Two Mr. Litmans ???

S08E21 The Muffin TopsretroJan 13, 2002, 2:53 PM ET5 years later27 posts by 10 posters
Question

Fans discuss instances where the show used different actors for the same character across episodes, including multiple Mr. Litmans, Newmans, Frank Costanzas, and Lloyd Brauns.

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J. J. Levin

The other day the Seinfeld episode (Ch. 5 in New York) ran the episode where Elaine is afraid she'll get fired because her coworker didn't ask her what she wanted for lunch. She approaches Mr. Litman at the water cooler to ask if he's seen the book she left for him, about Christopher Columbus.

BUT -- this is not the same Mr. Litman whose son had a Bar Mitzvah, who wouldn't shake hands with his new Japanese partners (he had just sneezed on his hand) or who went into the muffin top business...

Were there two Mr. Litmans?

Thanks --

Jay

Robert TobgiJ. J. Levin

absolutely.....there was two Mr.Lipman's

There was also two Morty Seinfelds....

"J. J. Levin" wrote in message news:[email]...

SeinfanRobert Tobgi

Two Frank Costanzas and two Lloyd Brauns...

What about Tim Whatley and Jake Charmel (sp?), did they use different actors later for either of them?

Ecco

Robert Tobgi wrote...

unknownSeinfan

On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:30:04 GMT, "Ecco" wrote:

And two Newmans.

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Seinfanunknown

Right you are. Wasn't that only the voice though? Larry David did it, if memory serves me correctly. The jumping Newman sounds much like George Steinbrenner, doesn't he?

Ecco

J. J. LevinSeinfan

Ecco wrote:

I didn't follow Seinfeld for the first couple of years.

There were TWO Frank Costanzas ? Who played the first one ?

Jay

SeinfanJ. J. Levin

John Randolph played George's father in the original showing of Ep. #60 "The Handicap Spot", but was replaced by Jerry Stiller later for the syndicated showings. Does anyone know why they did that? I mean, I haven't seen anything but the original ep. Did they actually shoot again the scenes where Frank Costanza appears with different actor?

Andy MacAskillSeinfan

Ecco wrote:

According to one, probably both, of the two Entertainment Weekly issues that devoted themselves almost entirely to Seinfeld a few years back, the answer is yes, the scenes were reshot, characterized by EW, I seem to recall, as a "rarity" in TV episode-producing.

I didn't know about the two Newmans. "News Guy Mike," what are you talking about?

unknownAndy MacAskill

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:03:25 GMT, Andy MacAskill wrote:

Andy, is that really you? You don't know about the original Newman?

In The Revenge we hear Newman's voice off stage - it was Larry David. Wayne Knight had not yet taken the part.

In syndication versions Wayne's voice was dubbed back in.

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Andy MacAskillunknown

The News Guy(Mike) wrote:

Oh. The voice. Well, I don't count that as a "second Newman." Still, thanks for the post. I didn't realize that they dubbed Wayne Knight's voice in later (a la Jerry Stiller). BTW, didn't Wayne Knight shoot the horse in "Animal House"?

John TwernboldAndy MacAskill

Nope, "Flounder" was played by Stephen Furst. You may also remember him as Vir Cotto on Babylon 5.

John Twernbold jtwernbold (at) yahoo.com
Andy MacAskillJohn Twernbold

John Twernbold wrote:

Oh, sure. Next thing you'll be saying is that it wasn't The Maestro's horse that was shot! (^_^)

Never saw Babylon 5, but I've seen Mr. Furst on the occasional interview show. He's lost a lot of weight.

And, of course, I was just being funny about Newman shooting The Maestro's horse in "Animal House." Sorry.

John TwernboldAndy MacAskill

Doh! No, I should apologize--I'm the one who didn't get the joke! :-)

John Twernbold jtwernbold (at) yahoo.com
Andy MacAskillJohn Twernbold

John Twernbold wrote:

But you did know that indeed that is our "Maestro" in A.H., no?

BTW, who's the other Seinfeld connection to National Lampoon's Animal House?

