The Simpsons and Futurama

Oct 16, 2002, 11:54 AM ET15 posts by 7 posters
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Chris Pfeiler

I just wondered - why do people still insist that The Simpsons is the best show on TV?

I can�t say much about other shows on US TV but let me compare the Simpsons to Futurama (from which I have almost every episode.) The following text is as usual just my personal opinion and written in bad English.

When Futurama aired for the first time, I wasn�t very impressed. Sure, it had improved animation and some well-done design but it was...how should I say...a little too unpersonal and too sterile for my taste. It seemed too artificial to me and it was difficult to relate to the characters. But after watching the show for a little while, I realized that it�s nevertheless by far (by far) better than the conformized and sitcomish emptyness of the new Simpsons.

Futurama isn�t as good as the Simpsons was in its first 7 or 8 seasons but it�s IMO much better than the modern mass-market Simpsons. Even a mediocre Futurama episode has better balance, writing, character handling, plot structure etc etc. than a typical new OFF episode.

Let me try to make some points.

Matt Groening said in certain interviews (for older viewers) that the Simpsons are his way to make a serious political statement beside the fun, to say something against (too) strong right-wing-beliefs in society and politics, to show that certain governmental institutions aren�t always the friend of the common man, to make a point against the rehabilitation of Richard Nixon, to show different points of view and hidden subversion etc etc etc.

I still can see such ideas in many Futurama episodes but I can�t see them any longer in The Simpsons. To be honest, that "spirit" is IMO lost since many seasons and replaced by cheap mainstream adaptation, yet even Matt himself keeps insisting in recent interviews that The Simpsons is still as good as ever (seems like a kind of contradiction to me.)

One of my favorite Futurama episodes is the IMO brilliant "A Head in The Polls". We have a great title, an outstanding political satire, a smart and inspired plot with great references, dialogues, and visual gags - and to me that�s clearly an episode in the tradition of classic political OFF stuff like timeless "Sideshow Bob Roberts". When did we have a Simpson episode in that style for the last time? 5 seasons ago? Or even 6 seasons ago?

Let�s consider the writing of many modern OFF episodes - jokes and slapstick in a row, weird visual stuff and obvious gags in the background (not to support satire but to fill the airtime), no unified plotline but very often three almost independent acts and so on. Innovation? Where? The Simpsons are going to [insert place] and have a wacky adventure there or Homer has a new job and fails because of his idiocy. The once subtle and thought-provoking satire is now loud, pseudo-satirical and in-your-face. OFF episodes like "Brawl in the Family" have almost no real direction, episodes like "Weekend at Burnsie�s" have some true potential but simply waste most of it for some cheap ("funny") parody.

Does that really sound like the best show on TV with the best writing (which would mean the same writing as some seasons ago.)

I�m not saying that to bad-mouth professional writers, I just say it to state my own opinion. If the OFF writers compare their recent work to their classic work and to the work of their Futurama colleagues they should be able to see the objective point.

All the special and unique qualities I expect from a good Simpson episode can be found now (of course in different form) in a good Futurama episode but I can�t see them any longer in most Simpson episodes.

So why did Futurama fail? There are certainly many reasons, FOX treated it rather badly. How many people here have seen every Futurama episode? A lot of people also had wrong expectations and too many prejudices when the show started and complained "It�s not like The Simpsons. Why is there no wacky Homer? I hate Billy West. I hate Katey Sagal. I hate that Lobster guy. I want Homer..." (read the JTS website to see how people bad-mouthed Futurama right after the very first episodes.) That�s a very unfair treatment and FOX adapted to it.

To come to an end - great F3K stuff like "A Head in The Polls", "Godfellas", "Parasites Lost", "Luck of The Fryish", "Bending in The Wind", "War is The H-Word", "Where No Fan has Gone Before" (<= best Trek parody ever) and so many more are IMO clear proof that the Simpsons are no longer the best show. Alas, the best show on TV is cancelled now and the Simpsons still survive. But do they survive because of their quality?

I think it�s a good advice to try to get every Futurama episode and to watch it without prejudice or wrong expectations. It�s not The Simpsons but it has IMO many unique qualities the Simpsons had already lost when Futurama aired for the first time. Just my humble opinion of course.

Any comments?

Chris

R H MenzelChris Pfeiler

Chris Pfeiler wrote in message news:[email]...

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Just an observation:

People will like what they like, and then find justifications for their beliefs. People will also hate and later find justifications.

Years ago, I saw "The Fourth Man" at an art-house theatre with some friends. After the movie, I was amused at all their comments of the movie's deep brilliance and intricate examination of the blah, blah, blah. I had informed these people of an article I had read several weeks earlier of how the director meant this movie to be a goof on art-house movies and that he deliberately filled it with cliches. They refused to believe that article ever existed. I often create "art" with the same purpose, just to see if anyone has the balls to call me on the pomposity.

