Questionn on spin-offs

I'm sure this has been covered hundreds if not thousands of times, but I remember hearing things about a Kramer show and things about a 1 year special or something to that effect. Neither seems to be materializing so I figured i'd ask. I know Jackie is getting a show, but are there any plans for anything else?

I personally hope not. As far as I can tell, from other shows in the past, reunions and many times spin-offs can ruin the whole legacy of the original. Why can't we just leave it the way it is, and bask in the syndicated reruns of the classics...

And since they decided ti do a spin-off, I'm glad they went with Jackie Chiles. The only way Seinfeld could have a spin-off was by taking a minor character and doing it. Had they taken one of our four characters, or five if you count Newman, that would never work. It was together that the show worked, not apart...

Speaking of spin-offs, here's one they could try...Bania. Remember in "The Butter Shave," NBC execs were talking to him about maybe getting his own show...it could be interesting to give it a try anyway...

i always thought putty should get his own show. i always thought he was one of the funnier recurring characters.

and about spin-offs, well for the most part i agree with you that they ruin the legacy of the original, but there are exceptions, most notably, Frasier.

my .02 mike

Puddy with his own show..... it could work.. after all at the end of "The Finale" Elaine says "Don't wait for me.." and he agrees.. maybe it could work... I thought Puddy was a great character... I liked his stupidity... it was admirable stupidity... in a way... but yeah for the most part spin-offs don't work...

All in the Family (to the best of my recolection) has the most spin-offs than any other show, and although many aren't all the memorable, All in the Family doesn't have a tarnished reputation. On the idea that a spin-off with the 4, or 5 main characters wouldnt' work, i wholeheartedly disagree. It could work, but it would just be far too odd. Jackie is a good choice, but i think Bania would be even better.

I think it might be Happy Days with the most spinoffs.

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I don't know of that many Happy Days spin-offs. I can only think of Joanie Loves Chachie. Can you clue me in on some of the others?

L. King wrote: <<<<<I don't know of that many Happy Days spin-offs. I can only think of Joanie Loves Chachie. Can you clue me in on some of the others? >>>>>

Laverne and Shirley. Mork and Mindy.

Actually, Happy Days was itself a spin-off of an episode of Love American Style. (It was not based on/inspired by "American Graffiti.")

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In article , [email] (art vandelay) wrote:

It was?????????? I NEVER knew that. Could you give a brief explanation of how that came about?

Mike

Happy Days was itself a spin-off of an episode of Love American Style.

Mike responded: <<<<It was?????????? I NEVER knew that. Could you give a brief explanation of how that came about? >>>>

For those who are too young to remember, "Love American Style" was an anthology half-hour comedy. It was usually made up of two or three filmed sketches (along with quick one-joke skits before and after the commercial breaks). It had different actors every week (usually TV stars), and the sketches were all titled "Love and _______."

I don't remember what the "Happy Days" sketch was called, but Ron Howard played Richie Cunningham and Harold Gould (probably best known as Rhoda's father on Mary Tyler Moore/Rhoda) played Howard. I distinctly remember a father-son talk they had in Richie's room...they were playing "sock basketball"....tossing balled-up pairs of socks into an open dresser drawer from across the room. (funny what sticks in one's mind, isn't it?)

I know I've seen this episode rerun on Nick at Nite in the past few years. Keep your eyes on N@N or TVLand...I'm sure it'll turn up again.

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In article , [email] (art vandelay) wrote:

Thanks for the info. I used to watch the show but I guess I was too young to realize the connection.

Mike

All in the Family had the Jeffersons, Maude, Archie's Place and some more i think, anyway, my whole point in the first place was that look at both of these shows, did having a bunch of spin offs tarnish how people look at them? i don't think so, in fact they are respected a little more probably.

First off, I wouldn't count Archie's Place because it was technically not a spinoff, just a reflection that the show no longer contained any "family" members.

Second, it depends on the spinoff as to whether it tarnishes the show. Gloria has tarnished All in the Family for me because her character was too different from the original show. She even took to refering to Mike Stavic as meathead, as if to say that daddy was right all the time. Incidently, Carroll O'Connor refused to have anything to do with Gloria because he didn't like how the show was done.

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"Love and the Happy Days". There was a special on secrets behind TV shows where Garry Marshall was interviewed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this episode also had Chuck in it. One of the few episodes that had Chuck. Now there's a spinoff off for you, "Where's Chucky?"

So, how many spinoffs came from Love American Style.

