I'm new to this newsgroup, so I apologize if this has already been covered (I'm sure it has), but what female body part does Delores rhyme with anyway?
Mulva/Delores
S08E06 The FatiguesliveNov 4, 19964 days later41 posts by 22 posters
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Newsgroup members explain the anatomy joke behind Kramer's girlfriend's name Mulva/Delores from the episode, discussing the pronunciation and legitimate dictionary definitions.
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clitoris
clitoris
Mary wrote in article ...
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Mary, the female body part that rhymes with Delores is the clitoris. Note that there are two ways to pronounce the word, each listed in the dictionary, and both are perfectly acceptable.
Mary wrote:
I have been trying to figure that one out for a while.. thats one for the ages!
On 2 Dec 1996, Leslie Klein,Ph.D.,P.Eng. wrote:
Forgive me, ng readers, for posting this once again, but I remember many long hours (well, not really) trying to uncover this rhyme. So, for those of you who haven't gotten it yet: clitoris
Yeah, I know. You have to alter the pronunciation a little.
Sigh.
On 12/2/96 7:49PM, in message , djk wrote:
For the rhyme, you use the cli-tor'-is pronunciation. Sometimes people call it a clit'-oris. I call it the little tiny penis. Sometimes I call it Yukeinaka. It looks Japanese. Then I say mushy mushy. It likes that. Then it gets hard. Hard and big.
In article , [email] says...
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For the record, I found the joke pretty funny. However, there is one correct pronunciation of clitoris, and it the 2nd one you mentioned above. The one that actually does not rhyme w/ Delores.
[email] (Huckleberry) wrote:
Nope. You need a better dictionary. There are alternate pronunciations.
In article , [email] says...
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Actually, my dictionary is fine. I explained this already, and I guessed you missed it. My dictionary does list the less-accepted pronunciation as a possible pronunication. That's most likely because it has been mispronounced by so many that its alternate/incorrect pronunciation was deemed necessary to include in the dictionary.
The newest dictionaries include "U" as an alternate spelling for "you." (like artist f/k/a Prince likes to spell it) Does that make "U" a correct spelling for "you"? I would say no. If you say yes, then our discussion is over since we cannot agree on that foundation point.
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: Spelling and pronunciation are dialect and cultural specific. So U may be the correct spelling in some groups, the same groups that spell was as wuz. Among Jerry's friends Delores rhymes with a female body part. The dictionary is a guidebook, not the law on language, that is why it is continually updated.
Your foundation seems to be that change is wrong. That makes you wrong....
In article , [email] says...
That is true. However, CORRECT spelling and pronunciation are not usually.
Change is not wrong inherently. However, neither is change automatically correct. As I said earlier, if we cannot agree on whether "U" is a correct spelling for "you," then our discussion is over.
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Good point but just because "U" is incorrect now in academia and mainstream print doesn't mean it will never be. I watched an excellent program on PBS about research for dictionaries and how new words are included.(I have no Life) The dictionary research department samples written documents and press for new words or words that are used in a new way. that is how they get in there, so they are not so much correct as they are widely accepted.
By the way, I wouldn't spell you as "U" so we can end discussion.
In article , [email] says... -> Change is not wrong inherently, however, neither is change automatically -> correct. As I said earlier, if we cannot agree on whether "U" is a -> correct -> spelling for "you," then our discussion is over. -> ->Good point but just because "U" is incorrect now in academia and mainstream ->print doesn't mean it will never be.
Very true. Just like the pronunciation of "clitoris" that rhymes w/ "Delores" is presently incorrect. It may not be incorrect in the future some day, but at present, it is not considered correct among any professionals in the appropriate disciplines (sexologists, OB/GYNs, etc.).
[email] (Huckleberry) wrote:
I have seen BOTH PRONUNCIATIONS listed in dictionaries. And since dictionaries are revised in this way only after careful scrutiny, all we can do is accept it and move on.
Language is dynamic. We must go with the flow. Anyone who keeps insisting that there is onle ONE way to pronounce it must lighten up. You are WRONG -- there are always alternatives.
In article , [email] says... ->I have seen BOTH PRONUNCIATIONS listed in dictionaries. And since ->dictionaries are revised in this way only after careful scrutiny, all ->we can do is accept it and move on. -> ->Language is dynamic. We must go with the flow. Anyone who keeps ->insisting that there is onle ONE way to pronounce it must lighten up. ->You are WRONG -- there are always alternatives.
You must be joining this thread late. Not your fault. We have examined your "new" point already. Email me if you are interested in what was discussed. Other people don't need to hear it repeated.
"Delores"
but
: ....and no one on the show fits that description......
[email] (joro) wrote:
Perhaps one dictionary was an older version. I discovered that my dictionary was 25 years old, so I went out and bought a new one, 1996 edition. But I don't think I'll look it up -- I have been beaten up several times in this newsgroup (a few times on this subject) so I hesitate to express anything even remotely resembling an opinion.
