If it's just a TV show...

To everyone who has been saying "It's just a TV show, get over it" about Susan's death...then why are you in this newsgroup. Seinfeld is usually such a clever, well-written show that we comment not only on trivia but also on the seemless nature of the writing, etc.

The finale was not an example of good writing. People who really believe the show is about NOTHING have absolutely no sense of irony. Seinfeld routinely tackles in a humorous way some ver big issues. That's why "Chuckles the Clown" was funny on MTM- no sitcom had ever ealt with death in a humourous way before. And had Susan's death been humourous, I would say good riddance. But it wasn't funny. There is more to comedy than just pushing the envelope. You have to do it well. Susan's death seemed a callous afterthought, the characters' reactions completely off. I believe it is WAY too existential to say that the writers did it that way just to see what they could get away with. If the characters on Seinfeld didn't have some boundaries, the show owuld not be funny. Remember the orgy guy? How come Jerry is so obviously generous with his friends Kramer and George (albeit in subtle ways)? Remember his mom saying "Who wouldn't like Jerry?" Let's pretend Newman was somehow involved in getting Susan to the hospital. Upon hearing her death, Newman says "let's get some coffee." THAT would have been in character. George is a wimp. Despite the fact that he didn't want to be married, I think he might actually be emotional, feeling guilty for buying the cheap envelopes at least-- or, again more in character, fearing reprisals from her family for being so cheap. Wouldn't a good episode be George trying to hide from Susan's family WHY she died.

THEY BLEW IT! ADMIT IT!

If they wanted to push the envelope next year, they should just come on the season opener, admit they did it wrong, and do it over. Two versions of the story. THAT would be good.

Here's an idea: George and Jerry's car is hijacked by Kazan's and they are stranded on a strange planet with no way home...nevermind.

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----------snip---------- Evidently you feel that this show must be a serious part of one's life in order to be a member of this group. I think this and several other shows are great, but they are just TV shows. The point being made is how much do you let something on TV affect you? I laugh myself silly over this show, and enjoy reading the postings in this group, but if the show ended tomorrow I would have no problem getting on with my life. RD

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I don't think the issue is how much you let TV affect you. If the show ended tomorrow, I am sure most of the people in this group could move on with their lives with no problems.

The point is that sometimes a particular show will come out with something that is so lame and stupid that it has to be commented on. Yes, it is just TV but we watch these shows for entertainment and when something happens in the show that is lame/stupid/whatever you want to call it, the show loses some of its entertainment value.

You start expecting a lot from a show like Seinfeld. There have been some great episodes that have been well written and really funny. So when the show begins to lack something or goes off its usually path of witty well written material, people take notice.

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No............the issue on the original posting of this message was: if you think this is just a TV show why are you on this group? I said I like the show, and I like reading the comments about it. My questioning response to this is...does it have to mean more than just being a TV show for one to be on this group? How seriously do I have to take it? I think its a great show. Isn't that enough to allow me to participate? All TV shows are just TV shows, the outstanding ones, the good ones, the mediocre ones, and the awful ones. Respondents to my comments have deleted the first part of the thread, and then critiqued my response in a different context.

I see. Personally, I think that you should be allowed to participate in the discussion in this group. What more do people think the show is? To me, it is just a TV show that I really enjoy and that I like to talk about. That is why I am on this group. Are there other requirements for participation here? Do I have to build a shrine to Jerry and his friends or what?

People seem to forget here that even the best TV shows will have plot twists that they will not like or agree with. Don't tell me you won't be watching the season premiere anxiously to see what else they have to say about Susan's death. Don't you think the writers had this in mind? I doubt, though, that the writers expected deranged Susan fans to rant and impose death wishes upon them. If Susan _THE CHARACTER_'s death is really that devastating, one should check into therapy. Shelley, that last comment was not directed at you. I think a shrine to Susan _THE CHARACTER_ might be required! ;)

[email] (Sean Swindler) wrote

<<And had Susan's death been humourous, I would say good riddance. But it wasn't funny. There is more to comedy than just pushing the envelope.>>

An unfortunate turn of phrase. I hope you're not giving the eulogy at Susan's funeral.

touche. michael b.

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