Do Jews EVER date Jews?

Note how on Seinfeld and every other show that Jews NEVER date JEWS.

Why, I'd screw Elaine and I'm not even Jewish. So, how do Jewish broads ever get laid?

Dr. Sheissman wrote:

While my wisdom in responding to this idiocy is questionable, I'd like to point out a couple of things:

• The character of Elaine is NOT Jewish; she's pretty distinctly WASP.

2. While Jerry does have a thing for Nordic types, his character has dated a couple of apparently Jewish women. I believe there was even a character that kept kosher, and George, after having been wronged by her in some way, to get revenge, cooked her an omlet with a "secret" ingredient that turned out to be lobster .

3. Buried in your moronic, anti-semitic comments is a valid point: The media does portray a disproportionate number of Jews (especially men) in relationships with non-Jews (e.g. Mad About You, Seinfeld, Murphy Brown - the list goes on). Yet, even as intermarriage is worrying many more conservative (little "c") Jews, the fact is, only 50% are marrying (and hence, only 50% are probably regularly dating), non-Jews. It's rather upsetting that networks find it necessary to make shows "less Jewish". To use Seinfeld as an example again: On the Show, only Jerry is Jewish. George is supposedly Italian (ha!), Kramer is perhaps Greek (first name Cosmo?), Elaine, as mentioned is Anglo-Saxon; yet Jason Alexander and Michael Richards are Jewish in real life, and so are the individuals (Larry David and the real Kramer), on whom their characters are based. But, a show with three Jewish main characters probably wouldn't play well in the heartland, and that shows how far this country has to go...

5. BTW, your comments are also blatantly sexist. Your nickname says a lot about you.

Mark L. Levinson spewed:

go...

Now, what the hell kind of bigoted remark is that?

      ** I, Mark L. Levinson, wasn't the spewer of that one,
         but what the heck.  I spewed the following one:

To which Mike Haight responds:

You could take your blinders off, yank the word "Jewish" out, and it would still be a good statement.

      ** and I direct you to the Huxtables, the Petries, and
         other sitcom families from the same mold:  wisecracking
         kids, mildly wacky but deeply loving parents.  Basically,
         any show that has children.

My apologies.

This rather proves my point about being "hard pressed" to find any family (regardless of religion). In one of two examples, you had to dip all the way back to the days of monochrome.

No, it isn't "any" show with children. Maybe they direct the more stable family shows to you in *.il. But here (the country that has brought you Hollywierd), the presence of children doesn't mean stable. All it means is it might lean a little more in that direction.

No, it isn't "any" show with children. Maybe they direct the more stable family shows to you in *.il.

    ** Aha, you detected my weakness.  Yes, I'm in Israel and I
       can't claim an encyclopedic knowledge of American sitcoms.
       But we do receive Seinfeld, Mad About You, Nanny, Roseanne,
       Frazier, Third Rock, and many more.  Generally a year late.
       If there were any show that depicted a well-functioning
       Jewish family, I think we'd see it here.  (They even dug
       out THE GOLDBERGS for us at one point.)  I realize that
       Jews are a very small percentage of the US population, but
       they do pop up again and again as TV characters and usually
       the way you can tell that they're Jewish is that they're
       caricatures.

       (Now it's somebody's turn to say "But everyone on Seinfeld
        is a caricature!"  Okay, we're off topic.  I have nothing
        against Seinfeld's portrayal of Jews... not even Mrs.
        Constanza...)

I think the Costanza name is either a red herring or can be explained as Sephardic? Bottom line is that the George character is distinctly Jewish. He's played by the Jewish Jason Alexander and he's based on the Jewish cocreator of Seinfeld, the show, Larry David. Take an episode like "the Limo" (I think that's the OT) and see that the humor springs from the situation of the Jewish George being mistaken for a Neo-Nazi kingpin. Anybody knows that if George were Italian he'd have big muscles and would be incapable of pronouncing "th". The only Italian reference I can recall is when George tries to impress the calzone maker by telling him his name is Italian - but it sounds bogus.

