Norene and Elaine

Jul 31, 2008, 8:17 PM ET12 posts by 8 posters
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Fans debate Elaine's personality and interactions with other female characters, particularly discussing whether she had issues with other women and reflecting on her dynamic with Susan.

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Doug

Perhaps what Norene really needed wasn't another man in her life but rather some woman-to-woman action with Elaine.

Art VandelayDoug

I think Elaine could have been a lez except for that queen bee syndrome she had. She felt threatened even by the very presence of another female. She was definitely an alpha female.

PaigeArt Vandelay

On Aug 1, 5:51 am, Art Vandelay wrote:

But she liked Susan and wanted her to join their "group"...at least until they all went to the movies and Susan "shhhed" them. They dropped her like a hot potato. But it wasn't just Elaine. Luckily for George, Susan just didn't fit in.

Paige

Art VandelayPaige

Paige wrote:

Susan had to go. She was KILLING THE GEORGE!

LDB.JRArt Vandelay

On Aug 2, 9:42 pm, Art Vandelay wrote:

Correction: She was killing INDEPENDENT George. Worlds were colliding. You know about the worlds don't you?

Art VandelayLDB.JR

There IS ONLY independent George. Susan wants the ANTI-GEORGE!

Mark MellinArt Vandelay

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Oh, you must mean Feldman's friend, "Gene."

Or perhaps, from <http://seinfeld.xtreemhost.com/Scripts/TheSoupNazi.html>:

SUSAN: Aw, what are you getting George?

GEORGE: I don't know, honey. What do you want to get? [in babying voice] I want you to get anything you want... 'cause I love you so much. I want you to be happy. Okay, sweetie?

SUSAN: Oh, George, you're so sweet.

GEORGE: Well, I could be a little sweetie tweetie weetie weetie.

 [...]

SUSAN: [in babying voice] Because you love your little kiki don't you?

  • Mark
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Alexis MachineLDB.JR

That scene of George explaining to Jerry all about "Independant George, Coffee Shop George, Movie George, Liar George... the George you grew up with" and "relationship George"... man that scene is probably the best ever George Costanza... definitely one of my top favorites.

"LDB.JR" wrote in message news:[email]... On Aug 2, 9:42 pm, Art Vandelay wrote:

Correction: She was killing INDEPENDENT George. Worlds were colliding. You know about the worlds don't you?

LRodAlexis Machine

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:25:06 +0400, "Alexis Machine" wrote:

You left out the most important--"bawdy Georgoe," which is followed by Jerry saying, "I love that George," and George says, "meeee, tooooo, and he's dying, Jerry..."

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Mark MellinLRod

But, who exactly is "bawdy George?" We really don't see many examples in the show, save for a morsel mentioned by the Rabbi in The Postponement episode.

from <http://seinfeld.xtreemhost.com/Scripts/ThePostponement.html>:

[At George's home. He and Susan are in bed watching TV]

Rabbi: [On TV] The prophet Isaah tells us without friends our lives are empty and meaningless.

George: Wait. Whoa! That's the Rabbi: from Elaine's building. I just met this guy the other day.

Rabbi: A young lady I know, let's call her Elaine:, happened to find herself overwhelmed with feelings of resentment and hostility for her friend, let's call him George:. She felt that George was somewhat of a loser and that she was the one who deserved to be married first. She also happened to mention to me that her friend had wondered if going to a prostitute while you're engaged is considered cheating. His feeling was they're never going to see each other again so what's the difference. But that is a subject for another sermon. Now, I'd like to close with a psalm.

Perhaps I'm forgetting other incidents?

  • Mark "calling Marisa before the funeral was a tad cheeky, too." Mellin
Mark Mellin San Mateo Village, CA 94403 USA
LRodMark Mellin

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:29:35 -0700, Mark Mellin wrote:

Well, the George who blew off a job interview to go have sex with a gal he just picked up in the subway ought to be counted.

How about the George who combined his three greatest pleasures in his lovemaking ("pastrami--it's the most sensual of the smoked, cured meats")?

How about the George who got cooking oil rubbed all over his bald head?

How about the George who was fired because of having sex with the cleaning woman?

How about the George who needed to read "Tropic of Cancer" in high school?

How about the George that used Jerry's girlfriends (Man Hands, I believe) picture to pick up girls at the secret hot women's meat market?

I can't speak to chronology (any or all of those may have happened after "Independant George"), either, but I think it was well established that all of the men in the series (except the "shortstop" and the wigmaster) were engaged on the usual perpetual quest for nookie, or bawdy activities, that all men pursue until they're 62 (so far).

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Mark MellinLRod

Ah, thanks, an excellent example.

Wouldn't those be "fetish George?"

Another bull's eye. I also forgot about "statistical George," calculating the odds on having sex with a Portuguese waitress.

But didn't everybody read either Henry Miller, Richard Brautigan, or Erica Jong in high school? :-)

More desperate than bawdy, IMHO.

True, but Jerry, Kramer, (and Elaine) seemed more interested in traditional dating in their pursuits rather than outright bawdy behavior. George-wise, you've proved your point. Thanks.

  • Mark
Mark Mellin San Mateo Village, CA 94403 USA