We can't look at anything without our own prejudices, no matter how ingrained or new these prejudices be.

The "Simpsons" have not changed. Only the jokes and the style have changed. Sort of like George Carlin!

-Bob

Jake LenningtonR H Menzel

"R H Menzel" wrote in message news:...

Very true, but then again, when is a TV show something to be 'believed in'?

Okay, how have the Simpsons NOT changed? Or better yet, what parts, outside of jokes and style, are still the same?

Jake

R H MenzelJake Lennington

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Not just a TV show, anything!!!

changed.

Overall, it's still a humorous show, which goofs on pop culture. That's what I liked about it in the first place, and that's why I still watch it now.

Point of interest: My age may be an indication of why I don't care that the recent "Simpsons" aren't "hip", "cool", "avant garde", etc. I'm too old to care about the latest fad, and am only interested in well-made (produced) items (shows).

-Bob

Chris PfeilerR H Menzel

R H Menzel wrote:

Just an own observation:

You always seem to think that all people who prefer old OFF seasons do it just to be with the "cool" and "hip" people and because it�s some kind of cool and hip fad to complain about recent OFF episodes (you also think that about people who take the show more seriously than others.)

Short comment without rambling - I don�t think that�s true, at least not completely. The matter why people complain and why they want the old style back is IMO more complex than just "I complain because it�s a hip fad."

About the age - I�m 25 (almost 26) but I know some people who are 35 or older and who also absolutely prefer the old seasons. They don�t care about latest fads or their cool image but they nevertheless say that seasons 1 - 8 were far better than 9 - 13.

I even made the observation that especially older people and people who don�t care that much about hip culture and own "cool" image prefer the very first seasons, even if they started to watch the show in later years.

Chris

R H MenzelChris Pfeiler

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Agreed....these are your observations. I have a completely different look at things. I find younger people (such as yourself) need to identify with the new and/or "anti-establishment". That belief is backed up by advertisers (in general) and politicians and psychologists (to a lesser degree.

JD44-C84XChris Pfeiler
  • Chris Pfeiler (Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:54:07 GMT):

DESPITE the fact that one cast member was curiously silent throughout!

JD44-C84X
UnderdunkTChris Pfeiler

Very well written, I agree with most, if not all of it. I guess what I can say is that people love the show too much to see the problems. Its sort of like having a family member who has alzheimers and doesn't even know you anymore. They don't react well to you neccesarily, they may even be a completely different person, but you don't want to admit it because you loved them so much and they brought you so much joy in the past. Its sort of like how many of us still watch The Simpsons in the first place....obviously many of us have lost interest in the show (strictly speaking of the newer episodes and seasons), but its hard to give it up when it brought us so much joy in the past.

To those that still insist Simpsons is the best show around, go watch Futurama. Unless you truly believe what you say, you'd probably enjoy Futurama more.

R H MenzelUnderdunkT

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Both shows are (obviously, arguably) well done. The problem I have, personally, with "Futurama" is that much of it seems mean-spirited.

-Bob

Chris PfeilerR H Menzel

R H Menzel wrote:

There are some very mean-spirited episodes, for example "Insane in The Mainframe" or "A Tale of Two Santas" and they aren�t among my favorite episodes. I think Futurama (like the Simpsons) is often at its very best when they deal with serious topics and with emotions and character-relation behind the thick layers of sarcasm and social satire.

In addition, Futurama has (or had) IMO a better balance of episode styles - we have wacky stuff, parodies, obvious and subtle satire, sarcasm and mean stuff but also serious and character-related episodes. That�s the difference to the Simpsons where we had (especially in seasons 11/12) the same wacky nonsense and the same overused style almost every week. Loss of balance - that�s the main problem of recent OFF.

The Simpsons are also very mean-spirited in the last years and the most "funny" thing is very often how to hurt Homer in a most painful or disgusting way. Difference - the sarcasm in Futurama has often some sort of satirical point, the writers try to say something with it. Sarcasm in recent Simpsons is (at least IMO) often pointless, just filler material and standard stuff.

Chris

R H MenzelChris Pfeiler

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We all look at things through our own experiences. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I have trouble with people who think personal opinion is universal fact....whether they say IMHO or not!

-Bob

Mr. BurnsChris Pfeiler

Can someone tell me where I cna buy Futurama Season 1 DVD set please for cheapest?

Blues PunkMr. Burns
play.com "Mr. Burns" wrote in message news:aolr7i$jon$[email]... : Can someone tell me where I cna buy Futurama Season 1 DVD set please for : cheapest?
Blues PunkChris Pfeiler

"Chris Pfeiler" wrote in message news:[email]...

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Comments hmm? ... make shorter posts! ;o)

Chris PfeilerBlues Punk

Blues Punk wrote:

That was a short post by my standards ;-).

Chris