About your other question: I don't think JLD is related to Richard Dreyfus but I believe she's distantly related to the Dreyfus of the "Dreyfus Affair". I don't know the details but this was a 19th century court case that exposed French antisemitism. I believe Emile Zola wrote a book about it called "Je Accuse". I could be very wrong.

Don't know about JLD being related to Captain Dreyfus, but she is of French descent. Her father is CEO of the Dreyfus investment banking firm, making her an heiress to one of the world's more significant fortunes (Source: Forbes Magazine)

I am related distantly to Alfred Dreyfus of the Dreyfus affair, but I am not (to my knowledge) related to JLD or to the Dreyfus investment bankers. Richard Dreyfuss spells his name with an extra 's'. (Two s's is German, one s is French. The family is from Alsace, so the area switched back and forth between France and Germany about twice a week.)

Again, I could be wrong but I seem to recall reading about this in a Vanity Fair profile of JLD some months back. It would be easy to verify if anyone is so inclined. Also, I think I the Zola book is "J'Accuse". (Apparently my anal retention is better than my memory retention.)

Adios, Slo

Wow...that was terrific...

BoBa ==== "I talk the talk, and walk the walk, baby"

George isn't Jewish. He's just from Queens. Everyone from Queens is like that, regardless of their ethnic background :-)

What's Elaine's background supposed to be? Benes is a Spanish name, but it's a Spanish name which many Spanish Jews adopted....

Slo wrote in article ...

***SNIP***

I remember seeing Jason Alexander on something (maybe the Tonight Show) a few years ago where he said that although the Costanzas admittedly "act" Jewish, they most certainly were not. He did say that he thought that maybe they were Jews who were in the Witness Protection Program, thus explaining their Jewishness (is that a word?)

How about Frank's look-alike cousin who lives in Tuscany? Last I heard, that's in Italy.

With the exception of "Cosby" and "The Waltons", I can't think of a show that portrays a well-functioning family, no matter what the religious or ethnic background. Conflict is what makes for an interesting story.

In soc.culture.jewish on Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:30:51 -0800 The Nerve posted:

Last year a gentile reader didn't even realize that Paul Reiser's character was Jewish (since they don't actually say so.) No, the Costanzas are not Jewish. I think the reference to Mrs. Constanza might be influenced by Jerry Stiller's marriage to Ann Meara.

I do think the writers, including Seinfeld himself, go beyond teasing when they deal with Jews. I don't think the Jews among them have a healthy attitude, and if there are gentiles in the group, they of course think if it is alright with the Jews there, who are they to say no. I don't go out of my way to watch it anymore, and may stop altogether. Several episodes were cynical and tasteless: Schindler's list, the Orthodox girl supposedly tempted by lobster. But by far the worst was a scene in a bakery more than a year ago where Elaine compared Napoleon to a nazi murderer, in a 'joke' that truly wouldn't have been funny for any reason. I wrote them both, received no answer, and I made a point when they reran it to note whether they deleted the 10 seconds, which had no relation to anything around it. They left it in.

If you wish to respond about seinfeld, please email me since I don't read alt.tv.s.

meir

[email] wrote:

The Costanzas are supposed to be Italian...there was an episode where George's father went back to his hometown in Sicily. It seems ridiculous to me, not only are ALL the actors Jewish, but the whole family dynamic feels Jewish.

There was also an episode where Jerry and George, arriving at the airport, decided to grab a limo and masquerade as the person for whom the chauffeur was holding up a sign. It turned out it was a group of neo-nazis. Jerry was very uncomfortable, but said NOTHING.

Seinfeld expresses an ambivalence that, unfortunately, a large number of American Jews, particularly non-religious, heavily assimilated ones, still feel about their background. You could argue that he is forward-thinking in his "gritty" portrayal of this ambivalence, but I don't know if Jerry is that intellectually deep.