Oh, I just remember another set. Andy Griffith Show, Mayberry RFD, and Gomer Pyle. Seems like there shoud be more, but I can't recall.

Jeffersons, Gloria, and Maude. It seems like more, but I can't think of any.

Mork, Laverne and Shirley, and Joannie Loves Chachi. To the best of my recall.

Ok. Everybody take a seat. This may make you dizzy.

The three you mentioned, I will deal with. But first, let me mention "All in the Family" (1971).

And the obvious "Archie Bunker's Place" (1979).

And a *horrible* spin-off called "704 Hauser" (1994). An African-American family moves into the Bunkers' old house. Conservative parents with an ultra-liberal son who likes Rush Limbaugh and dates a Jewish girl. A laugh riot, right? Only 6 episodes were made. 6 too many. What makes this ill-fated spinoff worth noting, was the fact that the father was played by John Amos, James Evans from "Good Times".

Now, "Good Times" (1974) was spunoff from "Maude" (1972) which was spunoff from "All in the Family" (1971), so sitcom worlds were colliding. The guy who played the husband of the maid of the cousin of the wife of Archie Bunker ended up playing the guy who moved into Archie's house years later?

Now, "The Jeffersons" (1975), which was an "All in the Family" (1971) spinoff, spunoff two of its own; "Checking In" ((1981) Florence goes from maid to hotel manager), and "E/R" ((1984) I'm not sure how, but it's listed as such in the IMDB), and a certain Jason Alexander, who played Harold Stickley on "E/R" (1984), five years later, became George Costanza. Worlds collide again.

Screw that Kevin Bacon game, this is the real deal.

"Happy Days" (1974), itself, was a spinoff from a segment on "Love, American Style" ((1969) which first spunoff "Wait Till Your Father Gets Home" ((1972) an animated show about a conservative father with two ultra-liberal children, and a wife who refused to take sides) and "New Love, American Style" (1986). Worth noting is that Fox's "The Family Guy" (1999) is a blatant retread of "WTYFGH", the characterization is nearly identical, if based on 27 year old ideals, and even the animation is similar. But it's not a spinoff, so it doesn't count.

"Laverne and Shirley" (1976) begat "Blansky's Beauties" ((1977) starring Scott Baio) and "The Other Sister" ((1999) a motion picture, directed by "Laverne and Shirley" director/producer, Garry Marshall.)

"Happy Days" (1974) also spunoff "Mork and Mindy" (1978), which itself spunoff "The Mork & Mindy/Laverne & Shirley/Fonz Hour" ((1982) I wish I was making this up, it was a Hanna-Barbera cartoon with voice work from the real actors), "Out of the Blue" ((1979) with a character named Aunt Marion (Although played by Dixie Carter, and not Marion Ross, this was still a spinoff)) and "Joannie Loves Chachi" (1982).

So the final score is:

Happy Days          11
All in the Family    9

Sorry Lizard King. :)

Now that that's settled.

Anyone wanna tackle Mary Tyler Moore/Lou Grant/Rhoda/Phyllis?

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I think I watched that show. It didn't last very long, did it?

You forgot to mention that Tom Bosley was the voice of the father. At about the same time he also hosted a one hour radio show that ran on A.M. stations. Both shows, at least in my city, aired at seven on Saturdays.

Now that one I didn't know. Rather shocking when one considers how all three shows were beyond on their last legs. So much for mercy killings. Kind of like the Brady Bunch Variety Hour, huh!

I wish I

"Now i know and knowings half the battle..." G.I. Joe "...and I would have gotten away with it to if it wasn't for you meddling kids" Scooby Doo "who ya gonna call...." Ghostbusters

Let's compare...

All In Th Family, in direct spin-offs, had "Maude," "The Jeffersons," and "Gloria." Now it also had "Archie Bunker's Place," which could either be considered a spin-off or a follow-up series, since it took over where AITF left off...Then to add to the AITF family (no pun intended), "Good Times" spun off from Maude, and "Checking Inn" was the short-lived spin-off from The Jeffersons. And another limb to the family, "704 Hauser (street)" was in a way a spin-off...sure, none of the characters from AITF were in it, but the house was, and in a way the Bunker's house was as much a character as Mike Stivic was...

Now down to Happy Days...

First off, the obvious ones "Laverne and Shirley," "Joannie Loves Chachi," "Mork And Mindy," and finally "Out Of The Blue" about an angel who once appeared on the show to do something (Chachi relatd I think)...

That's the family for Happy Days I believe...none of those shows spun-off anything themselves...so basically the victor is "All In The Family," hands down...

