Fans recap The Pie episode, explaining Kramer's back-scratching encounter with a woman in a restaurant and Jerry's persistent attempts to get his date to try pie.
OK, I know I'm a bit slow here...I missed the first 10 minutes or so of Seinfeld last week. I just started watching when Kramer was having his back scratched in the restaurant. How did he meet this woman? Was her ability to scratch her main appeal? Why did Jerry keep asking his date about pie?
Wendy
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Kramer had this itch in the middle of his back that he couldn't get rid of (I can't remember how he got this itch, if it was mentioned). He saw this woman in the restaurant, and yes, it was hers nails that led Kramer to her.
As for Jerry, he and his date were having a meal at the restaurant, and Jerry ordered a piece of pie. Jerry kept insisting that she try some, because it's the best, but she wouldn't (she just kept shaking her head). No explanation, no nothing... just shaking of her head. This, of course, drove Jerry crazy 'cause he wanted to know why she wouldn't try (compounded by the fact that Kramer saw her some time later in the same restaurant eating apple pie). I'm sure this would explain the long debate/discussion/theorizing about why she wouldn't eat the pie in this newsgroup lately.
I missed "The Stand-in" and am still confused about_why_he took 'it' out. Could someone please explain this too me? (E-mail only, please) I've read about 70 posts and still don't really know. I know this sounds like the clueless third grade kid who has to ask someone about "it" but, I've already read to many posts on this subject without knowing what it's about. Thanks
I dunno...it's bizarre.
My wife seems to think he said something like "I'm going to wet myself..", when he was laughing hysterically. Perhaps he was trying to spare his clothing!
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The Mad Hatter ([email]) wrote:
She's right...he did say that. But m'man, who would just take it out like that? Insanity.
Rob Shearman Jr. writes:
Yes, he said he was going to wet himself if Elaine didn't stop with the Elephant joke, but then Elaine went to kiss him and IT was hanging out. Sick, yes, but definitely hilarious! Just another bad date for Laney!
Brent
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How come I'm not suprised that it's mostly guys who seem perplexed by this? To me, it was immediately obvious why he would take it out--he wanted to have sex! I guess it must happen to girls and women a lot more than to men--that is, we are much more often in the situation of seeing a penis suddenly and inappropriately appear! More generally, perhaps women have to deal with the issue of sex being forced on them more than men do--but I'm sure many men would disagree. Still, it is telling to me that it's mostly the guys who are in the dark about this.
June
Huh?!? I beg to differ. I found the episode completely bizarre. I had to have it explained to me.
Scenario: sitting in a car with a great guy after a great evening and leaning over to give him a friendly kiss good night and "IT" IS HANGING OUT OF HIS PANTS?
I don't think so.
Since Seinfeld is not normally this stupid, I like to think this isn't the last we've heard of the "IT" incident. Like "The Pick," it could be a case of mistaken identity or intent.
Tracy
I can't believe this is actually a source of argument! If you watch the scene, it is quite clear that he wants her to stay in the car and is disappointed that the night is over. Granted, it is a sick thing to do, but I can't imagine that there is any doubt from the context of the scene that he did it to initiate some sort of sex.
George's response further clarifies the motive..."I always try to get her clothes off...I never thought of taking my own clothes off."
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Translation: "I don't know what I did wrong, I have no idea why she
didn't want to have sex with me..." I think it makes sense that way, and that way was pretty much the way
I interpreted it to begin with. I disagree, I think the whole midgets thing *was* the cheif reason the
episode sucked. It seemed like they were reduced to "side-show" status,
which kind of bothered me, but then it wasn't even funny beyond that.All, of course, in my opinion. (see below.)
-Me
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I agree with Tracy. The situation is so bizarre, many of us are having problems comprehending what the hell the Seinfeld folks were attempting. But let me presume to offer an explanation as to why so many guys are confused. Simply put: Taking *it* out is the LAST thing we would do if we wanted to initiate sex with our date. Put another way, if we totally, completely, irrevocably wanted to turn our date OFF -- most particulary a first date -- then we would take it out. Sure-fired prescription for failure. And we know this. That's why it puzzles me, and I'll bet most guys.
There is the distinct possibitity, however, that the Seinfeld crew simply did not think this thing through. They probably thought bizarre = funny, throw in a great reaction from Kramer, and you've got yourself a show.
The ending did, however, give us grounds for suspecting that this was a case of mistaken identity (as Tracy suggested). As evidence, the fact that the guy professed confusion as to why Elaine was turned off, and his shock at the woman baring her breast in public, even if to nurse her child. True, this was all equivocable, and not clearly drawn, but the seeds of doubt were planted in my mind.