Still, I find the show extremely funny, and while I am upset by the willingness of the cast and producers to water down the show's "Jewishness", 'Seinfeld' is still a heck of a lot more "Jewish" than most shows on TV, e.g. expressive of the New York secular Jewish mentality. Forget about ever seeing religious Jews on TV, except as caricatures. And when was the last time any one on a network sit-com actually said "I'm Jewish" or "We're Jewish"??? It's pretty disturbing to see the way they dance around it on "Mad About You", "Seinfeld", "Friends" (on which 3 of the main characters - Rachel, Ross and Monica - are Jewish). Dramas seem a little more honest - I guess sit-com viewers' middle-american "bubble" is too precious to be popped by admitting to the existence of Jews (!), and it's pretty ironic that one of the few shows on which I remember seeing a character's Jewishness actively mentioned was "Beverly Hills, 90210" (David Silver character).

Everyone is talking about how Seinfeld isn't really making clear stand on whether a character, especially Jerry, is Jewish and how he feels. But, there was that episode with the rabbi who would blab Elaine's conversations with him on live telivision. The plot included Jerry stating that the rabbi's actions were not typical of the Jewish community, and Jerry made it clear in the context of the statement that he was clearly part of this community.

Sageev

In soc.culture.jewish on 7 Nov 1997 11:47:02 -0800 [email] (sageev) posted:

Good point, but the episode itself was obnoxious. It not only wasn't typical, no one would do what the character did.

P&M

meir

Not to get too far off the subject, but the character of Andrea Zuckerman on 90210 was an openly practicing Jew, even going as far as to have the wonderful Lainie Kazan playing her immigrant grandmother. It wasn't until some anti-semitic antics took place on their college campus did David Silver confront his Judaism, and that was only after Andrea prodded him.

In soc.culture.jewish on Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:58:29 -0800 David Luke posted:

P&M

You're right, but last summer I met an Italian guy renting canoes on the Delaware River in NYS (barryville). He had lived in NY and he seemed, if not Jewish, as easy to relate to as most Jews I know. I love NY.

Actually, that one didn't bother me. I guess, since they were at least portrayed as bad guys, the details didn't matter to me.

I don't think that is it either. I think he is screwed up in one way or another and doesn't know it. I suspect he thinks he teases all groups equally, or feels more entitled to tease Jews because he is one. I think he is too young and stupid to understand the shoa. (just my guessing of course)

Or even 'I'm a Jew'. :)

didn't watch that one.

WRT the image of Jews in the gentile world, two examples.

A few years ago, I was sitting in the DallasFW airport waiting to be picked up and talking to a guy who had just finished the property settlement with his ex-wife, felt robbed, and was heading back to Denver where he lived. Talked about 10 minutes and when he left, he said Shalom. I reveiwed everything I'd said, hadn't mentioned anything Jewish, so I caught up with him and asked how he knew. He said it was because I was "friendly and talkative". Spontaneous Utterance.

Just today I was at the auto parts store talking to the guy who works the counter for the last few years. He made some reference to Santa Claus and then said, Of course you celebrate Rosh Hashana and Yam Kippoor. I asked him how he knew I was Jewish, was it the beard? First he said he didn't know, and then said it was my presence, my choice of words, my face (Jewish I think but not stereotypical), my demeanor, and my name (which he may have seen months or years ago). I would add that the n'hood is about 50% black, and 20 or 25% Jewish, so the example isn't as good as the first one.

!Just saw a black guy on Candid Camera wearing a Coca Cola t-shirt in Hebrew!

meir

[email] wrote:

There was one show, where a catholic guy that jerry had known converted to judaism, and then started making jewish jokes. When jerry expressed surprise at this, the guy told him about his conversion, with the implication that.. it's okay to make fun of jews if i am one!. And then he kept making catholic jokes.. I can't remember the entire gist of that storyline, can anyone help me out? But i did get the feeling that "it's okay to make fun of <insert name of group here> if you are a member of that group".

Also, forgive my ignorance, what is the shoa? I got the impression from another post that it was the holocaust.. If so, are you saying that it's not okay to make jokes about judaism because of the holocaust? I'm not sniping here, just trying to understand what's going on.

In soc.culture.jewish on 12 Nov 1997 21:45:51 GMT [email] (KC Smith) posted:

P&M

Generally that is true, but Jerry had the impression he converted JUST so he could make jokes about Jews. I had no objection to that episode, although it was ridiculous. Telling jokes seemed to be the essence of this guy's jewish identity, and they weren't funny ones. When converts tell jokes, they usually try to find funny ones.

