Fans identify a recurring Black character appearing in The Friars Club episode as a lawyer resembling Johnnie Cochran who previously defended Kramer in a coffee-related lawsuit.
Hi! Does anybody know who the black guy in the Friar's Club episode is and has been in an episode before? Kramer's girlfriend calls him when she is about to get arrested for the attempted murder of Kramer because her men throw him into the Hudson River. He tells her that he doesn't want anything to do with Cosmo Kramer for some reason.
Thanks a lot!!!!
that man was a lawyer that was supposed to remind you of Johnnie Cochran. he was in the eipsode when cramer burned himself with the latte in the movie theater. it was also the episode with the meistro.
And I believe he's played by Philip Morris, who is the son of Greg Morris from "Mission Impossible."
That's Jackie the Lawyer, and he defended Kram in the now landmark case of Kramer v. Coffee Express (somebodey help me with the name here), which Cosmo promptly blundered.
//Ralph
In article , [email] (Bob) wrote:
-> Hi! Does anybody know who the black guy in the Friar's Club episode is and -> has been in an episode before? Kramer's girlfriend calls him when she is -> about to get arrested for the attempted murder of Kramer because her men throw -> him into the Hudson River. He tells her that he doesn't want anything to do -> with Cosmo Kramer for some reason. -> -> Thanks a lot!!!! -> -- -> [email]
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I don't know what his real name is, but in one episode, Kramer sneaks a latte into a movie theater and ends up spilling it on himself. Kramer then sues the coffee stand in a later episode for making the latte too hot.
The black guy is the lawyer who defended Kramer in the lawsuit. It parodies Cochran, from the OJ Simpson trial, and the lady who spilled coffee on herself at McDonald's a couple years ago. At least that's what I remember.
-chance :)
think he represented Kramer also in a suit against a candy bar fortune heiress although the details escape right now. The lawyer is an obvious Mr. Johnny take off.
his name was Jackie Childs in the show...i am not sure of his real name <i think>
He was also Kramer's lawyer in the case against the candy bar hieress who, by wearing her bra on the outside, distracted Kramer and causing him to crash George's car.
Hey, does any one else think that Kramer's lawyer is hillarious? I only hope they come up with new plot's for him.
BTW who do you think would make the best character for a spin-off show in a post-seinfeld world? My personal choice would be Kramer. Maybe he could move to Arizona and get a job as a waiter in a small diner with an annoying waitress with red hair ... well maybe not!
But don't you think the Kramer Komedy Hour would be a scream?
Matthew Kurtz wrote:
Probably not. Kramer is perfect as support, and Michael Richards deserves his own show, but it would be too slapstick. Of course, something like an odd couple thing with a Frasier Crane-type character (who would probably have to be played by some already well-known comedian) and the K-Man could be great.
TMars
I'm really worried about spin offs - I can't remember any spin offs that were successes (although I am sure there were some). It would just be a really sad ending to Seinfeld to have some bad spin-offs.
Ya ever heard of a little show called "Frasier"? That is a rather successful spinoff I would say.
Brian
be wrong);) -Michael
There have been a few successful spin-offs. You just probably didn't realize they were spin-offs.
For instance:
The Jeffersons (All in the Family) Rhoda (The Mary Tyler Moore Show) A Different World (The Cosby Show)
You could even consider The Simpsons a spinoff since the characters first appeared on the Tracy Ullman Show.
There are probably lots more, but of course I can't think of them when I want to.
Michelle
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On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Michael Micallef wrote:
I'd have to say that Laverne and Shirley turned out to be a pretty successful spinoff of Happy Days.
Terry responded to <unknown>
There have been some very successful spinoffs. I'm not sure how a Seinfeld spinoff would be, but I'd be willing to try it out.
Can you name the longest running spin-off? (answer below, in reverse)
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Can you name the longest running spin-off? (answer below, in reverse)
The Facts of Life, spun from Diff'rent Strokes
What about "The Jeffersons", that ran from 1975-1985. Fact Of Life only ran from 1979-1988. (The Jeffersons spun off of All in the Family)
On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Terry wrote:
In defense of spin-offs. I think Frasier is better than Cheers.
If a spin-off is well written and finds its own theme (or perhaps lack thereof) it can do quite well.
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What exactly is a spin-off? I'd say it's where a series is essentially continuing but under a slightly different theme with some of the same main characters. Like "All in the Family" and "Archie's Place." Definitely a spin-off. I think there was a another failed attempt at a spin-off with M*A*S*H. Can't remember the name, but Harry Morgan and Jamie Farr were in it. Also main characters. "Battlestar Galactica" and "Galactica 1980" is another example (bad, though it may be!). I think most spin-offs tend to fail. Can anyone think of others?
In the case of Frasier, what makes it a success is the combination of acting, writing, and clever theme. I think it's rather difficult to say it's a spin-off, because all it has in common with the former series is one character, who only had a supporting role in the former. But Frasier is successful. I don't think The John Laroquette Show is a spin-off either. John is essentially Dan Fielding transplanted from Night Court, now a bus station manager. But that's a difficult theme to play on, and so the show is doing only fair. Conversely, Night Court did well--very easy comedy. A court room is just chocked full of potential. How many times can you play jokes off of people in a bus terminal?
If Kramer's hypothetical show was like a continuation of Seinfeld (e.g. he moved away and is the main character in a different cast, focused on the same kind of comedy) it would probably flop. It might be a success if the Kramer character was placed in a very different theme. Perhaps something like a focus on Kramer's entrepreneurial escapades, always trying a new angle to make money. But this sounds A LOT like a other sitcoms that have aired in the past. I'd rather see this actor move onto something else, develop a new character instead.
-Gary K.
[email] (Gary Kline) wrote:
Unfortunately, Gary, this time you're wrong. I don't know where you got your definition of spin-off. A 'spin-off' is a series whose main character was featured in another series. In essence, the new show was 'spun' off the the old show. To use your own example, 'All in the Family' was the source of several spin-offs: 'The Jeffersons', 'Maude', and one with Sally Struthers (don't remember what it was called). After everyone left the show except Jean and Carroll it wasn't the same show anymore. It certainly wasn't All in the 'Family' so they gave Archie a tavern and renamed the show 'Archies Place.
I don't remember the name either, but I remember not watching it. I think Gary Burgough was in it to. However, that series was made after the 'M*A*S*H' series ended so I'm not sure if it qualifies, technically, as a spin-off. It's more like a sequel.
I can't comment on these series'. It sounds like an attempt to save a dying show or a sequel.
Besides the ones I mentioned earlier, 'Good Times' was a spin-off from 'Maude'; 'Laverne and Shirley' and 'Mork and Mindy' spun-off of 'Happy Days';
That's exactly why it is a spin-off.
You're right it's not a spin-off. But in 'The John Larroquette Show' John is NOT essentially Dan Fielding the District Attorney, he is John Hemmingway the recovering alcoholic bus station manager.
Of course you don't have to believe me. Ask around. I'm sure you'll get different answers as to what a spin-off is, but an overwhelming majority of them will probably concur that it is a new series which stars a supporting character from onother series.
Monty
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=======================================================================Hello? What about "Friends" the names may have changed, but wouldn't you have to say the Seinfeld's ex-"wife"'s show about a single woman and her "crowd" in NYC is kind of close to a spin off the Seinfeld scenario?
Hello? What about "Friends" the names may have changed, but wouldn't you have to say the Seinfeld's ex-"wife"'s show about a single woman and her "crowd" in NYC is kind of close to a spin off the Seinfeld scenario?
A poster up above said that they couldn't recall any successful spin- off's, hello? Fraiser! I don't think that there should be any Seinfeld spin-off's, because no one character could carry it, for me, the show's success is all in the interactions between characters. C.M.S.
I'm not sure what I would think, guess I'd have to see it. Did anyone see Entertainment Tonight a few weeks ago? In it they say there might be plans for JLD to do a spin-off. They weren't sure if any other characters would go with it.
Mike
In a previous article, [email] (AJ) says:
Friends is hardly a spin-off -- a rip-off, maybe, of the Seinfeld model. (Just kidding; I kid because I love).
But successful spin-offs. Not many I can think of, but one comes quickly to mind. Frasier! Anal-retentive shrink moves from Beantown to Seattle to host a radio show. Heard of it?? 8-)
Mike
You kids have no sense of TV history. What about Maude and The Jeffersons, both successful spinoffs of All in the Family? What about Joanie Loves Chachi? (Only kidding.) Or Happy Days, for that matter, spun out of an episode of Love, American Style. And who could forget the McLean Stevenson Show? Well, that wasn't really a spinoff. More of a die-off. What about Rhoda, or Lou Grant, both spinoffs of Mary Tyler Moore?
Personally, I think a Kramer show would get pretty thin pretty quickly. It'd wind up being a showcase for his slapstick, which is hilarious in small doses, but the novelty wears with time and overexposure. Not sure an Elaine show would last long either, but it all comes down to the writing. If they have good writers, they can make about any stupid premise if not plausible, at least amusing.
"Enough with the bar already." George to George Wendt, The Trip II.
Bill Penrose
Or Petty Coat Junction, a spin-off of Beverly Hillbillies. But there was another one that I can't remember. Ran for years and years and was an unlikely spin-off of another series.
Very few clues. Does anyone know what I am not remembering. I sure don't.
