What's this ridiculing Japanese men I heard about?

S08E07 The ChecksretroMar 29, 2002, 2:04 AM ET5 years later46 posts by 17 posters
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Fans discuss Jerry receiving hundreds of tiny royalty checks from a Japanese TV appearance in "The Checks", with debate over whether the portrayal is ridiculing.

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James Wight

I heard something about Seinfeld ridiculing Japanese men what's this all about?

MichealJames Wight

HEY if somebody asked me which way was germany i wouldnt fly off the handle ill tell you that

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Mark MellinJames Wight

In article , [email] (James Wight) wrote:

Commas.

cf _The Checks_

HTH, HAND

  • Mark
Mark Mellin Precita Valley, CA USA 94110-5206
unknownJames Wight

On 28 Mar 2002 23:04:42 -0800, [email] (James Wight) wrote:

That's ridicurous.

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MGunknown

"The News Guy(Mike)" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email]...

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about?

Uhh, that's Chinese, not Japanese. Feeling slightly racist yourself, eh? ;-)

James WightMG

look, buddy that's what I heard I didn't okay?

MGJames Wight

"James Wight" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email]...

Hearing and mishearing doesn't cut it around here, Jimmy-boy. Otherwise you'd have got the reference - in a response that was meant for NewsGuy anyway. Try watching some Seinfeld for a change.

Daveunknown

Hey, Canadian Joe, which way to hamburger hot dog stand?

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unknownDave

Actually donut shop is probably a better insult. We have two on every block. They're everywhere.

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Chris Schumacherunknown

On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:19:16 GMT, [email] (The News Guy(Mike)) wrote:

Oh yes, the Willy Horton's.

				-==Kensu==-
James WightChris Schumacher

Sorry Stephen, I was talking to MG and Dave (idiots). I didn't hear wrong either, I said I read a post that said Seinfeld ridiculing Japanese men and I was wondering what that was all about. MG obviously didn't read my post because I clearly stated that it wasn't my mistake it was the poster's mistake.

Daveunknown

If they're Krispy Kremes, you have no basis for complaint.

Dave (oh, and Happy Easter.)

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unknownDave

On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:00:51 -0500, Dave wrote:

Unfortunately they are not. We only discovered Krispy Kremes last month on our trip south. 30% fat - that's what makes them goooood. (check their web site nutritional values) No, we have "Tim Horton's" - and you guys are all too young to remember him as a great defenceman for the Toronot Maple Leafs - three Stanley Cups and then the Buffalo Sabres.

There is, ust one Canadian Krispy Kremes in a suburb of Toronto where, when they opened last year, people lined up for hours to get a few. I didn't know why until now.

http://www.krispykreme.com/ca/index.htm

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Daveunknown

Reminds me of the scene from "Wayne's World" where they hang out at Stan Mikita's Donut Shop.

Is opening donut shops a "thing" for former hockey players? Is this a pop culture reference?

Dave (prefers Dinky Donuts.)

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John TwernboldDave

Seen anyone interesting in Dinky Donuts lately?

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Chris SchumacherDave

On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 21:44:41 -0500, Dave wrote:

Not so sure about the former, a definite yes to the later.

AIUI, Stan Mikita was very famous for yelling at a ref, in reaction to a bad call "Have another donut, you fat pig!"

				-==Kensu==-
Chris SchumacherJames Wight

On 28 Mar 2002 23:04:42 -0800, [email] (James Wight) wrote:

The Japanese businessmen in The Checks. Having actually met quite a few of them (I used to work at an English school in Tokyo, and a lot of my clients were salarymen), I would say that their depiction was pretty spot-on; which is odd since I doubt they did any research into the matter. It's actually fairly refreshing, considering that the stereotypical view of Japanese businessmen is that they're soulless megalomaniacs.

				-==Kensu==-
StephenJames Wight

"James Wight" wrote in message news:[email]...

about?

I've seen every episode of Seinfeld, lived in Japan for 3 years and am married to a Japanese woman and I have to say that all of the Japanese characters in Seinfeld have been accurate comical representations and not really the butt of jokes through race. The business men were funny - at least one of them wasn't Japanese as far as I remember from his accent. Then there was the TV exec and his assistant - both minor parts. Other Chinese stuff ("they've seen the fork!") was funny too.

James WightStephen

I'm a real Japanese person, and quite frankly that's what a post said Jerry Seinfeld ridiculing Japanese men? so, it was the poster's fault I want to know what he was talking about I don't care for your immature insults that go nowhere how old are you anyways 5? grow up a little will you?

John TwernboldJames Wight

What are you talking about? What post? Your message about "ridiculing Japanese men" was what started this thread.

Watch the show. If you don't watch the show, then it doesn't concern you. Hearing about scenes taken out of context won't give you a good understanding of the situation.

What insults? Stephen's message to which you responded contained *NO* insults whatsoever. In fact, I can't find any insults (immature or otherwise) in this entire thread.

John Twernbold jtwernbold (at) yahoo.com
Chris SchumacherJames Wight

On 30 Mar 2002 12:09:09 -0800, [email] (James Wight) wrote:

James - Old English, "he supplanted" Wight - Middle English, "a person"

That certainly doesn't sound Japanese to me. Also, your message was a response to one of the few messages in this thread which was not filled by insults. Also, if your intent was not simply a quest for knowledge, if you came here to start a fight over this matter (of which you know nothing) then you are a TROLL.

-==Kensu==- Ergo, those Barrow Wights they fought in LOTR were "people of the burial mounds". Don't forget, Tolkien was a foremost authority in Old English and Middle English literature.

StephenJames Wight

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wStephen

"Stephen" wrote in message news:...