I give Jerry the benefit of the doubt and think he was just exploring the general issue of ethnic or religious jokes (and dentist jokes I think were included). I don't expect him or want him to come to a conclusion for us. We should do that ourselves.

That's right Sorry, that's the Hebrew word.

Not at all. YOu came in in the middle and my biggest complaint about seinfeld was his tasteless jokes about the holocaust, not about Jewish stuff in general. In fact although I think his poor attitude shows in a lot of his Jewish related episodes, I don't think I would have ever noticed if he hadn't made at least two offensive episodes regarding the holocaust. If he had left those out, I might have just laughed at the one where the observant young woman sneaks down to eat lobster when she is on Long Island, and her other immodest behaviour, all of which is verrrry unlikely for an observant woman. But because I think Jerry is screwed up (or maybe just young and stupid), I think he has an agenda or perhaps just a bad attitude behind these sub-plots.

Murderers aren't funny, mass murder is not funny, but one can see clearly in the last few years that Jews and gentiles both make jokes about nazi crimes, while survivors of the camps and the children and grandchildren of those murdered are still alive to hear their torment made into a joke. And the Jewish comics and a few other Jews who make jokes are the worst, because for the most part gentiles wouldn't do so, except that Jews make it look ok.

meir

[email] wrote:

:

Please don't apologize for that.. I'm picking up words as I go along (yesterday i learned what 'niddah' was, for instance..), but I haven't been able to find a good english-to-hebrew dictionary anywhere (at least, not one that writes the hebrew words with english letters :P).

:

Ah, i understand now, sorry for walking in in the middle - i started at the beginning of the thread as far as my news server had it, but that was pretty far from the actual beginning of the thread.

I've never seen the episodes you speak of, unfortunately, so i really shouldn't comment :)

Mark L. Levinson wrote: (snip)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mrs. Costanza's religion is not revealed on the show. I remember when George became Latvian Orthodox he was worried that his parents would find out, but we never discovered their religion. They do appear to be Jewish, but who knows? Not that theyre's anything worng with that!

In article , [email] wrote:

What does "They do appear to be Jewish" mean? You can tell a person's religion by how they look? What does a Jewish person look like?

:

Actually, i love the caricatures of George's parents because they remind me a lot of my parents, both catholic, as well as many of my non-jewish friends' parents.. The show just takes the normal and elevates it to the extreme, and that's what makes it so funny for me :)

In soc.culture.jewish on 12 Nov 1997 21:15:32 GMT [email] (KC Smith) posted:

I agree with you.

I just took this post to attach a related comment here. There was an episode where Mrs. Costanza said she would never have a German car. Although I am sure there are Italians who feel this way, it does sound even more Jewish.

meir

 George once got his parents upset because he was converting from their
religion, which was not Jewish, to another to impress a girl.
The actor who plays Frank Costanza has said that the Costanza's are in a
federal witness relocation program which would explain everything. George
on occasion has said his whole life is a lie.
I think the Elaine character is based on Carol Leifer who was a writer on
the show.
   I think Seinfeld is pretty much Jewish positive even if most of the
real people the characters are based on are really Jewish. At least Jerry
had at least one Jewish girlfriend who was portrayed positively. I can't
remember the last time I saw a Jewish guy with a Jewish girl on tv. The
Hollywood writers are terrified of this. Even the show Brooklyn Bridge had
a young Jewish boy with a non Jewish girlfriend. Generally Jews are
portrayed as very nerdy  even the childen. Remember the show the Wonder
Years. The Jewish boy next door was a good kid but not very  cool.
   On friends I think Monica and her brother are half Jewish. Their father
is obviously Jewish and the mother seems non Jewish. It would have been
nice if those two characters could be 100% Jewish as they are both
likeable.
Bob

I wonder if Rachel is supposed to be Jewish - there's the name, and there was a flashback to her as a teen before she had nose surgery. Also, she's very materialistic. Hmm. If she is supposed to be Jewish, it's not a very nice stereotype.

jds

[email] (Joe Slater) writes:

I would describe it as an excellent stereotype.

