I've been surprised at how lukewarm the reception to CYE has been on this newsgroup. It almost seems as if some feel the need to knock CYE in support of Seinfeld... or that you can't appreciate both shows. I think the improvisational, no laughtrack, "realistic" approach strikes many as amateurish. To each his own, but come on people, there are so many terrible comedies on TV right now, and maybe to you, no show will ever be as good as Seinfeld was. Still, here we have the co-creator of Seinfeld with as uccessful, funny (doesn't it make you laugh at all?) show and reading these posts, this might as well be the "Will and Grace" newsgroup or something.Seinfeld was just as formulaic in its own way. CYE is as much about the situations and the interactions between the characters as it is about the plotlines. I happen to think CYE is funnier, and I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, but lighten up! This is like kicking your kid brother in the groin here. Since Seinfeld ended, where else have you been able to see Alexander and Louis-Dreyfuss in a comedy other than their own network mishaps? And when did Larry ever say he was trying to "outdo" Seinfeld or George Costanza? I guess I'll have to stick to the HBO site for interesting discussions of Larry's show. That is a shame.
I think CYE is show worthy of praise. However I abandoned watching the show in the middle of the 2nd season because I simply could not stand the dominate presence of Larry David's (George Costansa's) personality. I simply could not take the petty and neurotic behavior of Larry David that took simple and easily avoided conflicts and blew them up into major problems. I look at it as the same type of problem with ALL of the former characters attempts at their own shows.- NO Balance- TOO much Richards in his short lived show. Was Ellie ever really off the screen or completely clothed in Julia's sitcom attempt? I just feel that these shows did not learn one of the major lessons of SEINFELD that gave viewers a balance of characters. Even though it was Jerry's show. he was not constantly the dominate focus of each show. I also think that the fact that CYE is on cable (HBO) limits it's abillity to "take off" with the general public. I'm not currently aware of cable household numbers, I believe that network (free) tv is still ahead.
George was by far my favorite character in Seinfeld. All my favorite episodes of Seinfeld feature George heavily. CYE was refreshing to me because I felt that it was undiluted by elements like "Kramer slapstick" that were less funny to me. So I guess it's largely a matter of taste.
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If this show tried to be another "democratic" ensemble show, it would be dismissed even more as a "copycat" of Seinfeld. This show has more in common with Fawlty Towers than Seinfeld in terms of character dynamics.
I very much disagree with this. The secondary characters on "Seinfeld" were richly developed and hysterically funny in and of themselves. Cheryl and Jeff are foils for Larry's rants on CYE and they're not funny at all. The funny non- Larry characters on CYE (eg Susie) are like the funny tertiary characters on "Seinfeld" (eg George's and Jerry's folks).
So that whole ensemble of four strong characters is missing from CYE. Of those four I probably get the most laughs from George but I really get off on the synergy between the castmembers. All four of them are brilliant IMO... and...! I think JA does LD better than LD.
Ive been downloading the episdoes from the newsgroup as I am in the UK and I am loving it. It took me a few eps to get into it but some of them have killed me!
"dvakman" wrote in message news:ZVMD9.10270$[email]...
I think I've been about the only poster knocking CYE. Most people, among posters here and critics, seem to love it so that puts me in the minority.
I watch it for three reasons: I'm predisposed towards HBO shows 'cause I think they're the best series now on TV; it was an interesting, if not LOL funny, show last season; I'm a big "Seinfeld" fan so I wanna see what LD is up to. Because of that last reason it's very natural to compare it with "Seinfeld" and I think it's interesting to consider how CYE fails, IMO, while "Seinfeld" was probably the funniest sitcom ever.
Again, I'm probably the only one 'round these parts who called the show amateurish. The scene where Larry and Jeff Garlin were riffing on the word "ascertain" seemed amateurish to me because they were playing it for the camera and seemed a little too pleased with their cuteness. It's true that Seinfeld would often smile to himself on his show but there it wasn't too much of a distraction, it was sorta amusing in itself really, and I'm not sure why. Maybe you're right, indirectly; maybe it's because they're attempting a verite style and any self-consciousness or theatricality on the part of the actors is thrown into relief. Larry and Jeff aren't good actors! They say that a lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client. Maybe a producer who plays himself has a fool for a casting director.
