Kramer Speaks

S07E24 The InvitationsretroMay 28, 199612 days later4 posts by 4 postersalt.tv.seinfeld
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Fans debate the season finale's shocking killing of Susan, with mixed reactions to the speed of her demise and discussion of Seinfeld's history of groundbreaking television moments.

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I have been following the discussion about the season finale and Susan's death with great interest. People have either loved the show or hated it, but nobody's been indifferent. I think right there that says something!

I for one love the episode and consider it another Seinfeld breakthrough and milestone. Let's look at some other Seinfeld milestones, outrageous storylines never before attempted on network primetime broadcast television.

Naturally "The Contest" is the first to come to mind. In this one Larry David wrote a script in which the cast of the prime time sitcom make a bet that they can refrain from "jerking off". Tell me that isn't television history. It even earned Larry an Emmy. How about the episode with Poppy in which the abortion issue is totally trivialized? The AIDS ribbon, the blabber mouth rabbi who can't keep a secret, and what about the saxophone player that blew out his lip by giving Elaine oral pleasure? Well this time they've really done it. Here is Susan, a perfectly nice person, whose tragic demise made normally sensitive people laugh. When I first saw the episode air (I've watched it 3 times since) after I recovered from really serious laughter, I thought to myself how great that she's dead, if for no other reason than to piss off that guy at AOL who kept posting those asinine messages campaigning for Susan to have an even larger part on the show than Jerry.

FYI Larry David has been in NY the past week and we got to
spend some time quality time.  It was the first time in seven
years that we have been together and he didn't have to run off
to do something related to the show.   From my Power-Mac I
took him on a  tour of the internet,  it was the first time he
had ever seen it.  Neither he nor Jerry own a modem or a
computer for that matter.  I showed Larry the alt.tv.seinfeld
newsgroup.  He was impressed by the depth of knowledge and the
insightful and articulate comments of many of the posts.
However, he had no tolerance of the negative posts Re: Susan's
death.  His instinct was to write back telling these people to
*please* never watch the show again.  I talked him out of it.
People  have continually wondered if Jerry and Larry read the
newsgroups,  well now you know.   To give you some insight
into Larry's view of how the show is received, he doesn't care
what the fans and the general public think.  The only audience
Larry David cares about or is out to win is his peer group of
comedy writers.

Incidentally LD took the Reality Tour this weekend and thoroughly enjoyed himself. He gave me a few notes on some minor factual things that I didn't have quite right. Now I can boast that the information contained in the tours content is "absolutely actual and factual." My deal with Larry was that when he went on the tour it was to be with complete anonymity. I kept my end of the bargain however a reporter and cameraman from a San Diego newspaper happened to be on the tour that day to do a story. The reporter recognized Larry and after the tour Larry gave him a mini interview in which he generously praised and endorsed the tour. When the story is published (probably the second week of June) I'll post it in the "Print Slut" section of my home page.

In conclusion (I hope I'm starting to sound like Professor Irwin Corey) For all you Seinfan who were appalled by the death of Susan I say to you...lighten up. Seinfeld has always been about dark comedy. So this episode was a little darker than usual, to my way of thinking it was also a little funnier than usual.

Regards,

Kenny Kramer

Greetings Kenny,

I think the "Seinfeld" finale shocked people not because Susan was killed off...or because of George's reaction, but because it was done so quickly.

I mean, Larry, et. al. built up the Susan character some three years ago and featured her prominently in at least a dozen episodes. To kill her off in the last 10 minutes of the season seemed like a shame, I guess. But then, I'm just a viewer. As always, "Seinfeld's" finale was different than any other finale on TV, whether you liked it or hated it.

I congratulate Larry on an outstanding job on "Seinfeld" and can only hope he is as prolific in the future. However, when he reads negative comments about "Seinfeld," he should consider the advice George's shrink gave him in "The Pilot" :

"If you're going to be in the creative field you've got to learn to accept criticism."

Greg Gattuso author of "The Seinfeld Universe" July 1996 / Citadel Press

Hey Kenny,

Just a quick question about Larry David, I heard today that he was leaving the show next year, is this true? How do you think this will affect the shows next season? TCB [email]

In kenny kramer writes:

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I showed Larry the alt.tv.seinfeld

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        So much for talking him out of it. By quoting him, you got his
    message out.

Not to care what your target market thinks is ludircous.

        With the instant product free-back the internet newsgroups
   provide, I thought they would be like the rest corporate America and
   use this new tool to the  fullest.
        Larry's attitude towards us insignificant "fans " somehow seems
    fitting in respect to the selfish, shallow charaters of the show.
        With LD leaving the show, I'm curious as to what direction
   Jerry alone, (or with the new blood of another producer) will go.

Best Regards,

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