All stereotypes are true, you know?

"All will be joy-smiths and their task shall be to beat out laughter from the ringing anvil of life" -- Jack London

I think they are supposed to be Greek.

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:45:23 GMT,

Frank's from Tuscany, but Estelle "won't ride in a German car" which certainly sounds like something one might expect to hear from a Jewish woman of her generation. I haven't seen anything on Seinfeld which would definitively discount the possibility that theirs is a mixed marriage and George is halachically Jewish (although actually Latvian Orthodox).

In , Suzanne Fortin writes:

There's a time and a place for religious entertainment, and prime time on network television is neither. You can get your fill on Sunday mornings.

I don't think she was talking about religious entertainment. She just meant that in most TV shows, religion is never mentioned. That doesn't jive with American society, where a large percentage of the population attends religious services and in other ways incorporate religion in their lives. By cutting out all of this, by refusing to portray it, it makes it seems like the average person has nothing to do with religion. That is what I think she meant, feel free to correct me.

And actually I would disagree somewhat with this. Here are some shows that have characters that are religious: Simpsons (Flanders, Marge), Touched by an Angel, Family Matters (at one point, Steve Urkel), X-Files (Scully)....

I know, totally off topic for the Seinfeld newsgroup! I would rather see better portrayals of religious people, more realistic, but TV is in the business of entertaining, not documenting...

Maria

OK. You may be right, but the response came from the soc.culture.Jewish side of this cross-post, so I wasn't sure what their motivation was. Also, I have a differrent take on the state of religious activity in America. I am a very non-religious person. I was born Jewish, but that was more my parents doing than mine. I prefer not to trust in any 'higher power' whether it be Jesus, Buddha, Vishnu, or any of the hundreds of other 'true and only' gods. (And I don't want to hear than someone pities me, or is praying for my soul, please. I'm doing just fine. Really. I take full credit for the good stuff in my life, and I accept full responsibility for the bad stuff.)

Well, of the shows you mentioned, I only watch the Simpsons, and I do enjoy the parts with Ned. He's a perfect neighbor for Homer. They are almost exactly opposite, which is why I think they wrote him in as a religious person. BTW, howbout the way they portray Rev. Lovejoy? He's a Reverend, but he dislikes many of the people in his congregation, especially Ned Flanders! The most faithful of his flock! This is not a very 'positive' portrayal at all. In one particular ep., Ned experienced a loss of faith and called Lovejoy in the middle of the night for help. Well, the wife answered the phone, said "Tim, it's for you, it's Ned. I wonder what he wants." to which he replied "He probably stepped on a worm." Is this any way for a man of the cloth to act?? Add to this the fact that he contantly misquotes the bible, and you've got a religious character that only serves to inflame the truly devout. Maybe there should be even less religion in prime time. Oh, God forbid, right?

True, on both accounts. Seinfeldistic inappropriateness AND the real business of television. That's why I suggested Sunday mornings. There you will find plenty of religious programming that may be more palatable to a 'faithful' viewer.

Just my (nitpicking) two cents on that opinion...the context of that Simpsons episode was Ned begging for the Reverend's help for every trivial problem he had...ANY clergyperson would tire of Ned's inability to handle his own life...

In , Chad Seeraty writes:

Ok. Maybe so, but you snipped my other examples and there's way more than just that. Didja see the ep where the Rev's daughter stole the collection plate money? Or the one where Homer stopped going to church?

[email] (Joe Slater) writes:

Religion/superstitution of any sort is to be cast aside, "native" included. It's all outmoded oppressive crap.

Mark L. Levinson wrote in article ...

Try the Goldbergs; but alas the show has been off for almost 4 decades.

"Nelson Samuel Magedman" writes:

Has the Goldbergs ever been rerun? I heard it aired in the early 1950's. Have you seen the show?

"All will be joy-smiths and their task shall be to beat out laughter from the ringing anvil of life" -- Jack London

Has the Goldbergs ever been rerun? I heard it aired in the early 1950's. Have you seen the show?