Also, there was so much impossible stuff going on in that season closer that it just put me off. Usually CYE episodes have Larry getting into trouble over some social convention or something and it worked for a while but... firing a chef because it turns out he wears a toupee? Getting into a fight with the nativity models over something trivial in the previous episode? It's just plain stupid and what our buddy Roger Ebert would call an "idiot plot". One of the big complaints that Larry boosters have with seasons 8 & 9 is that the post- LD shows aren't grounded in reality. Well now CYE's not grounded in reality but where are the complaints? I guess I do have an agenda because some of you folks' attempts to turn Larry David into the Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed of "Seinfeld" gets my contrary streak working. Again, I have a ton of respect for what LD did for the funniest sitcom ever but he doesn't walk on water, please!
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I think you're taking this too personally. Comparing this show with "Seinfeld" is freaking inevitable! You can't get around it any more than you can avoid comparing Wings or the Plastic Ono Band with the Beatles. And to compound matters, Larry faces all this head on. He's constantly being identified with "Seinfeld" and he spent all of season 2 trying to get shows off the ground with Jason and Julia. Does it make me laugh? No and most of my posts about CYE are musings on why I don't find it amusing. Last season it was very clever (the way they brought in Mike Binder was sorta fascinating and the show where JLD wanted to work with HBO so she could say "f*ck" and then some HBO exec's later got all upset because LD said "c*nt" was a kick) and I like the way he takes on PCness but it never makes me laugh! Maybe I'm a dumb sheep who needs the Pavlovian bell of a laugh track but I doubt it. I saw "Something About Mary" in an empty theatre and nearly died laughing.
Again, comparisons are inevitable. Particularly when one of the best CYE episodes had JA bitching about how he hated being associated with that loser Costanza, consequently hurting Larry's feelings. I would hope that he's trying to outdo "Seinfeld". Folks don't get that successful being slackers.
C'mon dvakman! Are you that fascistic that you can't gain anything from contrary opinions? Is this group a mutual Larry David admiration society? I think I've done a decent job explaining my reaction to CYE. I'm sorry you don't find it interesting.
<< Also, there was so much impossible stuff going on in that season closer that it just put me off. <snip>Well now CYE's not grounded in reality but where are the complaints? >>
You're comparing apples and oranges. As I said in my post, the verite style that CYE's adopted makes the phoniness stand out. I wouldn't mind if the absurdlity of what's supposed to be a hand written lotto number resembling a death camp tattoo produced a laugh but it didn't. And Larry's bull-headedness isn't funny in this episode either. That Larry would stupidly fire the bald chef at the last minute so that they'd be pressed to find a Tourette's Syndrome chef is the kind of irritating contrivance you get on crap sitcoms.
When it comes to verisimilitude, funny can justify a sh'load of absurdity. Sorry, but IMO this episode wasn't funny.
"stevehoran" wrote in message news:X3QD9.24882$[email]...
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Per your example, I don't see how Larry firing a man who blatantly lied to him constitutes a departure from reality.
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I suspected that you had a chip on your shoulder concerning Larry David. Sorry if that has resulted in your enjoying the show less.
Nothing wrong with comparing, but I've sensed relative indifference here or just a few discussions where people knock the shows. Maybe that's because a lot of people just don't have HBO.
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Again, I was referring to the overall lack of interest in the show here based on the limited number of postings on it, a number of which have been negative. But again, maybe a lot of people don't have HBO or would rather just stick to discussing Seinfeld. Fair enough.
"dvakman" wrote in message news:cPQD9.10802$[email]...
All I can say is that, as I watched that scene, I just had this cringing feeling of inevitability. Like watching Laverne or Shirley get behind the wheel of a forklift. Would he really be that crazy that he'd fire a chef a couple of days before the opening?
Yes and no. When I post here I do have an agenda, as I admitted. But I do react honestly, free of prejudice, when I watch the show. I had my brother over at my house and we watched the ep where Larry says "F*ck Hugh" to Tim Kazurinsky and I was glad that he found it funny. I was laughing too. I also thought the Krazy Eyez Killa episode was LOL funny. So I have to correct what I said in that previous post. I have laughed.
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I'm honestly a David fan! I love "Seinfeld" and he's responsible for a big chunk of that show's brilliance! My only agenda is a reaction against those who seem to worship the dude.
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I dunno, this seems to be a pretty lively thread. I checked out the HBO BB and that group is a little too sanguine, IMO.
