Fans react emotionally to the finale, defending Seinfeld against critics and comparing it favorably to other classic shows while lamenting the end of new episodes.
I am sure Jerry visited this forum as one of his sources to gauge public mood. I hope his critics BURN IN HELL!!
I am not sure why people are comparing Mash and the MTM show to Seinfeld. Those shows were pure crap compared to Seinfeld.
Life will be different without new episodes. Oh well!
SS
I did like the many episodes of Mash. That was some quality entertainment for it's time, so I won't bad mouth that show, but come on MTM was never in the same league with Seinfeld.
Seinfeld will surely go into the record books of entertainment as a very very successful show, that many shows on today try to duplicate in some form. Of course they can never pull it off, and you can always tell that they are copy cats, trying to catch a ride on the train to successville.
The critics have had little to do with the success or demise of the show. I'm sure it was a mutually agreed upon decision, that it was time for something new. I just hope that the network can replace it was sometime besides the garbage that spews from set without Seinfeld.
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Gotta disagree here. The MTM show was another very well written show with another great cast. That fact that it produced at least three (or more?) spinoffs (Lou Grant, Rhoda and Phyllis spring to mind) should attest to that. Otherwise I have to agree with your Seinfeld comments. It was (is) one of the greatest of all time!
TW
Very few Seinfeld fans would agree that MASH and MTM are "crap". I don't even like MASH but I acknowledge its quality.
all things must pass. We adjusted without Cheers... -C
I was only able to adjust without Cheers because of Frasier.
This show at the end got really BAD. So did MASH. When it ended I missed it but when i see reruns of the later shows i turn them off.
Recordhead wrote:
As one of the F----- critics, I want to say I'm delighted. If Jerry reads the ng and made his decision partially based on it, thanks for reading--and what took you so long?
Jerry did what just I thought he should do--kill the show before it started becoming a weak parody of itself. He thought that time had come this year; I thought that time had come at the end of season seven (I would have sacrificed "The Fatigues" if we never had to suffer the indignity of "The Chicken Roaster", "The Little Jerry," "The Money", "The Van Buren Boys" or ANYTHING this season, especially "The Betrayal.")
I wouldn't have watched a lame rip-off of the best Seinfeld seasons, so I haven't watched the last three shows. If all of you can accept the steady slide in quality since Larry David's departure, fine, if you're that easily entertained. I couldn't stand for it. For all of you who are going to be looking at a blank screen and weeping Thursdays, all I can say is I pity you.
Thanks for the laughs, Jer. Enjoy your retirement.
Wofchamp wrote:
I have a couple of questions for you Larry David worshippers:
1) Why is that Jerry gets absolutely no respect for the creation and writing in the first six seasons? He was just as much a part of the writing and producing team, and it was in fact his acting that was his one weak spot. The success of shows like The Outing (my favourite), The Contest, The Bubble Boy and The Boyfriend were in large part thanks to Jerry.
2) Why is it that Larry David gets off the hook for all of Seinfeld's bad episodes (and yes, there were some). Specifically, The Heart Attack. What the hell was that? Don't give me the "at least I laughed for the scene where Jerry attacks George" routine. I mean, face it, this episode SUCKED. The holistic healer was not funny, Jerry's jokes were very predictable, and the ending was badly screwed. In fact, a lot of the first and second season's episodes were very weak. At the beginning of syndication, I found myself struggling to keep watching.
And let's face it: the very first episode (Seinfeld Chronicles) was very bad. Even Jerry admits the audience reaction was mediocre at best. Guess who produced all of the first two seasons of Seinfeld? Yep, that creative, comedic genious himself, Larry David.
You people realize there are other writers on the show right? Carol Leifer managed to give us some of the best Elaine plots ever in the sixth season. And the whole staff is responsible for both the success and the supposed "decline" of Seinfeld.
Has the quality of episodes gone down? The Chicken Roaster, The Yadda Yadda, The Bizarro Jerry and others have proven the answer is no.
Milan Gokhale
Seems to me that nobody ever has anything good to say about "The Heart Attack". Whenever an example of a bad episode comes up, it's always "The Heart Attack". Well, guess what? IMO, it was one of the better ones. George's hypochondria blooms beautifully. Thought he had a heart attack because he watched "Coronary Country" on cable TV. Then, "Lupus? Is it Lupus??"
