Elaine's appeal

Jan 3, 1994, 6:29 PM ET50 posts by 41 posters
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Fans debate Elaine's character appeal, with the opening post questioning why she's liked despite being portrayed as whiny and obnoxious, while others defend her with references to her spunk and charm.

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Wendy Tyrol

OK, please no flames here...this is an honest question to you guys out there who love Elaine. What's the appeal? She's whine-y, pretty obnoxious and would you really want a woman who seemed to spend all her free time, seemingly, with her ex-boyfriend?! OK, she's pretty but she's not remarkable. What is it? The fact that she works for a publishing co. and obviously has good grammatical skills?!

What is Elaine's appeal?

For me her saving grace is that she is "one of the guys"/a pal as compared to the Oprah watching, mother of 2.3 gifted children, "shopping is my life" females that, by my experience/witness, are the more prevalent.

Counting my wife, I can think of one female that I consider to be a real pal. If had to chose a female candidate from TV land as my new pal, it would have to be Elaine; who else is there??????

Elaine's appeal to the masses? Who knows? I'll wait and read the replies!

Bill

Ken GaciochWendy Tyrol

[email] (WENDY J TYROL) writes: }OK, please no flames here...this is an honest question to you guys out there }who love Elaine. What's the appeal? She's whine-y, pretty obnoxious and }would you really want a woman who seemed to spend all her free time, }seemingly, with her ex-boyfriend?! OK, she's pretty but she's not }remarkable. What is it? The fact that she works for a publishing co. and }obviously has good grammatical skills?!

Oh.  Well, since you put it that way...   Never mind.  I guess I wouldn't
want her to drop by wearing nothing but a trenchcoat after all.    8-)

You're right about her having a rather unpleasant personality. But so what?

For me, the attraction isn't for Elaine anyway, it's for JLD. |-9

Ken.

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Stella WirkWendy Tyrol

Wendy J Tyrol wrote to All on the subject of: |---------------------------------------| Elaine's appeal |WJT>ass.edu> |WJT>Newsgroup: alt.tv.seinfeld |WJT>Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst | |WJT>OK, please no flames here...this is an honest question to you guys out |WJT>who love Elaine. What's the appeal? She's whine-y, pretty obnoxious |WJT>would you really want a woman who seemed to spend all her free time, |WJT>seemingly, with her ex-boyfriend?! OK, she's pretty but she's not |WJT>remarkable. What is it? The fact that she works for a publishing co. |WJT>obviously has good grammatical skills?! |------------------------------------------------------------|

My husband reports that Elaine looks vulnerable, makes adorable faces and expressions, seems sincere, is cute looking and not a bimbo - a portrayal of a woman with some intelligence about her is refreshing. Don't tell me you'd turn down a chance to spend an evening with her yourself! <G>

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Radio-boyStella Wirk

In article , [email] (Stella Wirk) writes...

Yeah, that about sums it up. And she's fascinated with Greenland. BTW, if you do ever end up spending an evening with Elaine, you know at least one way to make her laugh - pull out your trusty Pez dispenser!

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sorry....couldn't resist....

Mike Vago [email]

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DeathWendy Tyrol

Although Elaine does spend some time with Jerry and CO. I wouldn't say she spends all her free time with them at, not even most. She frequently has dates and is going out with her female friends.

Have to disagree with you there, I think that Elaine is QUITE remarkable indeed. She is one of the most beautiful women on TV. Hey she has to be gorgeous she does the Nice N' Easy commercials doesn't she?

Not quite, no. She is open and honest about everything with her friends. She doesn't hold anything back and isn't afraid to talk about any subject at all. The fact that she openly talks about all her problems including the ones that would usually be socially taboo is a real turn on. In closing I would just like to say :

  		ELAINE IS A GODDESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DEATH

Christine NeideckerDeath

I like George's description: something like, "Kind of short, big wall of hair, face like a frying pan."

I think JLD is really pretty, and I love that under-bite face she makes, when she bares her teeth.