Well, you did say "I guess I'll have to stick to the HBO site for interesting discussions of Larry's show" and not "I guess I'll have to stick to the HBO site for *interested* discussions of Larry's show" :-)
"stevehoran" wrote in message news:F8RD9.24922$[email]...
I thought the "Nanny From Hell" episode you're referring to was the weakest of the season. So maybe you have a sense of humor that is different than the average diehard CYE fan. I didnt find "Something About Mary" particularly funny either.
"stevehoran" wrote in message news:X3QD9.24882$[email]...
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I still think that you just can't get past the improvisational nature of the show. I think that the characters are hardly "acting" at all... that is the point. The written and perfectly performed dialogue and laugh track can be found in almost every other sitcom on the planet, if that's what you're looking for...
"dvakman" wrote in message news:ykRD9.10813$[email]...
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Well I think Larry and Jeff can't get past the improvisational nature of the show 'cause they're lousy at it. Again, during that "muck and mire/ascertain" scene they seemed like kids playing "let's pretend".
Now that I agree with.
Now I'm no actor but, from my sketchy knowledge on the subject, sometimes it takes plenty of rehearsal to get it to seem real, to get it to click. The conversations between Jeff & Larry where Larry will toy with words (eg <pp> "Where's the mire? You mentioned muck, well that usually goes with mire so where's the mire?") are similar to conversations between Jerry & George (eg <pp> "I am speechless. I am without speech!") but because JA is a better, better rehearsed actor, it worked better on "Seinfeld". Improvisation schmimprovisation, both shows are using the same kinda conversational schtick to go after the same end result: laughter. By now we know whom I think better succeed at achieving this end :-)
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Well you seem to have adopted a hard No Slapstick Policy. I pretty much agree with you but I'll make exceptions when it's well done: I think the Kramer stuff is great and I much enjoyed the Matt Dylon/ dog scene in SAM.
Also: "She's about a deuce, a deuce and a half."
Anyway, this stuff is subjective but I enjoy hashing it out. It's been fun dvakman but I gotta grab me some grub...
The problem with improvising things is that it becomes repetitive, the actors run into the problem of "okay what am I going to do today that I have't done before" syndrome. And if they cant think of anything revert back to what worked well before. Actors are used to acting, not thinking up the dialouge on the spot. I think it makes their job harder, and hurts the end product, especially as the series progresses. We all know Larry can write amazing scripts that follow strict dialouge and direction. Read through the First and Second Season Script book and you will see he is very good at it.
"stevehoran" wrote in message news:X3QD9.24882$[email]...
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First off, CYE is NOT Seinfeld Redux-- it is an entirely different show, with only one thing in common with the other-- Larry David. Why do the shows need to be compared at all? One show was an ensemble comedy while the other is clearly about one person! Your strainings seem weak to me.
Now, I would be more impressed if your reasons for not liking the show were NOT in relation to Seinfeld. Yet, and others have raised this point, you obviously continue to watch the damn thing. Could it be, just maybe, you kinda like the show but do not want to admit it because it would interfere with your other argument (that LD got too much credit for the success of "Seinfeld")? I think so, as you have continually strained to try and make that point (and rarely able to satisfactorily address my points as I raised them-- but then, that revolves around different tastes more than anything objective, so that can forgiven to a point). Although, honestly, I have raised the point about season 8 & 9 scripts being totally different from earlier ones time and again and you have never bothered to rebut that, which has always been the crux here.
You know what? CYE isn't as good as Seinfeld, and it never will be, because the scripts aren't crafted- it's a different concept, and the only legitimate way to look at the show is whether it works on its own terms, as an improvised comedic show. THE ACTORS ARE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG. To say that so-and-so isn't a good actor is a silly argument here; rather, is he or she a good improviser. Now, LD is actually not bad, but, IMHO Richard Lewis sucks at improv, and Cheryl Hines ain't great either.
So, in summary, at least argue the right points, at least talk about the show ON ITS OWN TERMS, not in comparison to a show that has only a tangential relationship to it and maybe you will get the respect you seem to crave here.
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But I already explained all that in the post to which you responded - and in others.
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Well, I have said that I kinda like the show though I think this season was pretty redundant.
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But I thought I had, repeatedly. Craig, your assertion seems the tougher to defend since you're saying it was like two different shows between seasons 7 & 8. All I'm saying is that the trend towards seasons 8 & 9 began earlier and you even agreed that there was a drop off in quality in season 7 (going on the assumption that the early shows were better than the later, silly shows but that's a judgement call). The bits of unreality and silliness that have been attacked in the later shows began earlier than season 8.
