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Fans debate whether George Costanza is Jewish, with mixed evidence from the show and disagreement over whether the thread should exist.
We don't really have any concrete evidence about George's parents religions other than it is not Latvian Orthodox.
The best evidence we have is Jerry's response to George's encouragement of his participation in the gay couple charade - "I could see you in Berlin in 1939, goose-stepping past me, saying Go, Along! Go, Along!"
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right-o! mom's jewish, dad's italian!
PLEASE DON'T. This newsgroup doesn't need a dumbass me-too thread. If you want to conduct an offline poll via e-mail fine.
Yes! I think George C. is Jewish.
I agree George is definitely Jewish... Elaine, however, is not..
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George's family is CATHOLIC! In "The Fatigues", Kramer throws his Jewish singles dinner at the Knights of Columbus, which Frank belongs to.
[email] (Darwin Teague) writes:
George's family is CATHOLIC! In "The Fatigues", Kramer throws his Jewish singles dinner at the Knights of Columbus, which Frank belongs to.
That reference only proves that Frank Costanza, not George Costanza, is Catholic. If a Catholic marries a Jew, it doesn't mean everyone in the family becomes Catholic.
Knights of Columbus membership only proves that Frank Costanza is Catholic. The writers purposely don't explicitly state the religion of George or his mother so that we will continue to dwell on this thread.
In article , [email] says... -Knights of Columbus membership only proves that Frank Costanza is -Catholic. The writers purposely don't explicitly state the religion of -George or his mother so that we will continue to dwell on this thread.
Correct, assuming that Knights of Columbus only accept those who claim to be Catholic. (I don't know anything about the Knights of Columbus.) George could be Jewish if he converted from whatever he was to Judaism. So, even if neither of George's parents are Jewish, he could be. On the other hand, if George's parents were BORN Jewish, then George is Jewish no matter what, even if Frank Costanza now claims he is Catholic. BTW, I do not profess to know whether any of the characters are Jewish. I don't really care, but I thought you people discussing this thing are usually going about it the wrong way, making conclusions from "clues" that you cannot validly make.
In article , [email] (Huckleberry) writes:
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Negative K.... you are what your Mother is.. if Frank is Catholic..it doesnt matter.. its what the mother is that counts... and by the way... Jerry, Jewish George, possibly Elaine Not Jewish Kramer Not Jewish Mystery Girl Name, Delores Jerry's apartment 5A, Fifth Floor Jerry's Building, Elevator Jerry's Computer, never looked Elaines Hair, wigs... Kramer, falls ass backwards into money. no real jobs now lets see,, what have I missed....
It Shrinks...???
Just Me, Lisa
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------------------------- "Fatso"
[email] (LEGGGS) wrote:
Susan is really dead . . . Elaine's last name is spelled BENES . . .
I never said that it mattered what Frank was. I said that it doesn't. Also, if your mother is Jewish, but was a converted Jew, that doesn't make you Jewish inherently. What if she decided to convert to Buddhism. Does that make you a Buddhist because your mom is?
All I was saying is that if your mom is Jewish, and not by conversion, then you will always be Jewish. Not because of Judaism, but because Jewism is more than a religion. It is an ethnicity, some call it a race.
"JEWISM?" "RACE?" Go join the Aryan nation you anti-semitic little twit. Piss off.
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What the hell is wrong with you? I am not anti-semitic in the least. The Aryan nation? I am native-born Vietnamese, and I have many Jewish friends that I highly respect. Just because some people (not I) refer to Jews as a race (some of my Jewish friends included), and just because I use their word to describe them, does not make me anti-semitic.
Try "people." We Jews are a people, and among us are members of all racial groups. The Orthodox rabbis will consider you a Jew if your mother was one (either because hers was, or because she converted before you were born), or if you converted. Non-orthodox rabbis often use looser criteria.
But just as you don't need to be Jewish to love Levy's rye, you don't need to love Levy's rye to be Jewish...
In article , "Mark L." writes:
Would that be a Marble Rye..??
:-)
It Shrinks...???
Just Me, Lisa
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"Get the honey!"
------------------------- "Fatso"
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Okay then, it just makes you racist. Could it have something to do with the fact that your race visibly separates you from the majority of your adopted countrymen, so as a defense mechanism you want to pigeonhole others?
->>that I highly respect. Just because some people (not I) refer ->to Jews as a ->>race (some of my Jewish friends included), and just because I ->use their word ->>to describe them, does not make me anti-semitic. ->> ->Okay then, it just makes you racist. Could it have something ->to do with the fact that your race visibly separates you from ->the majority of your adopted countrymen, so as a defense ->mechanism you want to pigeonhole others?
No, it could have something to do with the fact that it is an accepted usage of the word according to my sources, which include a 1996 college dictionary and Jewish friends.
On 4 Nov 1996 00:58:49 GMT, [email] (Huckleberry) wrote:
you happen to be wrong there. if a person has a correct and correct according to their rabbi conversion, they are completely and unquestionably jewish. and a jewish woman will have a jewish child unless that child converts to another faith.
of course this has nothig to do withthe fact theat the character elaine is NOT JEWISH.........sheeeesh.
and when is george or kramer going to have netsex?
In article , Born@Yesterday (B. Dawn) writes:
Also,
Remember when George converted to that other religion (?) because of that lady? Did he ever convert back to whatever he started out as?
