So, This is How It Ends...

S09E23 The Finale (1)liveMay 14, 1998the same night4 posts by 3 postersalt.tv.seinfeld
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Fans debate whether the finale's ending with the characters imprisoned is ironic, discussing the definition of irony and the show's themes about cruelty and apathy.

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I liked the last episode. The ending was kind of sad and ironic. It just had to end with them in jail. But it was funny.

Ravi Kiran wrote:

It may have been sad and may or may not have been funny. But it certainly was not IRONIC.

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The News Guy(Mike) ([email]) wrote:

How do you figure? Our heroes ended up imprisoned for being cruel and apathetic, the exact reason that the show we watched (and, one might add, the show they were pitching to the fictional NBC) was successful. Unless you have some special definition of 'irony', that seems to fit the bill for me.

tracy

"... What I like in a pervert is someone who can face up to what he truly feels in the darkest recesses of his soul, but who has the restraint and style to not hurt anybody with it. Like I'm perfectly fine with somebody saying to me, 'You know, I would just love to whip, chain

Mr. Microphone wrote:

The News Guy(Mike) ([email]) wrote:

Well, my definition is what I learned in school and what it says in my Random House Dictionary.

In my own words first: IRONY pertains to something that happens (a) for the wrong set of reasons but effects the right outcome or (2) dramatic irony occurs when the audience is aware of information different from what a specific character knows and we watch the character's actions based on one set of ideas when we know there is another set of ideas taking place.

(Poorly said but here is a dictionary definition.) =============================================================================== i-ro-ny 1. a figure of speech in which the words express a meaning that is often the direct opposite of the intended meaning. 2. 'Literature'. (a) a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated. (b) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc. esp. as a means of indication detachment from a subject, theme or emotion ...yadda..yadda...yadda... ================================================================================

So I guess if they were imprisoned for doing nothing - but they had actually done something to warrant going to jail that could be called irony. If that is what you meant I guess it could be irony. But I did not see the events supporting that.

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