To cite an example I used in earlier posts, "The Bottle Deposit" wouldn't have been out of place in either of the last two seasons. "The Barber" from.... what?, season 6?, was purely an exercise in silliness - not necessarily a bad thing!
And when you say "rebut", you make it sound like we're in a court of law. How can you rebut opinions?
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But it's still acting. Anyway, that's an argument in semantics that I responded to in a different post.
Let me pose a question to you: if CYE will never be as good as "Seinfeld" because of a built-in limitation with its improvised approach, why don't they just chuck it and start scripting the shows? Is there an advantage with keeping it improvised?
Another issue is that the show's narrative is not improvised, right? I would imagine that each scene is given a starting point and a stopping point so that the scenes can be strung together as pieces of the story and, further, that the scenes are rehearsed. As the scenes are rehearsed they're less and less improv. I'm just guessing here, you can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Tangential relationship? But you guys are the ones who credit LD as pretty much the auteur of "Seinfeld". There are plenty of reasons to compare the shows. Aside from others I've already given, it's just plain interesting. To me it is at least. Perhaps it's unfair to compare CYE to "Seinfeld" since the latter show raised the bar so high. It was similarly unfair to compare Wings with the Beatles but that didn't stop anybody.
As far as respect goes, I just never seem to convince anybody of anything on Usenet. But I suppose that's fair since no one ever changes my mind either :-) I don't crave respect but I think I'm entitled to it since I treat others, yourself included, with respect.
"stevehoran" wrote in message news:METD9.25632$[email]...
The improvisational aspect of the show is not a limitation... it is a strength. You seem to not appreciate this kind of humor. I always wondered how a Christopher Guest style of directing a sitcom might play out and I think the approach is a big part of what makes the show so unique...
1. The dialogue is NOT perfectly delivered... it overlaps... there is a richness that results. You can watch episodes many times and still pick up bits of dialogue that you had missed before.
2. Because the cast is improvising, off-the-cuff, random remarks are made that would never work in a scripted sitcom, but they are peppered throughout CYE and add immensely to the enjoyment of the show (for some of us).
3. The scenes are less rehearsed than you think, Steve. Usually, Larry only gives the other actors the bare minimum of information they need going into a scene, and Larry is the only one who knows what is about to happen. They often use the first takes in the final cut of an episode, and the other actors are genuinely amused or surprised at what Larry is telling them. I think it's a fascinating approach.
I think we can all agree that Larry's show is not for everyone. But I still think that there are people who tune in to the show expecting these great zingers or catchphrases to emerge in the dialogue. That's how most sitcoms are. However, CYE is actually even less "punchline based" than Seinfeld was. The humor often rises out of the absurdity of a given situation or the humiliation / conflict that Larry experiences on a daily basis. The pacing is very different, and the comedy tends to be more of the subtle variety. The dry delivery and primitive approach almost give you the perspective of a "comedy spy" deriving amusement from the embarassing situations that emerge. That, combined with the great scenarios that Larry devises, and his fascinatingly odd code of conduct he applies to other people, add up to a highly enjoyable show that, when it is at its best, I find funnier than Seinfeld. I'm not trolling here, and I'm sure I'm in a minority. But maybe that gives you a perspective of why I enjoy the show so much.
One thing I wanted to add. The way that "classic" sitcoms are devised, there is a "layer of unreality" between the show and the audience. Usually, there is a laugh track (which I utterly, utterly despise but I'll avoid that digression), and the dialogue is perfectly formed with very little overlap, becuase it is scripted. Now, in real life, there are overlaps, stops, and stutters in every conversation and obviously no laugh track. So when you're watching a sitcom like Seinfeld, as funny as it is, you still subconsciously know that you're watching a show, mostly on a stage, in front of an audience. Now, I loved Seinfeld to death and I think it worked just fine with this format. As far as classic sitcoms go, only "Fawlty Towers" is superior to Seinfeld in my mind (and that is meant as a compliment). But for CYE, the layer of unreality is gone, and I find that very refreshing. Since Larry's trademark has been to find humor in the minutiae of every day life, what better way than to strip away all convention, and give viewers a fly-on-the-wall perspective of Larry, simply as "himself", as he stumbles through life?
While the layer of unreality is gone, the content (in the last season) is unrealistic.