What galled me is Jerry's lack of action. In my opinion, he should have laid into the guy, if not with fists, then at least with outraged condemnation. People like that need to be told off in no uncertain terms. Perhaps he had his doubts, too. Whatever the case, it is a very confusing, unsatisfying episode. They should put it back in...the can.
Taking it out is along the lines of the long debated theory of walking up to a woman and asking, "Wanna fuck?" The idea being that one gets one's face slapped 99 out of 100 times, but that 100th time is worth it. You have to realize that most of us guys have the maturity level of a 5th grader. Hey, I'm turned on, maybe she's turned on too, I'll just whip it out and see. And because the guy is an imbecile, he didn't see anything wrong with what he did, thus the conversation with Jerry. I'm sure if it had come up (no pun intended) this guy would have just dismissed it as Elaine being "uptight".
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I agree with Ron on this point. This is at least the second time this season (The Pie, Taking It Out) that the show has left us in a quandary as to why certain characters did what they did. It leaves me confused and dissatisfied. I really think they should come to closure on these things.
It's sort of like the ending of "Basic Instinct", where you've just concluded that the shrink is the one who's been icing everybody, and then they show Sharon Stone reach for the ice pick. The end result was befuddlement and failure to come to closure.
Steve
You have obviously not been watching that long if you were "galled [by]... Jerry's lack of action." Jerry never says anything unless he was wronged directly. Besides, Jerry telling him off wouldn't have made the show any funny.
3. The Baby Shower. George picks Jerry up from the airport and they go
back to Jerry's apartment, where Elaine is throwing a baby shower for
one of her friends from college who dated George once in the previous
season (not too sure on the time of george dating this woman, but I
remember seeing the episode, I'm assuming it was the previous season
(lets not fight over the order of the seasons again!!)) She threw
liquid chocolate all over George's new red shirt on their date, and then
didn't apoligize. Jerry sees the woman, but does not bring it up.there are many more examples of Jerry's "staying out of other's people's business" attitude. If Jerry brought it up, there wouldn't be a regular character that made all the goofy inferences and one-lines right in the front of the guy. You can't bring it up *and* make jokes about it... Jerry was consistent with his character.
Andy &:) Why can't I meet a Kennedy?
mistaken identity? What does this guy carry sausuages around in his pockets & just take them out at a moments notice. And I'm sure that Elaine would know what IT looks like, so I doubt it could be a case of mistaken identity. And, if I remember correctly, Elaine had never seen one WITH it, only WITHOUT it, so it could be a case of mistaken identity, if he was planning on having some Jimmy Dean links later in the evening.
Andy (Searching for a quote...) =:-> Front first. That's how you park when you pull in a bank job.
[email] (June Stacey Cummins) sobs:
"Piss" off! miscreant bitch! Where do you femi-nazis get off with this idea that all men are rapists? Get a life (or better yet, get a husband).
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Your little hissy fit isn't even worth that much
-Doug
I recall Elaine making him laugh terribly. In all of his laughter he said something like stop, i'm gonna pee and just continues laughing. Could this have something to do with it? What was he going to do -- urinate in the car?
We've heard the moral and strategic consequences of taking it out. I'd like to address the practical aspects. I am currently sitting at home in front of my keyboard, and I just tried -- for the hell of it -- to take it out. It's not the easiest thing in the world to do surreptitiously, even when you don't have to contend with a steering wheel, seatbelt, or other complicating factors. I don't think there's any way he could have taken it out without Elaine noticing WAY before she did. So I think Elaine must have been mistaken about what she saw. Maybe she wasn't wearing her contacts. Anyway, that would explain his lack of reaction to Jerry's comments in the hospital.
-- I wholeheartedly agree. It's not as simple as some people might think to just "take it out." I also think that we will see this thread reappear- it seems that more and more the Seinfeld folks like to have these seemingly unconnected happenings all come together. It was fun the first couple times, but if it's predictable, then it's no good.
-- To the woman who posted about men having no idea that this was going on- I would ask- how many times have _you_ been with a guy (non-perv, presumably) who just whipped it out in the most rediculous time and place. As one of the other posts noticed- most guys would realize that the moment when the woman is about to leave is the most delicate time- the time to woo her with complimenst 'n' stuff; _not_ the time to start whipping out body parts.
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A better explanation would be that he happened to be someone who simply didn't see how what he did was related to the woman's actions in the hospital. It's like a friend who hates people borrowing his stuff, but constantly swipes things that belong to other people. TV shows quite often show people being hypocritical.