Episode question

Hey all, i found a episode title "Good News, Bad News". was wondering if somebody could tell me what season/episode number this was? It looks like a season 1 show, but i can't find it listed on the episode guide that i am following at:

"Good News, Bad News" is the alternate name for the first episode also called "The Seinfeld Chronicles"

Episode number one.

Brian Yee wrote:

Which episode was the one with Kramer and trying to run off the subway to get some sort of food?

"The Cigar Store Indian"..............It was a Gyro........

Great episode, I loved the Al Roker cameo. But I don't get the Indian references in it which offends Winona, can someone please explain them to me?

Well Jim I'll give it a shot and try to explain those Indian references and their insult to a Native American. First of all Jerry brings the Cigar Store Indian into Elaine's apt in front of Wynona. . This probably offends her like the black lawn jockies offend some African Americans because it reminds them of their cruel enslavement. The "We smokum peace pipe" statement by Jerry was sort of a slight of an Indian custom along with the broken and stunted language. Kramer drives by with the Indian in the taxi and goes WOO WOO WOO- that is part of the stereo type of "wild savages" doing a war dance around the fire.. When Jerry finally gets Wynona to agree to go out with him, he is now ultra sensitive to anything no matter how small that MIGHT be offensive to Indians. Therefore when he tries to tell her he had made RESERVATIONS at a local resturant- He thinks the fact that a RESERVATION to an Indian represents a place where the US Government sent Indians after stealing their land MIGHT be offensive and changes in midsentence. When asked where he got the tickets to the basketball game, Jerry wants to say SCALPER but rethinks that knowing that Indians were accused of scalping their victums- another of the "savage type" references. The final one I can recall is when Jerry almost calls Wynona an "Indian giver" because she demands the return of the Al Roker TV Guide that she gave Jerry to give to Elaine to replace the one of Frank's Elainee destroyed. I don't think Native Americans like the idea of being associated by name with a person that reneages on a deal or present. That's ironic when one considers the number of times the US Goverment took back or broke treaties with Indian groups. These are just my interpretations of these words and situations and I AM NOT AN INDIAN or NATIVE AMERICAN and if either of those terms are deemed improper in this day & age I meant no disrespect.

On 14 Aug 2001 20:30:28 GMT, [email] (DFrank1068) wrote:

That's a good explanation, sir. In addition to that, it might be noted that the original purpose of the " Cigar Store Indian " , was to let people know that Indian scalps were for sale at that store. Pretty hideous, huh. It's funny how these details are lost with time...

-fan

On 14 Aug 2001 20:30:28 GMT, [email] (DFrank1068) wrote:

Wouldn't it have been more simple to call her a de-gifter?

Sophie

(Your post was great, btw.)

"He de-gifted, he re-gifted, then he used an upstairs invite as a springboard to a Super Bowl sex romp!"

Dave (one of my favorite quotes.)

Good post, DF. I loved this eposide in no small part because it's a dig against the hypersensitive. At the beginning, after Jerry presented her with the cigar store indian, I could see how Winona would be angry or offended, but by the end I had no sypathy for her whatsoever. When Jerry had to dance around the word "reservation"? Like it can't mean more than one thing? Please.

Dave (and don't get me started on "The Puerto Rican Day".)