grades are all she had, she has no real friends. Perhaps this why she tends to accept Bart's foibles (sp?), it's because her family are all she has besides her grades. Unfortunatly her own attitude is a significant reason for her failure to get and keep friends, her "im better then you" etc.
Her whole "I cant belive this! Now ill never get into Harvdard and will have to settle for Yale" is arrogance beyond extreme levels. Ignoring the fact that a person in grade 2 isn't going to be thinking about University for a *very* long time, her Unversity bashing just shows her arrogance even more.
Well, Mrs. Hoover did say that, but if you recall, Bart mangled the ABC's. One teacher's comment would not affect a kid as he grows older. The deal with Bart is that he is as he himself has said, he is an "Underachiever and proud of it!"
The difference between he and Lisa is that Lisa has the motivation to learn. If she did not, she could have the IQ, but it would mean nothing without the motivation.
Bart, on the other hand, would rather do anything else except learn. Teacher and family support can only go so far with the motivation.
JMHO, Robin:) NRobin1027
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Bart is addicted to intellectual stimulation, which public schools do their best to kill. List is addicted to achievement.
not always. private schools have their problems as well.
Re public schools, some teachers try, but what they have to work with is awkward and cumbersome, designed to be as unentertaining and nonstimulating as possible (at least it was when I went to school.)
I don't say anything about private schools because I have never attended one, so I have no idea what they're like.
"mister stoops" wrote in message news:arv2oo$k79$[email]...
Maybe you went to crappy schools? My kids attended public schools from K-12 (as did their mother & I) and they provided plenty of intellectual stimulation. My older one skipped 2 grades and went off to Cornell at age 16. Some of his teachers are still good friends. My younger one stayed stimulated enough to get into Stuyvesant HS in NYC.
["NRobin1027"; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:36:50 GMT]
It also confirmed that Springfield is in No State. The unknown flag, the unknown governor -- what other clues do you need?
"JD44-C84X" <jd44-c84x> wrote in message news:[email]...
snob.
That sounds just like Nebraska!!
["That Guy"; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:03:20 GMT]
(Plays banjo ditty.)