John TwernboldAndy MacAskill

Yep, he's unforgettable. :-) I just mistook your joke for a serious question.

But speaking of The Maestro, I didn't realize he coincidentally also played the character "The Master" in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I started watching the early episodes recently in syndication on the FX channel, and was surprised to see in the credits that it was Mark Metcalf under all that makeup.

John Twernbold jtwernbold (at) yahoo.com
Andy MacAskillJohn Twernbold

John Twernbold wrote:

Alright, but who's the other Seinfeld connection to National Lampoon's Animal House?

BTW, the actor and I have something in common: an ex-girlfriend. I kid you not.

John TwernboldAndy MacAskill

I had to cheat to find this one--the "common performers" search at IMDb didn't work for some reason, so I did a quickie search at Alta Vista. It turned up over 2,000 links and I almost gave up, but one of the very first links was for a "Where are the Animal House actors now?" site. It revealed that Peter Riegert (Donald 'Boon' Schoenstein in Animal House) was in the Seinfeld Finale as "James Kimbrough", the new president of NBC.

That was actually the second link I followed; I thought I'd have better luck with a site which included examples of "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon", since I knew he was in Animal House. Unfortunately, they didn't use Riegert! It must've been written before the Finale, since they instead used this path:

"Julia Louis-Dreyfus of TV's Seinfeld, however, takes all six steps to make a chain, according to the book: She was in Christmas Vacation with Randy Quaid, who was in Major League II with Tom Berenger, who was in Shattered with Greta Scacchi, who was in Presumed Innocent with Harrison Ford, who was in Raiders of the Lost Ark with Karen Allen, who was in Animal House with Kevin Bacon."

Really? So, give us the dirt! :-)

John Twernbold jtwernbold (at) yahoo.com
NooneJohn Twernbold

In article , [email] says...

Not anymore:

Kevin Bacon was in Enormous Changes at the Last Minute (1983) with Giancarlo Esposito Giancarlo Esposito was in Speak Truth to Power (2000) with Julia Louis- Dreyfus

Andy MacAskillJohn Twernbold

John Twernbold wrote:

That's the guy.

You know, a couple of years ago I appeared in a community theatre production of "Evita." A young kid with whom I had done a show previous was also in it and she had appeared in "A Christmas Carol" with the late great Roddy McDowall (at Madison Square Garden). The upshot? While young Christina and I of course are not movie stars, if we go through performances (stage or screen), we can be linked not just to Mr. Bacon but to the real "Evita," Eva Per�n, who indeed acted in a few films. And I'm within the famous "six degrees." (Christina, of course, is within five.) Hint: Fernando Llamas in "The Lost World" is key.

Now, now. I have more class than that. And besides, as our break-up was relatively recent (I last saw her Sep. 12th), she still has in her house my piano and other items of personal property.

Suffice to say, she dated "Boone" briefly in the early 70s in NYC (before he became famous), when I was hardly dating age, didn't know her, and was not even then living in the New York area. (She's six years older than I.)

So Peter Riegert and I have a common ex-girlfriend--but some 30 years separates the two romances.

unknownAndy MacAskill

On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:12:54 GMT, Andy MacAskill wrote:

. . .

Peter Riegert?

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Andy MacAskillunknown

The News Guy(Mike) wrote:

Hey, you! You're disqualified from things like this. Both you and Dave. (^_^)

unknownAndy MacAskill

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:37:50 GMT, Andy MacAskill wrote:

. . .

BTW - where is Dave? Now that he won a CONTEST he seems to good for us? LOL

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John Twernboldunknown

I imagine he's in seclusion, spending every waking moment in preparation to meet the Big J.

John Twernbold jtwernbold (at) yahoo.com
homerr..2.1kJohn Twernbold

John Twernbold wrote in message ...

Did he ever post the finals of the 'Question's to ask Jerry' contest???

homerr..

EastCoastGuyzJohn Twernbold

I think the Maestro also appeared in a Twisted Sister music video too.

East

John Twernbold wrote:

unknownAndy MacAskill

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:26:10 GMT, Andy MacAskill wrote:

LOL - let's not start this again.

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