Chris

In [email] (Christine Neidecker) writes:

That may be so, but Elaine is NUTS. (NTTAWWT) Of course, everybody else is nuts, so why should Elaine be any different. Dave

CRGABELChristine Neidecker

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Okay.... I'm going out on a limb here, but what exactly about Elaine's face looks like a frying pan? Her face don't look like no frying pan *I* own! And that underbite thing accompanied by a certain facial (fryingpan-al??) expression can be really funny.

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Roy EassaCRGABEL

[email] writes:

Let's see... Julia's a member of the *cast*, and a lot of frying pans are *cast* iron... yeah, that's it.

CRGABELRoy Eassa

In article [email] (Roy Eassa) writes:

Oh, *MAN*, that's a stretch.......
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David Gregory PlattCRGABEL

In [email] writes:

She has a HUGE head, and a big face (not fat, just big). It's sort of flat, so that's where they got frying pan. DAve

Roy EassaCRGABEL

[email] writes:

This is your brain. This is your brain on Julia Louis-Dreyfus's face. Any questions?

David Gregory PlattCRGABEL

In [email] writes:

No, it's true... her face is HUGE for her body, and it's completely flat. Dave

myrsonDeath

[email] (Death) writes:

Bi

you probably fantasize about what her vagina looks like!!!

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Ellie PresnerWendy Tyrol

AZS> Elaine has spunk.

Lou Grant *hates* spunk.

EP

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John PrioleWendy Tyrol

In article , [email] (WENDY J TYROL) wrote:

There is something besides her looks that I like about her. Who knows!

MARK PATRICK WOODWendy Tyrol

I'd have to agree with what everyone said so far but no one mentioned one of her best features- the way she physically pushes the others around. I have no idea why, but myself and my whole family find that hilarious. By the way, did anyone see her on Jay Leno around the time of the Frozen Yogurt episode? Very funny.

M. Wood

P.S. Where does everyone find the titles from the show? They make sense but I never see them officially printed before the show.

Ellie PresnerWendy Tyrol

DGP> That may be so, but Elaine is NUTS. (NTTAWWT) Of DGP> course, everybody else is DGP> nuts, so why should Elaine be any different.

Dave, I have to agree with you there. In fact I'd stick my neck out <ouch!> and say that that's precisely where her appeal as a character lies: beautiful, yet verrrrry neurotic. Clumsy, yet sexy. Smart, yet...

btw I thot tonite's show was *great*: "I can't spare a square! Not even a ply!" The real test is when u LOL, IMHO. <see, I luv acronyms too...:->)

EP

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Richard MoormanEllie Presner

She's got the same appeal that Molly Dodd had, which is as a very pleasant, neurotic, gorgeous, intelligent woman. But she's whackier. The Molly Dodd character was a bit too reserved.

Elaine is a lot more fun. Molly went and got serious on us. Elaine would NEVER get pregnant. Or if she did, she'd handle it the same way she handles all her other relationships with bothersome phenomena.

Yikes! Imagine Elaine with morning sickness. Man...

CHE STUDWendy Tyrol

[email] writes:

Never underestimate the appeal of good grammar. ("...And for foreplay, let's diagram a few sentences....")

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In article WENDY J TYROL, [email] writes:

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Although I can't really put my finger on why I *love* Elaine (other than that she is one of the most beautiful women on television) last night's episode had one reason why. I love it when she gets in arguments and she begins to sorta whine!! Like last night when she was asking for some toilet paper. And then there was the airplane episode in which she is having a discussion with the meal server of why she didn't get a meal the first time. Then there's that scene in the Christmas card episode when she finds out her nipple's been exposed. The list is almost endless...

And then there is her "attitude" when she finds out something unbelieveable. She brings out her arms and pushes the other person away like with a "get outta here" expression. Do others know what I am talking about.

Then someone else mentioned how she'll talk about anything with anyone and I like that too.

Although I think all of the characters on Seinfeld are excellent, she is my favorite for these and many other reasons.

The Mad HatterWendy Tyrol

(I accidentally mailed this when I meant to post it.)