-A Chef writes his lotto numbers on his arm like an id tatto al la the Nazi concentration camps?!?!?
-Larry is willing to leave his wife to die because there might be a terrorist threat, which everyone actually believes for some reason. BUT Cheryl, who belives in the truth of the threat, wants to STAY for the fundraiser diner. Um no.
-Larry's mom is moved to the prisoner section of the cemetary with no notification to the family, and then Larry digs his own mother up to move her back....
If I liked these ideas, I would also like season 8-9 of Seinfeld.
"Byron" wrote in message news:a2%D9.870853$[email]...
Regarding the last post, you're confusing my discussion of the style of the show with the content. Whatever, I still think your analogy was faulty, so here we go...
Nazi concentration camps?!?!?
That was not meant to be a joke in and of itself, rather Larry's misinterpretation of it, which had prevented him from firing the chef. I still don't get how this is any weirder than the plot devices Seinfeld often used for the last 7 seasons of its run (see later).
terrorist threat, which everyone actually believes for some reason. BUT Cheryl, who belives in the truth of the threat, wants to STAY for the fundraiser diner. Um no.
Because it was a non-specific threat, and the benefit was a big commitment on Cheryl's part (the NRDC is her life's work when she's not busy trying to love Larry). Larry, on the other hand, is a coward and doesn't regard any commitment over his personal well-being. I understood the characters and it made perfect sense to me (and others I knew who had watched the show from the beginning). Also, it was a very funny episode! One of my favorites from the season along with the finale you referred to above.
notification to the family, and then Larry digs his own mother up to move her back....
WRONG. This wasn't one of my favorite eps this season because it was too far fetched, but you're still wrong. If you watch the episode, Larry's father and cousin had been notified, but it was another detail they "hadn't bothered" to tell Larry. There was a whole discussion about this on the show. I can tell you're really watching them closely in making your astute analyses.
Change that to seasons 3-9 and I'll talk. Seinfeld started the fantastic plotlines (still grounded in reality) pretty early on. The Magic Loogie? The library cop? A Woody Allen film interrupted by George's car moving enterprise? A limo going to a Nazi convention? Kramer's adventures in L.A. (on Murphy Brown)? That is just season 3. I could go on and on...
The difference with seasons 8 and 9 (and 6 and 7 were moving in that direction) in Seinfeld was that the shows just took off and were even less grounded in reality than before. The style of CYE makes the fantastic elements seem even more fantastic because they are so grounded in reality by the cinema verite style. Guess you don't enjoy it. There are always the butchered Seinfeld reruns on TBS!
This can be done to the Nth degree with Seinfeld. Moreso than CYE. Why do you think people are here 5 years(?) after the show ended?
After watching the each ep 100 times, I often don't even watch the speaker but the other characters that are listening to the speaker. You will see people laughing, especially Jerry. Watch Newman when he has a coniption in Jerry's door way, Jerry's back is to the camera but you can tell his whole body is shaking uncontrollably from laughter.
NS: Are the first takes usually the best?
RW: It varies. Sometimes the first take really sings because everything is fresh and no one's trying to replicate what they did before. Sometimes it's take six before we even have a clue as to what the hell we're doing. By take eight, we'll have it down pretty well, then I'll go in for coverage. I think the record number of takes was in the thirties, but that was an especially complicated scene. That number includes pick-ups and reaction shots, too.
Cye is punchline based show in itself. Which is really cool. The whole show will build up to the last scene which acts as the punchline to the entire episode.
"Byron" wrote in message news:DU_D9.16968$[email]...
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Dude, I'm not knocking the acting on Seinfeld! Jeez, people here are so defensive about the show. Improvised dialogue overlaps and jumbles more than scripted dialogue, so a lot more dialogue is missed the first time around on CYE than Seinfeld. I didn't say the dialogue was inherently better.
Sure, there are always more things you can pick up on those shows too.
Right, I said they often use first takes. I've read that quote before.
I was thinking more about individual lines... I guess a resolving situation at the end could be called a "punchline", but that wasn't the point I was trying to make anyway. The dialogue has less "zingers" than you would get in the script of a normal sitcom.
"stevehoran" wrote in message news:METD9.25632$[email]...
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Well two points-- one, I wrote my initial post before some of your other posts came through, so, yes, it is true you covered some of these points earlier-- I just had not seen them yet.