The scene where they are taking the oranges and say "..we have been through many hardships..." is offensive to Japanese.

Like watching The Sopranos if you're an Italian-American (or, in fact, anyone who understands what a stereotype is).

Stephenw

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Why is that? I've never heard any complaint about that and I can't think why it would be. Why is the Sopranos offensive to Italian-Americans - Snatch is not offensive to me (about Eastend gangsters) 'cos I'm not one - although I am English as they are. Lighten up!

Sean BatemanStephen

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Snatch offensive to the British? Compared to Sopranos contra the Italian-americans? That was the weakest analogy i�ve ever heard.

Tod FriendlySean Bateman

"Sean Bateman" wrote in message news:TGIp8.4$[email]...

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A lot of people in the UK found the Friends episodes set in England to be rather offensive. All the English seemed to be snobbish and dim-witted caricatures. As for Snatch, people don't tend to be so offended by a representation of them made by one of their own. It's when outsiders do it that it tends to cause offence.

-TF

rstStephen

"Stephen" wrote in message news:...

I will if they will. Unfortunately, this stereotype is systemic in Hollywood. The latest slur being aired tonight on CBS: "Analyze This"- with Robert DeNiro perpetuating the myth ad nauseum.

Stephenrst

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Not sure about this but if you are suggesting that whenever an Italian is in a film they are a gangster then sure - that's stereotyping, possibly racist and Italian actors should have the chance to do better roles. This was often, and still is, said about women actresses and black actors/actesses. If we are saying that the Sopranos is offensive (i'm refering to both replies to my post here) as it is about the Italian mafia then how can it be - as it is about exactly what it is portraying - it would be more offensive if they hired non-Italian-American actors would it not? The same reason that as Snatch is about eastend gangsters in the UK it is not offensive to other Brits. Don't get me wrong I'm all for PC, affirmitive action, positive discrimination - call it what you will - but some times it just goes too far and things which present no problems at all are drawn in.

James WightStephen

Okay, I think I just saw it tonight on a re-run was it when Seinfeld said that there was a billion chinese people and that deliveryboy from the restaurant might have encountered his relative? was that the joke?

John TwernboldJames Wight

Is this guy for real? I'm beginning to suspect that "James Wight" is a mandroid...

;-)
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unknownJohn Twernbold

Yeah. I like to say: "In China if your boyfriend tells you you're one in a million, there are a thousand others just like you!."

:-)
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John Twernboldunknown

Hey, I've heard that before--is it from Jerry's act?

John Twernbold jtwernbold (at) yahoo.com
unknownJohn Twernbold

I don't think it was Seinfeld's but it was from somebody's stand up routine.

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James WightStephen

btw, Stephen I'm sorry I was talking to MG and Dave those are the morons I was referring to, btw, MG that was what the post said, I stated that already, it wasn't a misread whoever posted it made the mistake so you can stick it.

DaveJames Wight

Make up your mind, am I a moron or an idiot?

I'd like to know before I killfile your silly ass.

Dave (the *nerve* of some people.)

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Chris Schumacherw

On 30 Mar 2002 17:29:15 -0800, [email] (w) wrote:

Okay, it's about time I brought this up. How come none of these people bitching about The Sopranos' representation of Italian-Americans NEVER mention Jennier Melfie or Artie Bucho and his wife? Not all of the I-A's in the show are gangsters, and Artie's wife and Melfi hate the mafia. Not to mention the fact that probably at least half the gangsters we've met have been something other than Italian. (don't forget, one of the major players over the year was Hesh, who was Jewish.) Add in Tony's family and Melfi's family and I think you'll see that not even the majority of the characters are mafioso's.

Considering that one of the biggest scumbags of all in the series (the woman in D-girl) was Jewish, I think you'd have a much stronger case for the show being anti-Semetic.

-==Kensu==- And should I point out that David Chase, the brains behind the series, is Italian himself.

AdamChris Schumacher

Not to mention so many of the actors themselves are Italian-American.

-a

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unknownMike Adams

On Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:32:40 GMT, "Mike Adams" wrote:

:-) I can't comment on this one because jpsmith will get upset (as below) :-) ============================================================ What the rod has morphed into an actual dick? ;-) If it was funny hey no problem, but "the in-joke" is out. Just one more post of no interest or amusement, detracting from the moderate entertainment value of this news group and news groups like it all over the web!

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Mike Adamsunknown

Too much....I guess we cant all just get along? "The News Guy(Mike)" wrote in message news:[email]...

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:-)

group

John TwernboldJames Wight

Yeah, and since I'm half-Swiss I'm offended by the Ricola commercials. Coughing while playing the alpenhorn... MY ASS!

;-)
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DaveJames Wight

And I'm offended by you calling me a moron.

Baselessly, I believe.

Would you mind explaining why you did it?

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Art VandelayDave

I'm offended by folks who steal jokes from Colin Quinn without giving credit.

^^^^^^ "Art is often hailed as the grandest expression of human spirit, but we know now ... that the grandest expression of human spirit is whatever it takes for a man or woman to rush back into a burning building to save more people."

Peter MorrisJames Wight

Mikita's is a fictional representation of Tim Horton's a Canadian donut chain started by Horton who was a famous hockey player in the 60s and 70s (played defence for the Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres). he was killed in a car accident in the early 70s.

Not!

Jim Schoenfeld, then coach of the Washington Capitals (and coincidentally also an ex-defenceman for the Buffalo Sabres), hurled that slur at referree Don Koharski. Schoenfeld was also known for recording perhaps the worst musical recording ever, the in famous "Schoeny" lp released in c. 1974.

Knowing this kind of trivia is scary, but it might qualify me to be your latex salesman.