The Betrayal

S09E08 The BetrayalliveNov 21, 1997the next day9 posts by 9 posters
😂 Loved it
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Robert G Cameron
All right, this episode had to bring me out of retirement.  I had heard
something somewhere about the episode being backwards, and when I heard
this I figured it was going to be a bit silly.  But I was very pleased
to find it, in my opinion, the best episode this season (although I
missed the last 2) and I believe that it will become one of my classics.
	Starting at the end ... Jerry and Kramer first meeting.  That was one
of the greatest scenes I have ever seen on the show.  The way their hair
was done to make them look like that very first episode was great.
Kramer looking around and then asking .... "really?" was classic.
That's what started it all.  Seeing Susan back was great too, and to
find out that's where George got his "you can stuff your sorrys in a
sack, mister!" from.  Throughout the episode I noticed that they got
back to more of the subtle humor that we all know and love.  The second
time we hear George tell Jerry to sack his sorrys, Jerry gets that
sad/confused look on his face ... "I don't know what that means ..."  I
didn't see too many overly-forced gags as there have been for the first
part of the season so far.  When George says that birthdays are
depressing because you're looking around at all these people in your
house and thinking, "these are my friends?" and Jerry says "everday is
my birthday," that was one of these gags, but I still liked it.
	I'm a die hard fan of the show, always have been and always will be.
I'll watch the show no matter how 'bad' some think it will get.  I find
it interesting that so many people like to critisize the show, but isn't
it like looking a gift horse in the mouth?  We're getting this show for
free (basically) and there are people who are saying that's not good
enough?  People have to realize that while the writers and even Jerry
are doing what they can to make sure that we enjoy the show, everything
is about money.  If the show is good, people watch it, which means we
see the commericals that are on.  The commercials are what is paying NBC
to put on Seinfeld.  No one watches the show, the big name commercial
guys don't want to be on during that half hour, NBC looses money.  Don't
start thinking that the execs at NBC are doing anything for us.  They're
just giving us a great show so that Mazda will give them great amounts
of money.  In case you're wondering where the quotes went, it's for much
the same reason as above.  Someone commented that I was slipping, that
one of my quotes wasn't up to par with the rest.  They were coming to
him completey free but it just wasn't good enough.  After that I sort of
lost the will to do it anymore.  And there were so many more to write
too ...

Rob

P.S. Sorry to get depressing there. Anyway, loved the episode. Got a Seinfeld page up on my web site. Not much there yet (complete episode guide and a few quotes), but there should be more there as time goes on. And feel free to check out everything else that's there.

http://www.wzrd.com/home/notice/seinfeld.html

Tonight's episode was incredible. First, it was quite clever. Running it backwards could have gone wrong in so many ways, but they did it right! It was easy to follow the story, and it actually all unfolded nicely. It made things somewhat mysterious as you wondered, Why does George want to sleep with Elaine? (Besides her kinky voice, of course.)

Second, there were great individual moments in there. Elaine drunk was terrific. She is hilarious! We were laughing our pants off! Jerry swooping his arm across this counter and him and Nina jumping on it. Kramer after FDR gave him the look. George on the airplane!!! (But I think Elaine's performance topped them all.)

What a great show!

Maria

Also while saying this Elaine TOLD Jerry that the wedding was in India so he probably just assumed Pinter was from "there".

Nope. Elaine comes in; Kramer leaves with his huge lollipop. She tells Jerry she got an invite to Sue Ellen's wedding, Jerry makes a crack about the dress giving her support, but Elaine complains that the wedding is in a week which would make it an unvite. She asks George if he's taller and we learn about the Timberlands, then Elaine notices the name. That's just a minor nit. I did like how they covered the "Kessler" issue, although it messes up the "Mad About You" tie-in.

Donovan Roderick Unks III Emperor of the Universe and Master of Time and Space MSTie # 59280 ERROR 655321: Earth is 98% full ... please delete anyone you can
slowhandD. Unks

"D. Unks" wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, they already messed that up when George and Susan watched Mad About You in "The Engagement."

Now that you mention it, that was a good look for her, but the 'drunk Elaine with George at the coffee shop' was THE most attractive I've ever seen her. She had a cool, funky, wild look that caused a stirring in my loins.

Urp. I've said too much. [email] (Hammer nail here--> <-- for a new monitor.) (Remove XXXX to reply)

[email] (Dave) wrote:

DAMMIT...SHE'S MINE...AND I'LL FIGHT ANY MAN [AND SEVERAL WOMAN] WHO DENY ME!

Best wishes, WT

"if the truth will set you free and knowledge is power, what the hell am I doing watching so much TV?"

http://web2.airmail.net/bhate
DoctaGregDave

Oh my god! I was thinking exactly the same thing when I watched that scene. Maybe it was because her inhibitions were stripped away by the alcohol and she was more laid back and vulnerable. Nevertheless, she was extremely cute in that scene.

WGS

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First off, what is the Betrayal, and why is it so special... Also, would anyone be interested in a site containing transcripts from Seinfeld?

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