As to the second, I am just trying to get you to focus on the fact that this show is NOT Seinfeld and is not intended to be such-- judge it on its own merits. I personally like the show, and more because of its subversive undertones than the acting or anything else, but that's just my opinion.
But, it is such a different form of sitcom from anything else that's currently on the air (or really ever has been on the air) due to its improvised nature, that I think the only proper way to examine it is on that basis. I have no doubt-- none-- that Larry David is a better writer than improviser, and if the show were scripted, instead of just outlined and the actors take over, that it might be much funnier, if only because I believe Larry David crafted some of the most clever dialogue ever created on TV, but that does not mean this show doesn't succeed on its own terms-- many fans an d critics agree with that.
I admit I have a different perspective from some others-- I used to do improv in my younger days and was trained at Second City, so I am acutely aware of what is being done and how well it is being done (and not all the actors do it well IMHO). But given that many of the shows are very funny, something is being done right, even if not all of these people are great impovisers. (Personally, I think Paul Dooley, whenever he's on the show, does a great job, LD does pretty good, Jeff Garlin and Cheryl Hines could both use more improv classes and Susie is hilarious, and if her lines aren't scripted then I never wanna meet her in a dark alley!). I am suggesting to you to always keep in mind THEY ARE MAKING IT UP and often times pulling it off-- it's not that easy a thing to do.
Finally, just to be redundant (he he), per seasons 8 & 9 (cuz I love this argument!), the difference I have tried to point out to you, and will try again, has to do with the "quality control" aspects of the later scripts. Whoever was story editor the last 2 seasons didn't even bother to ground those scripts in reality and rarely even bothered to keep things within the boundaries set within a particular show (in any dramatic situation, the "rules" must be set and then followed-- a good example of this were the Hammer studios Dracula movies. They always changed the vampire conventions to fit the plot, and there would always be a line of dialogue somewhere in the movie that said "Contrary to popular belief, a fire will not kill a vampire" so that a later seen, where we see Drac burning and living, makes sense for that particular movie). So, scripts had wildly varying tones from one scene to the next-- but that's because they were just going for laughs and didn't care, the craft that was so evident earlier was just gone, and it was sad (although David was clearly disinterested or losing it by season 7 as we both agree).
The first season of CYE and the first half of season two were brilliant. After that they have been mired in insane inconsistencies and contraditions which could never of happened in reality to the slightest degree. The reason you think the reaction is lukewarm is because you weren't here 3 years ago when CYE started.
CYE is formulaic. Larry finds something annoying with someone or something, and will eventually have to face that problem in a self-effacing or embarrasing situation because he wants a favor or something they have. This doesn't make the show bad, but you really have to follow some structure or we might as well be watching French film school shorts with bizzare dream sequences and rapid cuts to chickens being slaughtered.
CYE is a one man show with no comparable supporting cast. I like the concept but its not better than Seinfeld. Realistically it is hard to compare the two because of the differences in presentation, the content is edgier in CYE etc...
When did anyone say Larry was trying to outdo Seinfeld? The fact is he can't and doesn't want to. It is obvious he didn't set out to do another Seinfeld.
In other words "because people don't agree with me, their ideas are 'not interesting' and i will be returning to a place where my myopic vision can be appreciated."
"Byron" wrote in message news:dA_D9.16768$[email]...
I wasn't "here", but I've watched from the beginning! How could you possibly assume that!
I didn't say CYE didn't have a formula! When did I say that?
That is allowed in sitcoms, you know.
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But if one makes you laugh more than the other, then that says something. For you, it is Seinfeld. For me, it is CYE. So, case closed.
I was referring there to an assertion made by "steve" in an earlier post. I agree with you!
Nope. I was referring to the lack of discussion about the show on this NG, other than just knocking it. Sicne then, I've had some interesting discussions about the show with you and others, so I stand corrected. I am near sighted, BTW, but I wear contacts. ;)
"Byron" wrote in message news:dA_D9.16768$[email]...
I don't really see how the 2nd season changed in that way. In every season, there have been better episodes than others. In season 3, I didn't care much for "The Nanny From Hell" or "The Special Section", not for the so-called inconsistencies and contradictions you love to keep referring to, but because they weren't as funny. This is a comedy, not a documentary, and rather than continuing to watch it and analyzing to death why I shouldn't be liking it anymore, I'll watch until it doesn't make me laugh anymore and then I'll move on.