      ** I know it's available 'cause I've seen it broadcast
         here in Israel not so many years ago.  It's stereotyped,
         but not viciously.  Interestingly, while all today's
         shows are copyright by conglomerates and ad hoc
         corporations, The Goldbergs has a notice saying it's
         copyright by Gertrude Berg.

It is available on videotape. Raina

"Mark L. Levinson" wrote:

There was a Canadian series in the early ninties about a Jewish family living in the Canadian prairies. The show was called "Max Glick", or something like that. The family was not dysfunctional, and a central character was an Orthodox rabbi who was imported by the conservative community.

Morton M. Goldmacher Barrister and Solicitor

Far as I can tell, only Jerry and maybe Kramer, are supposed to be Jewish.

Jim Mork wrote:

Actually, I think only Jerry is SUPPOSED to be Jewish. But, the discrepancy we were noticing is that in reality, Jerry Seinfeld, Jason Alexander, and Michael Richards are ALL Jewish. AND, so are the real people upon whom their characters are based (Jerry, Larry David and Kenny Kramer). And since it's such a reality-based show, it seems the only reason they didn't have all three characters portrayed as Jewish was because of a fear that certain segments of the audience would be alienated, which indicates a certain amount of anti-semitism on the part Americans, and a willingness on the part of NBC to pander to it.

Jerry Seinfeld, Jason Alexander, and Michael Richards are ALL Jewish.

** No, Michael Richards is Catholic.

In article , [email] wrote:

Geeze I'm tired of this thread. Who cares! What is it with you people anyway?? Would you not watch the show if they were Muslims? More Muslims on this planet than Jews.

Dave, did you forget to add... Not that there's anything wrong with that?

But really, could making out through Lawrence of Arabia be as funny as making out at Schindler's list? Would a Marble Pita episode be as good as a Marble Rye?

Be cool folks its all for fun. :-)

What nationality are George's parents supposed to be? I've never met anybody like that, but I'm sure there must be some. :-)

Kramer Jewish? Sorry, he seems quite goyisha to me.

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:42:27 -0800,

Kramer isn't Jewish - that's why having him organise a Jewish singles event was so funny.

Elain is Jewish?

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In , "Hedvigh" writes:

No. Julia, the actress, is Jewish. Elaine, the character, is not.

Julia Louis-Dreifuss is not Jewish. She is married to a Jew.

Brad Hall (Julia's current husband, one-time SNL "news" anchor and current NBC executive) is Jewish? I mean it's possible, but with his midwestern manner, blond hair and waspy surname (Woody Allen specifically chose the name for the character of his very gentile girlfriend - "Annie Hall"), I would tend to guess otherwise.

I'm not sure if her hyphenated surname comes from a previous husband named "Dreyfuss", or has some other origin.

Mike Medved wrote:

In article , [email] wrote:

Her younger sister also has the hyphenated surname, so I'm guessing it's not from a previous husband... -JMP

She is not Jewish by Jewish law, but is of Jewish ancestry (i.e., not on her mother's side).

I don't know about Brad Hall, but I do know that Monty Hall of "Let's Make a Deal" fame is Jewish.

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I thought Monty Hall was Canadian.

Anyway since we are tired of discussing Seinfeld character's religions lets discuss game show hosts religions. Alex Trebek is French Canadian, does that count? :-)

I though Alex Trebek was from Toronto and that his background is Ukranian. :)

Ok, I will take "Canadians from Toronto" for $500 and loose $200, Sorry.

Alex is not French Canadian (but he comes from a region of Ontario with lots of French Canadians). He speaks excellent French though.

Michel (who is French Canadian)

What I meant is that he is not FRENCH Canadian, as most people from Toronto are not of French descent. (as my friend from Toronto once told me.)

One can be both Canadian and Jewish. At least, Mordecai Richler seems to think so (as does his cousin, Jerusalem Post columnist Sam Orbaum). Come to think of it, my father also has cousins who are both Jewish and Canadian. So that makes at least four, five if you count Monty Hall.