The 'holistic healer' scene was some of Jerry's sarcastic best. "You're not a doctor, but you play one in real life." and "Cramp bark? I once had cramp bark as a child, I was able to lift a car!" (trying to quote from memory, cut me slack) Tor's diatribe on the state of the health care system rivals Mr. Bookman's tirade in "The Library" and seeing George under the pyramid drinking tea was one of the best images I can ever recall seeing. George's, "I'm a mutant!" and "I'm an eggplant!" during the ambulance ride was drop-dead hysterical. And the 'Chuckles' argument between the paramedics was a perfect ending. "I don't eat that gooey crap!"
This should please you. "The Heart Attack" is one of my all time favorites along with another 2nd season episode, "The Revenge".
Jeff
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episodes (and yes, there were some). Specifically, The Heart Attack.
The Bizarro Jerry and others have proven the answer is no.
The Yada Yada was above average the low standard set by the eighth season, but far from the classic that NBC hawked it as. Ditto the Bizarro Jerry, which I enjoyed more. However, The Chicken Roaster (written by Alec Berg and Jeff Schaefer) was an absolute disaster.
Some of the weakest plots revolve around Jerry's old and/or unknown friends (Male Unbonding [written by David] and The Pool Guy were others), and this guy who blew off a big meeting to hang with Jerry was a total loser from out of nowhere. This show was loaded with other bad ideas---George's "Co-stan-za!" jingle and inexplicable theft of a clock, "Mr. Marbles," and the lamest ending in the history of the show. Remember? Jerry shakes the rain off the rat hat, it flies all over the place, and seconds later---THE RESTAURANT CLOSES??? WHAT???
Larry David was by no means the second coming of Neil Simon (I could have done without the entire "Crazy Joe Davola" arc), but face it--the show has sunk like a rock simultaneous with his exit. Lesser talents, like ex-Simpsons writer Jennifer Crittenden, have greased the skids with slop like "The Apology", "The Millennium" and "the Little Jerry."
Also, remember this; when TV Guide made the case that Seinfeld might be the best sitcom in the history of the small screen, it cited as evidence one writer's top ten episodes. Half of the ten were written or co-written by Larry David.
In article , [email] (Wofchamp) wrote:
Half is about right. Remember half is not the majority. Half implies that the other half was written by others. He did afterall produce and create this show with his partner - Jerry Seinfeld. I am really getting tired of people talking about Larry David like he was the Lord of Seinfeld. Oh Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
Andrea
Andrea and Joshua Barol wrote:
Larry David had a hand in writing over 50 episodes of the first seven seasons; Seinfeld only got writing credit (always in tandem with David) under his own name in 17 episodes.
Seinfeld & David are the best together; Seinfeld without David doesn't make the grade. I can't tell you how David fares without Seinfeld because I never heard from him after "Fridays," before "Seinfeld", or after "Seinfeld." His work minus Jerry may be as mediocre or worse--we'd have to see something, and he has not, to my knowledge, done a thing since leaving the show.
I think of the separation of Seinfeld & David like those of Martin & Lewis, Lennon & McCartney, and Van Halen & Roth; they all have individual talents of their own, but will never match the magic they created together.
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Andrea and Joshua Barol wrote:
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[email] (Wofchamp) wrote:
> Also, remember this; when TV Guide made the case that Seinfeld might be the
> best sitcom in the history of the small screen, it cited as evidence one
> writer's top ten episodes. Half of the ten were written or co-written by Larry
> David. Half is about right. Remember half is not the majority. Half implies that
the other half was written by others. He did afterall produce and create
this show with his partner - Jerry Seinfeld. I am really getting tired of
people talking about Larry David like he was the Lord of Seinfeld. Oh
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. Andrea
Larry David had a hand in writing over 50 episodes of the first seven seasons; Seinfeld only got writing credit (always in tandem with David) under his own name in 17 episodes.
Seinfeld & David are the best together; Seinfeld without David doesn't make the grade. I can't tell you how David fares without Seinfeld because I never heard from him after "Fridays," before "Seinfeld", or after "Seinfeld." His work minus Jerry may be as mediocre or worse--we'd have to see something, and he has not, to my knowledge, done a thing since leaving the show.I think of the separation of Seinfeld & David like those of Martin & Lewis, Lennon & McCartney, and Van Halen & Roth; they all have individual talents of their own, but will never match the magic they created together.
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*This has the makings of a "can you top this" thread!! How can you cite broken-up pairs w/o *mentioning Sonny & Cher??? homerr.
Earlier, I think it was David Campbell who wrote
seven seasons; Seinfeld only got writing credit (always in tandem with = David) under his own name in 17 episodes.=20
doesn't make the grade. I can't tell you how David fares without = Seinfeld because I never heard from him after "Fridays," before = "Seinfeld", or after "Seinfeld." His work minus Jerry may be as mediocre = or worse--we'd have to see something, and he has not, to my knowledge, = done a thing since leaving the show.=20
I think you make a valid point...when it comes to Seinfeld. Look the show has reached the end of its run. Whether this would have happened if David were still an active part, no one can say...
I did read last week, for the most part, *Jerry* and *Larry David* made big writing changes to *every script*....Most or all were rewritten by them. I don't think anyone can judge who [Seinfeld or David] was making a bigger and funnier contribution by the number of shows their names actually appeared in the writer credits. BTW, a movie is coming out by David sometime early this year.
why did larry david leave the show? and the only difference since his departure is that jerry has more work. Still as funny. who agrees?
After 7 seasons,he was burned out and wanted a break. I dont think the show is as consistently funny as before.In my neck of the woods,the reruns are currently of the 92-93 season...Kramer in LA,Bubble Boy,Master of my Domain,the Virgin,etc.It doesnt get any better...The best TV episodes of all time. (opinion,of course)
Van Halen & Roth in the same paragraph (chapter, book, metaconcept) as Lennon & McCartney? Puh-leeze
Either you're not too bright, or you're trolling. George stealing the clock was 'inexplicable'. Let me 'splic' it for you. He thought she knew he left the hat and refused to give it back, so he stole the clock as a way to get back at her and later to swap with the hat when they met in the park.
Boy, was that a BITCH to understand, huh?
You're right. Flying rat fur all over a restaurant. The Health Department doesn't mind a little rodent fur in their food, right?? Sheesh.
So you didn't care for one of the most creative secondary characters ever written?
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Hey, wise guy, check your Webster's.
Of course! That makes perfect sense."I want my little alarm clock back; after all, I can't get another one at Wal-Mart for ten bucks. Meet me in Central Park in the dead of night, and I'll make a trade for a hat supposedly worth five grand."
'Scuse me--did I miss a health inspector character on the premises at the time who would shut the place down within seconds? Also: Is it your understanding, Ratboy, that rat fur spread all over a restaurant by a customer is a reason to close the place for good? If so, maybe youth gangs should use that as a protection racket scheme; "pay the 'insurance', or we'll break your windows AND throw rodent fur all over!
I do care for creative secondary characters. I loved Babu, Mr. Pitt, Kenny (Tom Arnold) Bania, and Jackie (Johnnie Cockroach...uh...Cochran) Chiles. I used to love Puddy, but he's wearing really thin now. Crazy Joe (the character) didn't do anything for me, even though the shows with plots about him weren't awful--there was just never a payoff for all the terror that he instilled in the foursome. His climactic moment in the "Pilot" ep was...well, anti-climactic.
You did read it, though. HA, HA! Made you look! :)
In , David Campbell writes:
Huh? You mean dictionary? Nothing misspelled here. (If you need the 'splic' part explained to you, send me e-mail. No need to clutter the group any further.)
I know some of the episodes can be difficult to figure out. Stay with me. George leaves the hat (did he know the cost when he left the hat?) as the girl's house so he has an excuse to go back. He then finds out how expensive it is, and asks for it back. She doesn't have it. Elaine drags George over to get the hat (her ass is on the line remember? She bought it on Peterman's account.) The girlfriend still denies having the hat, George (in his wisdom) decides to make off with something of hers to 'even the score' and maybe gain some leverage. Typical George. So he grabs the clock. A cheap $10 clock? Maybe. A priceless family heirloom? Maybe. We're never told how important the clock is. It looked fairly expensive to me. So the girl tells George they need to talk "if he has the time". At this point, if you listen closely, you can hear George's brain gears spinning. "has the time". It's no great logical leap (given George's personality) to assume this was a coded message. OK. She wants a 'Rainbow Bridge' style swap, that's fine. He shows up at the part with the clock in a bag, (BTW, where did you get 'dead of night'? It happened in broad daylight.) realizes she doesn't have the hat, then the alarm goes off and...
Interestingly enough, things happen that we don't get to see. Otherwise it would have to be a 24 hour show, and it would have to air every day, right? "Seconds later" was probably a day or two later, after the Health Department was flooded with calls about the restaurant that had rat hair flying all over it. (Did you see how much came off? Did you see it whipping around in the air due to the ceiling fan? Did you watch this episode? Jerry even said something prophetic like "That can't be good for business."
Also: Is it your understanding, Ratboy, that rat fur
Cute. And maybe there have been other complaints, but the camera in the
restaurant wasn't turned on at the time, so we never got to see them?
The point is, we don't know. THAT's my understanding, thank you.
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Who are you to say what's crap? Seinfeld, IMHO, has coasted for the last few years after developing a cult following. Nothing has really pushed the envelope of late.