Another show with pleanty of spin-offs was The Mary Tyler Moore Show...that gave way to "Rhoda," "Phyllis," and "Lou Grant"...

Sanford and Son gave way to "Grady," "Sanford," and "The Sanford Arms"...

I think Mary Tyler Moore has as many spinoffs. Phyliss, Rhoda, and Lou Grant, off the top of my head. The interesting thing about the Lou Grant spinoff is that the tone changed from comedic bum to serious, concientious reporter.

I don't know which spun off of what, but I know the Beverly Hillibilies, Pettycoat Junction, and Green Acres are from the same source.

I believe Happy Days spun off three shows if you count Joannie Loves Chachi.

I think if the spinoff from Seinfeld distances itself enough, as did Frazier, then it would not necassarily tarnish Seinfeld. The thing to rememmber is that Frazier was only a minor character, as is Jackie. So it is more disconnected. Now if they tried to spinoff Kramer, it could tarnish Seinfeld somewhat.

Jess Carey writes:

They may be from the same source, ie., producer, director, writer but Green Acres is not a spin off in the conventional sense. It shared no characters, or plot line - unless you consider ruscticity a plot line.

And I think CBS abolished all of these at once when they decide to go 'upscale'. What a moronic decision.

You're forgetting about Sam Drucker. He was in all three shows, but normally on Green Acres.

Joemovie wrote in message ...

original.

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Benson from "the Soap" ? Frasier and "Cheers ?"

Chiles.

character

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How do you know that ? Seen something I haven t seen ?

I am still voting for Cosmo & Newman-show. Especially during the last season Kramer started more and more have a life of his own, of which the others got some glimpses every now and then. And the same goes foe Newman. Of course the surroundings should be totally different, but I see no reason whatsoever why that dynamic duo couldn t make it.

Mark my words, after a couple of more movieroles like these - they will do the show...

Petri

Okay, so there are a few successful spin-offs out there, but for every successful one, there's a stinker...Frasier from Cheers was good...The Tortellis from Cheers was bad...

Hello...that was the fact of the show...none of these characters could hold their own show, they all needed each other to make good...if they were all able to be on their own shows, then Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David could have just started out with four different series...Plus I happen to find Kramer (and Newman) as the weak-links in Seinfeld. Kramer could easily get on my nerves, and Newman, while he was funny, would be lost on a show where Jerry wasn't his adversary...

They can go ahead and make "Cosmo and Newman," and I can admit I'd watch...but I asure you, no good will come from a series about them...

So true!

What about one with Jerry and George's parents in La Boca Vista with Kramer and Newman as minor walk on characters? I thought of this because of your statement about Newman needing a nemisis and remember the scene where Jerry's mom "Hello Newman" the same way Jerry does. Or would that be too much like "The Roper's?"

Far too Ropery...Though it could possibly work...if you pay attention to the complex (La Boca Vista was it?) and not just the two characters known as Jerry's parents...

And there are two more proofs that spin-offs can be bad for the heart...from Three's Company we got The Ropers and Three's A Crowd...if those don't consist for hell spawn, I don't know what does...

But Three's Company was utter crap to begin with.

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Even so...

I figured it was like a pedigree. If the parent show was subpar, there's no reason to expect the spinoff to be any better.

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Well now that's not true...after all, if you're looking at it in that sense, then spin-offs from good shows should become good shows themselves. Sure, there are some cases of this (Frasier from Cheers being the most obvious). Of course on that same note, I at the moment cannot think of one bad show which had a good spin-off...

Not necessarily. I know people who hated Soap, but loved Benson.

And here's a person who loves Soap (loves!) and is yet to see Benson...

Joemovie wrote in message ...

So I guess that means you've never seen Jerry Seinfeld in his first (and only other?) regular TV role.

--JKB

You guess correct....

I also know someone who loves soap....yet refuses to use it

In article , [email] (Jason Barber) wrote:

Jerry Seinfeld was in Benson? I don't remember that. Who did he play?

Ollie

Oliver Broadway wrote in message ...

He played the role of "Frankie", a young intern-type guy who hung around the governor's mansion writing jokes. His performance wasn't all that impressive, and he only lasted about 4 episodes. You might want to check out what www.imdb.com has to say about his role on the show.

--JKB

isn't it "Del Boca Vista?"... I'm just glad you didn't call it "La Vida Loca"........

"Living Del Boca Vista".

Hey, Wierd Al?  This one's free.
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