(Back when the dinosaurs ruled the earth and I was in BBYO, Monty Hall was, for some reason, the featured guest speaker at the BBYO International Convention in Yenevelt, PA. I remember that one rather annoying person would question anyone who came to speak, "Do you consider yourself a Jewish American or an American Jew," and Mr. Hall replied, "neither -- I'm a Canadian," to general applause.)

In , "The News Guy-(Mike)" writes:

The News Guy-(Mike) wrote:

You can be Canadian and Jewish. My grandmother was a Jew from Toronto.

I think Brad Hall is Canadian too, but I still don't think he's Jewish.

No, but a close friend of mine is Jewish and a native of Montreal.

In article , [email]      (Dave) writes:
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But they're all New Yorkers which makes them Jews in the eyes of everyone not thoroughly Manhattanized.

They get married. (By the archaic term "broads", I'm assuming you mean "women"? & the ridiculous term "screw" I assuming you are referring to intercourse?)

Susan Cohen

I hate to tell you, but I knew this! It's one of the myriad reasons I don't watch network television!

[other depressing observations snipped]

What will become of the Nanny?

The only thing I like about this is (correct me if I'm wrong - I don't actually watch) that *she* is considered the object of desire - most Jewish women aren't. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that the only reason she's considered Jewish is because she's a walking negative stereotype, & not because (G-d forbid!) she actually does anything Jewish (go to shule, keep kosher, dress modestly, light Shabbos candles...)

• Israelis acknowledge that their version of

You mean Israel has a tv show where Jewish women run around half-naked? Things must have changed from a number of years ago when I remember reading that Playboy's "Women of the World" had a faked ISraeli section because they couldn't find any (enuf?) women willing to pose ("It's a small country," one said, "If I pose, everyone will know.").

Susan Cohen

In soc.culture.jewish Gary Rumain wrote:

Um, I don't think so. PB had a 1968 issue that more than adequately, um, covered the subject.

In soc.culture.jewish [email] wrote:

Maybe that's the one I'm talking about! I didn't know it was *that* long ago... But, to rephrase what I said: I read where Playboy had to get women who were not Israeli to pose for the Israeli section becasue not enuf Israeli women would agree to pose (One woman turned them down by asking for a ridiculous amount of money). I didn't say there wasn't a section on Israel in the edition, just that it wasn't full of Israelis.

Susan Cohen

I read where Playboy had to get women who were not Israeli to pose for the Israeli section

     ** My recollection is dim, but I think they were largely
        women who lived here in Israel but hadn't been raised here.
        Later, a local businesswoman bought the rights to publish
        an Israeli PENTHOUSE and it folded after half a dozen
        issues or so.  They featured some purportedly Israeli
        centerfold girls, but since the girls were pseudonymous
        it's hard to know how authentic they were.  Many Israeli
        actresses will do nude scenes (and many won't) but as
        Gary's quote said, "it's a small country" and that girl
        is likely to be your barber's neighbor's son's teacher's
        sister.  Things get embarrassing.

On 3 Nov 1997 05:54:20 GMT,

The only Jewish character on Seinfeld is Jerry and he's dated at least one Jewish girl (the one he necked with during Schindler's List). I suppose Sarah Chang(stein) is supposed to be Jewish as well, although he only dated her because he thought she was Chinese.

Wasn't the Janine Garofolo character Jewish? She and Jerry had similar last names.

My friend,

I can't help but express my awe of your brilliance. Why didn't anyone else think to base jewish behavior on Seinfeld??

This is truly genius!!!!

On 3 Nov 1997, Dr. Sheissman wrote:

They did it again!

Hollywood is forever trying to get Jews to intermarry!

Re: last weeks Seinfeld episode!

"All will be joy-smiths and their task shall be to beat out laughter from the ringing anvil of life" -- Jack London

OH NO!!! Let's not start this thread again!!!! PLEASE do us all a BIG favor and ignore this thread!

On 14 Dec 1997 07:20:20 GMT, [email] (Red) wrote:

Wait a minute!!!

I thought the Jews controlled Hollywood!!!! What the hell's going on here

 :)

Justin

On 14 Dec 1997, Red wrote: