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Hi,

I'd like to say hello.

I hated Seinfeld, absolutely hated it. I couldn't watch it. I understood how it never took off here in Europe. So unfunny, and that annoying cheesy music. For years I avoided it.

A few months ago, however, I found myself watching a few episodes, and having watched a few episodes I started to get into it. I think now it isn't a show you can like straight off, you must ease in. Now, I am almost a wreck. I get fed one episode a day on Paramount, week days only. It;s the only TV show I like and I get 2 1/2 hours a week. Paramount has also been rather haphazard in how it showed the series recently, jumping through the last few seasons before starting on 9 and even now they have skipped a few.

TV 3 here in Ireland was showing about 4 a week from years earlier, about '92 to '94 which seems a good vintage, what with the magic loogie last week. Ive seen a decent selection of years now but I have well over a hundred episodes left to see which is great.

I want to ask you knowing folk when "the change" came about in Seinfeld? what season? When did it start becoming more silly?

I must say watching The Dealership and The Strike this week I'm starting to dislike the formerly brilliant George, all he does is get worked up, scream and run out of the room. Jerry seems to have lost his edge too but nothing like what has happened to George. He even seems different to George in say, The Summer of George.

Anyway, it's a great show. My entertainment light these past months.

"Michael Cummins" wrote in message news:J%dC8.12487$[email]...

I noticed there seem to be two eras in SEINFELD.

In the beginning, it really was "a show about nothing", where an entire episode might be devoted to waiting for a table at a Chinese restaurant, or losing your car in the parking garage, or whatever.

Later seasons however did more of a madcap I Love Lucy thing where the characters would get into progressively stranger improbable situations.... usually three wacky seemingly completely separate subplots that somehow neatly dovetail at the end.

At the point where George is pretending to be a marine biologist, offscreen apparently clambering onto a beached whale to pull a golfball from his blowhole, I think you can safely say these aren't situations the average New Yorker finds himself in, and I don't think that qualifies as "nothing."

I myself don't think the show ever really "jumped the shark", but I'm sure many fans will disagree.

Certain episodes, like there was one where, sight unseen, a suicide leaper jumps from the roof of a hospital and hits George's car, I think probably show a low point in the series.....

Also, the series finale puts forth that these are 4 really horrible people who are completely selfish. That might be the cumulative effect, but I don't know that early individual episodes really bear that out.

Algomeysa wrote in message news:abc0lh$oav$[email]...

Jerry was giving us, the show's fans, a message of some kind, do you agree? Could he have been saying, "You love us, but only on the mirage of TV. If these characters were real people, you would absolutely loathe them."?

Marlon V

"Michael Cummins" wrote in message news:J%dC8.12487$[email]...

few.

I think you got skinned like I did - for ages Paramount was showing it week nights only but last Monday when I noted apparently 2 eps had been skipped I checked the TV guide and found out they had been shown on Saturday and Sunday.

<<I want to ask you knowing folk when "the change" came about in Seinfeld? what season? When did it start becoming more silly?>>

Season 8.

I'm from Ireland too - *and* I used to hate Seinfeld for ages - only got into it a couple of years ago. So welcome.

-TF

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Damn, same happened to me. Two episodes, one The Betrayl which I've been dying to see.

Paramount, those bastards.

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I also experienced this - but, I believe they're going to repeat season 9 straight after these 'first showings'... can't wait.

"Michael Cummins" wrote in message news:lEhC8.12539$[email]...

skipped

Snap absolutely! It annoys me enough seeing eps out of sequence. But The Betrayal for me was one I particularly was annoyed at missing. I just cannot wait until they're all out on dvd and I don't need to worry about the unpredictable vicissitudes of Paramount any more.

-TF

Michael Cummins wrote:

When Larry David left. Very few episodes in the post-David era are up to the level of the earlier shows.

Precisely.

Overall, absolutely.

Andy MacAskill wrote in message news:...

Recently, I took on 'the seinfeld project' (which being unemployed was mighty helpful)that had me downloading every episode off of kazaa lite and watching them in order since this is impossible through syndication (7 days, 180 episodes). I always liked the show but had never seen all of them nor did I realize why I had enjoyed at the time so much at the time. I wasn't a diehard fan before (Not many of my friends actually enjoyed watching it at the time it was on--so no weekly get togethers were had), but now I believe I am. I adore this show and I was so sad watching the final at the end of 7 days (I wanted more, of course;)

While watching them all there is a noticable change in content and characterization but really, I don't think I expected something different--meaning they were not going to learn som huge lesson and become 'decent' people. All 4 get more debasing and pretty intolerant toward the ending seasons. They simply grew more demented in their worldview bubble. How often does a series become so good with unlikable characters? This one managed it great.