Michael Redman wrote:
I'm sorry, but 'Pettycoat Junction' was not a spin-off of 'The Beverly Hillbillies'. 'Pettycoat Junction' first aired before 'The Bevely Hillbillies'. They may have been on during the same period for a while and Granny and the crew visited the Shady Rest in a Hillbillies episode, but this was after Kate and Uncle Joe had left the show (PJ). Sam Drucker, Steve (the pilot), a couple of the daughters, and maybe the train engineer and conductor were the only ones still on the show by then. The woman who played Kate on 'Pettycoat Junction' also played Jethro's mother in a few episodes of "The Beverly Hillbillies'. And Granny was smitten with Sam Drucker and he was on a couple of episodes.
Oops, I stand corrected -- shows what working from memory does.
Here's another one: Somewhere in that same foggy memory I think that the other series I was thinking of was The Andy Griffith Show, a spin-off from one episode of a Danny Thomas show. Probably Make Room For Daddy (were there other DT series?) Does anyone know if this is correct?
You are correct that The Andy Taylor character and Mayberry location did originate in an episode of the Danny Thomas show. Don't think that qualifies as a spinoff though because the Andy Taylor character was never a regular or semi-regular on the Danny Thomas show.
Green Acres starring Eddie Albert and Eva Gabor was a successful spinoff of Petticoat Junction (both were located in Hooterville) that aired for at least 5 years. Bea Benaderet, Edgar Buchanon and others from the Petticoat show (especially the actor who played Sam Drucker, the owner of the general store) often appeared in Green Acres episodes.
Michael Redman wrote:
I don't remember 'Make Room for Daddy' all that well, but if Andy Griffith played Andy Taylor on the show than it would be a spin-off. Like 'Gomer Pyle, USMC' is a spin-off of 'The Andy Griffith Show'.
Green Acres was a spin off of Petticoat Junction. Also both were on the air at the same time I think. Also Andy Griffith was a spinoff of Make Room for Daddy. Of course I`m too young to remember this when it was on but I read it somewhere.
Kim Liberman
Er...Beverly Hills 90210 ---> Melrose?
"Gomer Pyle, USMC" was a spinoff of the "Andy Griffith Show," and "G00d Times" was another successful spinoff of "All in the Family." "Happy Days" also spun off "Mork & Mindy" and "Laverne & Shirley." oh, and who can forget Archie Bunker's old ex-neighbors, "The Jeffersons?" and i watched ALL this crud, and am now insane.
Alison deNu wrote:
Actually, Alison, 'Good Times' was a spin-off of 'Maude' which was a spin-off of 'All in the Family'. Although, I do seem to recall that John Amos (played Florida's husband) worked with Archie at the loading dock. But then, Florida was the Maude's maid before 'Good Times'.
But we digress. Now, which 'Seinfeld' character do you think would have the most successful spin-off series, Elaine, George, Kramer, Newman, or the parents?
Monty
How about Laverne & Shirley? That was a #1 show spun off of Happy Days.
Speaking of spinoffs, how about Family Matters, which spun off of Perfect Strangers, or Trapper John, M.D., which was a M.A.S.H. Spinoff. Mork & Mindy also got started with Happy Days, and Frasier is a successful spinoff off Cheers. Oh yes, can't forget the Facts of Life, which was a spinoff of Diff'rent Strokes. The list goes on and on...
Rob
Hello? What about "Friends" the names may have changed, but wouldn't you have to say the Seinfeld's ex-"wife"'s show about a single woman and her "crowd" in NYC is kind of close to a spin off the Seinfeld scenario?
Can you say "Jeffersons"? I think that was a pretty successful spinoff. How about "Laverne and Shirley" or "Mork & Mindy" :)
Fred
Terry wrote:
Get ready. Somebody already metioned that the most successful spin-off on television was 'The Jeffersons' which was a spin off from 'All In The Family'. 'Maude' was also a fairly successful spin-off from AITF. 'Good Times' was a spin-off from 'Maude' and was relatively successful. You may not have liked any of these shows, but they all enjoyed at least a moderate amount of success. Then there was 'Benson' from 'Soap', 'Laverne and Shirley' from 'Happy Days', and 'Trapper John, M.D' from 'M*A*S*H'.
I know that Robin Williams made a cameo appearance on 'Happy Days' as Mork before 'Mork and Mindy' was created, but I'm not sure whether that would be considered a spin-off.
There have been some real duds, too. 'Joanie Loves Chachi' comes to mind.
Monty
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On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Terry wrote:
He was not only Kramer's lawyer in the case for the candy bar but he was also the lawyer who represented Kramer in the hot coffe incident. I think that the lawyer was sick of him by then after Kramer screwing up both of them. That's why he didn't take the case.
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the black Lawyer who is, by the way, the look alike/act alike of the the right rev. Johnnie Cochran
I believe his name is Jackie Charles
[email] (DoctorFury) wrote:
Before that he was Kramer's lawyer against Java World. His name is Jackie Chiles.
TMars