In article you write:

Spunk is part of it. She also has a cuddly quality, in spite of the characteristics you mention. I also remember her much sexier character on Day by Day (thanks to those who reminded me of the show's title). And she doesn't waste her whining on why there aren't any good men around. She laughs at my jokes, or at least Jerry's jokes which I laugh at. She doesn't present a war of the sexes threatening posture (although she doesn't take any WOS crap either). She's a good sport, usually, unless it involves shoes. She interacts with the men around her as an adult, even though the men fall a bit short.

And she can get by with one layer of one square....?

Ted SchuerzingerThe Mad Hatter

In article [email] (The Mad Hatter) writes:

No, no, no! I believe she said she needed "just three squares". Still, that's pretty good. :-)

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Theresa BodleyWendy Tyrol

Greetings and Salutations...

Since this is my first post to this particular newsgroup, please don't be offended by anything that I say.

Anyway, I thought it was rather curious to see the guys reactions to Elaine. However, I didn't see any posts by women about Elaine (except the first one asking why guys liked her). Granted I only read the last 100 or so articles and may have missed some. Personally, I can see why any guy would like Elaine. She's the type of female character on tv that I can relate to. She is one of the most bizarre and ecentric women on tv. She has a great sense of humor, is beautiful and has great fashion sense. That's one thing that most people didn't comment on. I think that the way that they dress Elaine on the show is perfect. But I think that the thing that I most like about Lanie is that she is a very sincere and honest character, not too many characters seem to have the sense of loyalty that this cast does.

And whay about her going out with the mimbo? I think that it fits in perfect with the rest of the men that she has dated. Elaine may be sincere, but she is VERY vain. It's not that big of a shock that she would date just because he is good looking, and I think that is why Tony dated her. I don't think that he would want to go out with a woman who is as rugged as he is. He seems like he would go out with a beautiful woman who would pamper him, not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think that Jane recognized Kramer in the restaurant because she seemed to recognize his voice when he was in Jerry's apartment and they were going to split a cab.

Anyway, thanks for hearing my ramblings....

Theresa Bodley [email] Queen of the Castle
Neil DayWendy Tyrol

WJT>OK, please no flames here...this is an honest question to you guys out ther WJT>who love Elaine. What's the appeal? She's whine-y, pretty obnoxious and WJT>would you really want a woman who seemed to spend all her free time, WJT>seemingly, with her ex-boyfriend?! OK, she's pretty but she's not WJT>remarkable. What is it? The fact that she works for a publishing co. and WJT>obviously has good grammatical skills?!

Not being one who loves Elaine, I'd hazard a guess the reason....she's a red-head.

or

she loves to use exclamation points!!!

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Tom GordonNeil Day

I think people like Elaine for much the same reason they like Jerry. She is funny, intelligent, and has many of the faults that people see in their own selves. The fact that she hangs out with not just her own boyfriend but two other guys as well shows that she's just one of the guys. After all, how many of Jerry's girlfriends would have had a conversation with him about their negative experience with the uncircumcised (or is that "moyel-ly challenged"?). And how many of them would have entered the contest? Plus, when she comes up with a great line, or is proven to be right about something, she has this really great "I'm so proud of myself" look. (For example, in the Sidra/implants episode, when Jerry says, "I've touched your breasts," and Elaine replies, "Oh, yeah, I forgot.") Despite the fact that Jerry's girlfriend-of-the-week is usually more physically attractive than Elaine, I'd take Elaine over the others any day.

Tom Gordon Chicago, IL
CRGABELNeil Day

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Elaine is a red-head????

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David CooperCRGABEL

-> >Not being one who loves Elaine, I'd hazard a guess the -> >reason....she's a red-head.

-> Elaine is a red-head????

Elaine is not a red head. Irregardless, of that the red head babe of TVland is Suzie Plaxson (Meg of Love and War).

[email] (David Cooper) writes:

It should also be noted that Suzie Plaxson played a recurring role in ST:TNG. She played K'Eylar (Worf's mate) who was killed by Duras.

It could also be noted that "irregardless" is not an actual word. It should be just "regardless."