Lynette
don't think so
Yes, I don't think so either, because, in George's words, "What do I care?"
[email] (Darwin Teague) wrote:
just to throw gasoline on the fire...george's father is catholic.
i believe, and am willing to be corrected, that judaism passes through the mother. if you keep getting pushed off your land, conquerred, etc., and the women raped, you're more likely to know who your mother is than your father. so if estelle is jewish, then george would be considerred by the religion to be.
but, after all, he did convert to lithuanian(?) orthodox. so i guess he's not jewish _or_ roman catholic anymore, anyway.
cheers.
Elaine could be jewish. But her atitude doesn't make her one.
Ok, lets look at all the clues (I just came from the alt.conspiracy.jfk NG so excuse my rigour).
(a) When Jerry and Elaine stay over at Jerry's parents in Florida Jerry's mom says she always liked Elaine, refering I believe, to Jerry's dating her in the past. If you grew up with a Jewish mom you would KNOW Elaine has to be Jewish.
(b) Kramer asks Elaine if she will come to his Jewish singles night. Obviously Kramer knows Elaine better than we do so he naturally assumes she qualifies - hence she's Jewish.
Lets see - the JFK question has been open for 33 years perhaps this thread will live a lot longer than the show.
So many questions... Who shot JFK? Is Elaine Jewish? What hapened to the Braves?
Mike Lieberman wrote:
The rest of that crap (above) isn't worth wasting any time on, but I would like to address two of your questions:
Not LHO
no
So which side were you on when you visited alt.conspiracy.jfk?
debbie wrote: <snipped>
AS Jerry would say: The side of Truth, Justice and the American way (or is that impossible?)
NEWS FLASH
In addition to being interested in the jfk and the seinfeld groups just rented Oliver Stone's JFK and watched in a new light after reading the alt...jfk postings - every Seinfeld fan should watch it.
Has anyone else in this group posted the connection between Newman (is his real name Jack White) and the character Jack White plays in the JFK movie - it was quite a shock to hear Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) tell his assistant (Jack White) to got to the tv and "Make it louder, Newman "!!!! (In fact in the credits his name appears as a good old boy *Numa* , but it sure souns like Newman.
Also in that movie it was Jack White and another character that Jim Garrison (Kevin C.) uses to discredit the single bullet theory - the exact take-off used in Seinfeld.
What a laugh.
In article , Mike Lieberman writes:
Isnt that Wayne Knight..??
It Shrinks...???
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Mike Lieberman wrote:
What are you talking about? I know Jack White and he is an assassination researcher and participated in one of the federal investigations of the JFK assassination. I don't think Jim Garrison had an employee named Jack White and I don't think Jack White had they part you described in the JFK movie. But if you like, I will ask him when I see him later this month at the annual JFK symposium in Dallas.
SORRY SORRY - I meant WAYNE KNIGHT the actor who plays Newman.
I mistakenly thought his first name was Jack so I
guess my error ruined the impact of my post due
to the coincidence that there is a real Jack Kight
involved with the assassination study.My point was that WAYNE KNIGHT, who plays NEWMAN played a character in JFK called NUMA (which sounds like newman when you watch the tape)and in the movie whem JiM Garrison (Kevin Costner) acts out the magic-bullet theory he uses WAYNE KNIGHT in the same way Jerry (Seinfeld) uses him in the spoof with the magic luggie.
On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Mike Lieberman wrote:
Gee, if your "evidence" had any actual worth to them, then we could also say that Onassis killed JFK since she was in Dallas that day. You cite the episode where Kramer invites Elaine to the Jewish singles night as proof that Elaine is Jewish. Are you forgetting what she said immediately after the invite? She says, "I'm not Jewish." Hmmm. Sounds a bit more concrete than the straws that you were grasping for. Are you saying that Kramer knows Elaine better than she knows herself? Hardly. Face it, the character on the show is not Jewish. And who says that Jewish mothers only like people who their children are dating if they are Jewish? Is it possible that Jerry's mother just plain likes Elaine?
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I say she is Jewish!
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B) "kramer asks elaine if she will come to his jewish singles night. obviously kramer knows elaine better than we do so he naturally assumes she qualifies"
KRAMER DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ELAINE'S LAST NAME. (he thought it was BENETT)
and your first piece of evidence is just circumstantial.
i'm a jfk conspiracy nut too and your sense of logic is shameful to our brotherhood of conspiracy-philes.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THIS:
ELAINE SENT *CHRISTMAS* CARDS TO LOCAL *CLERGYMEN/WOMEN*. IS this the act of a jewish woman?
think about.
-jamie
"and then the government.. YOUR government says that the president's brain has *disappeared*." -JFK
The fact is, George is already Latvian Orthodox(remember his conversion)
Jamie L. Stellini wrote in article ...
Jerry's
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obviously kramer knows elaine
brotherhood of
brain has *disappeared*."
Einar Forselv wrote in article ...
she is not Jewish.
In all likelihood, George's mother is Jewish.
Kramer, BTW, is also not Jewish, again by his own declarationin 10/31 episode.
Probably not a good idea to assume he's Jewish because he's from New York.
I vote for Jewish George . I also think that Elaine is also old testiment. Consider the Donna Chang(stein) episode!!!