Well, well, well, ladies...do we really know the female anatomy as well as we should?? Delores rhymes with clitoris (except they say it with an American accent so it sounds different). Glad to help out.
On 2 Dec 1996, Leslie Klein,Ph.D.,P.Eng. wrote:
In article , LISA BISHOP wrote:
If it SOUNDS different then it DOESN'T rhyme. Here we go again.
Here in the East, we say "cli-TOR-is" which does rhyme. However, in the West, and probably in Australia as well, they say, "CLIT-or-is". OK, let's stop talking about this. If I wanted clitorises, I would have gone to alt.sex. ^_^
[email] (Jeffrey Read) wrote:
Hey Jeff, thanks. I made a similar post (about how it's pronounced in in NYS) and was called unintelligent. Glad I was remembering it correctly from the 26 years I lived "upstate" (upstate being everything north of NYC).
On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 17:26:51 GMT, [email] (debbie) wrote:
Yeah, but in Croton we pronounce it Keet-or-eye-z (using the Greek long iota form).
;>
... oh, wait we're unintelligent too!
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On Sun, 08 Dec 1996 19:02:16 GMT, lastyear@marienbad (Seyrig) wrote:
No, I don't think so. It's clitorises (as prev. stated)
"clitori" would work only if it were "clitorus" If you're "Latinizing" the word it would probably be: clitores (3rd declension nominative plural).
... Latin geeks, anti-geeks chime in (and flame at will)
No but I'm open to introductions :)
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On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 15:00:39 GMT, lastyear@marienbad (Seyrig) wrote:
Une autre NT ou NF? Possible. Et INTP? Mais oui. L'ann�e derni�re � Marienbad? Pourquoi? Delphine! C'est tu?
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On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:00:01 GMT, lastyear@marienbad (Seyrig) wrote:
?El habla Espanol tambien? ?O haceriamos una lengua nueva?
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Speaking of a clitoris. What is the plural of clitoris. Do women have "clitorises" or do they have "clitori" much like cacti are the plural of cactus. By the way...what do you call a woman with to clitori?
...A VERY HAPPY WOMAN!
In article , lastyear@marienbad
No, I believe adding "i" to make a word plural is reserved only for words that end in "us" in the singular form, such as fungus. I think you are confused because the ending sounds the same, but yet is not the same.
At one time I felt this was unanswerable also. But I'm convinced that DOLORES rhymes with CLITORIS.
The more common pronunciation is CLIT-or-is. But Websters lists clit-OR-is as a secondary pronunciation.
I noticed one of the original authors of the quoted text had a PhD in English. Shame.
In article , [email] says...
Based on the person's posts (not just that one), their PhD label is almost certainly just a nickname.
Anyway, I think that Webster's lists a second pronunciation for clarity's sake. All sex experts that I have heard mention the word have stated for the record that the second pronunciation (the one that rhymes w/ Delores) is incorrect, but is used enough that it is recognized as a way of saying the word even though it is not correct. Sort of like how everyone knows what people mean when they say "e.g." and "i.e." out loud even though it is incorrect to do so.
[email] (Huckleberry) wrote:
You are correct. However, that is a common pronunciation in New York, which is where the show takes place.
I live in New York and no literate person I know pronounces such that it rhymes with Dolores.
[email] (djk) wrote:
Are you trying to provoke me -- no "literate person" you know? Well, I won't take the bait. Let people judge for themselves based on your rude remarks.
In article , [email] wrote:
Good thing you didn't take the bait, Deb.
In article , [email] (Leslie Klein,Ph.D.,P.Eng.) writes:
Yeah,, I hear this question has been read on the walls of old caves... the cavemen couldnt figure it out..and you expect we civilized humans ( some of us with Ph.D's even ) to do so..Ha..!
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It rhythmes with "clitoris."
Leslie Klein,Ph.D.,P.Eng. wrote in article ...
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[email] (Leslie Klein,Ph.D.,P.Eng.) wrote:
I think that both words rhyme with elbow..its just that several letters are silent,it's up to you to figure out which letters..:) TR
On 12/3/96 10:15PM, in message , djk wrote:
Most people here in NY aren't literate. They have feet, though.
I'm pretty sure you guys were kidding, but if you can't figure out what Delores rhymes with, email me and I'll be glad to tell you.
Also, in the same episode, George offers several "helpful" suggestions ("Hest"?). There was one that Jerry's reply is "I don't think so". It was pretty crude, so naturally, I am trying to remember it. :> Can anyone help on this one?
Chris B.
Aside from Mulva, there was Celeste, Aretha and Gipple.
Was the thing he suggested "regina"?
------------ "i'm listening music in the bedroom / \ ------ laughter in the hall dive into the
\ / | ---- | the wind in rolling canyons i will
------------ ------ not take these things for granted."
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