A friendly warning from the Grammar Cop.

myrsonJustin Johnson

[email] (Justin Johnson) writes:

In college when Elaine and I had something going, her pubic hair was red when we made love, I don't think she was into dying her pubes. She kept her vaginal area well groomed though.

Jennifer L. Taggartmyrson

In article [email] writes:

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What color was it the rest of the time?

shibaJustin Johnson

In [email] (Justin Johnson) writes:

According to Webster's 7th Collegiate Dictionary :

ir.re.gard.less \.ir-i-'ga:rd-l*s\ av [prob. blend of irrespective and regardless] nonstand : REGARDLESS

-Rich

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The Mad HatterJustin Johnson

And, I believe, Plaxson is actually spelled with a k.

John TriceJustin Johnson

[email] (Justin Johnson) writes:

Actually, "irregardless" is an actual word.. "adj. & adv. regardless

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Tw> [email] (David Cooper) writes:

Tw> It should also be noted that Suzie Plaxson played a recurring role Tw> in ST:TNG. She played K'Eylar (Worf's mate) who was killed by Duras.

That's K'Eyless not K'Eylar -- a small observation.

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[email] (Mariano Stalker) writes:

Wrong. K'Eylar is the mother of Worf's son. K'Eyless is the Klingon Christ figure.

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No, it's K'ehlar. K'ehyless is the current ruler of the Klingon Homeworld. Does knowing this make me a hipster dufus?

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Michael ShoreWendy Tyrol

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d>Newsgroups: alt.tv.seinfeld d>Subject: Re: ELAINE'S APPEAL d>From: [email] (David Cooper) d>Path: d>[address] d>Distribution: world Message-ID: d>References: d>Date: Sun, 16 Jan 94 12:52:00 -0500 d>Organization: Online Systems Of Canada BBS d>Lines: 7

d>-> >Not being one who loves Elaine, I'd hazard a guess the d>-> >reason....she's a red-head.

d>-> Elaine is a red-head????

d>Elaine is not a red head. Irregardless, of that the red head babe of d>TVland is Suzie Plaxson (Meg of Love and War). ^^^^^^^

Not to be a stickler, but it's Plakson. BTW, she played Worf's wife Keh'ylar(sp?) on TNG.

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Rick PaliWendy Tyrol

19 Jan 94 22:24, Rich Shiba wrote:

 RS>     According to Webster's 7th Collegiate Dictionary :
 RS> ir.re.gard.less \.ir-i-'ga:rd-l*s\ av [prob. blend of irrespective and
 RS>    regardless] nonstand  : REGARDLESS

And I'm sure you'd find "ain't" in the odd dictionary too. I suspect that's what the "nonstand" is for...

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Dan BechardRick Pali
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Actually, a lot of respectable dictionaries also include "meow" and "woof".

Seema Matharu - AIMD/F93Dan Bechard
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Actually, a lot of respectable dictionaries also include "meow" and "woof".

John BlackmanWendy Tyrol

The purpose of words is to communicate, not to have rules. If a word is recognized enough to show up in ANY credible dictionairy, then consider it fair for usage. Or, better yet, if the word communicated something to you, that should be good enough.

Just a friendly warning from the watch commander of grammar cops.

JB

Michael ShoreWendy Tyrol

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m> Tw> [email] (David Cooper) writes: m> m> >Elaine is not a red head. Irregardless, of that the red head babe m> >of TVland is Suzie Plaxson (Meg of Love and War).

m> Tw> It should also be noted that Suzie Plaxson played a recurring m> Tw> role in ST:TNG. She played K'Eylar (Worf's mate) who was killed m>by Duras. m>That's K'Eyless not K'Eylar -- a small observation.

Okay. First of all, it's Suzie Plakson, with a "k". Second of all, the first poster was right. It's K'Eylar, not K'Eyless. You might be thinking of K'ahless, the Klingon who appeared this season as a sort of Messiah. A bigger observation.

Michael --- � CmpQwk #UNREG� UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY

Mark AbbottMichael Shore

[email] writes in article :

Funny, I don't remember any of these characters from Seinfeld. Let's try to stick to the subject (Seinfeld), okay? :)

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